Talk:Escalona Elementary School

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I've attempted to redirect this article to the school district article as is the norm for non-notable elementary schools (per WP:WPSCH/AG). I see no claim to notability except possibly the California Business for Education Excellence Honor Roll Award. That award does not seem like enough to show notability to me. More than 2000 schools in California get the award, and Escalon is just one of eight schools in the same district. Meters (talk) 05:00, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The API score of 907 is good, but again seems to me to not be enough to make the school notable. shows that this score is in the 8th decile. Meters (talk) 05:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

I only wish to prevent redirection of this page as it was created very recently and has not been given a ''Fair chance. I have no particularly extraordinary knowledge of this Elementary school, but have an extraordinary wealth of knowledge regarding the district and its other schools. I wish to give the editor/publisher a fair chance to prove the possibility of this page being noteworthy. I believe that through continued editing, revision, and expansion this page might be noteworthy. If we both check back in a month the page might meet the noteworthy guidelines, if not we can go straight into a redirect to the Norwalk-La Mirada Unified School District

Please consider my ultimatum regarding this page and its fate, STJMLCC (talk) 14:38, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You have not addressed my concerns that the school itself is not notable. If the school is notable but the article does not demonstrate that, then the page can be fixed, but if the school is not notable, then no length of time will produce an acceptable article.


 * You reviewed this article 3 minutes after if was created . Please explain how you considered the article at that time to not only be an acceptable article, but to be a "Good Job" as you posted on the creator's talk page. To me that version was a completely unrefererenced blurb about an elementary school; it was full of WP:peacock terms such as "high student achievement", "active parents", "long standing reputation", "high levels of learning", and "remarkable learning environment"; most of the article was a copyright violation as a verbatim copy or close paraphrasing of the school's webpage ; and it made no claims to notability.


 * It has been noted by another editor that you have a WP:COI with another school in the same district based on your talk page post here and I suspect from what you posted above that you have a COI with this entire school district. Meters (talk) 23:24, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

If you had read further, you would have noticed that those assumptions were false and that Eman235 resolved the issues through a COLLABORATION not an ARGUMENT. You are attempting to hold Predjudice and enforce that. I have NO COI regarding this district, but I do however have a COI when someone is just attempting to force his OWN beliefs upon others. TNTdonut may be able to prove himslef yet if you only give him a chance, he is a NEW editor. The main reason I sent him a message saying "Good Job" is to praise him for joining Wikipedia and to encourage him to stay on the site, your motives are going to drive TNTdonut away. Once again asking you to reconsider, STJMLCC (talk) 23:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Honestly Meters, I don't understand why you are dragging this argument on. The school is notable and has received numerous awards and has high ratings. If someone wanted to learn more about a specific school, they should be able to learn all there is to know from one source - Wikipedia. I joined Wikipedia on November 18, 2014, and I am not liking how people like you get up on new people like me. You are violating a Wikipedia rule(Don't bite the newcomers) and you are driving me away instead of supporting me and letting me grow. I spent a good three hours editing and creating this article, and it is my first one. Not to mention that you basically deleted all my hard work within an hour of it's creation. In case you failed to notice, the 'under reconstruction' tag is STILL there! I agree with STJMLCC completely that you are not making the proper decision of action. ಠ_ಠ @TNTdonut (talk) 23:55, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * STJMLCC, I think you are misinterpreting things on Hutchinson Middle School. The tag on the article is "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject" That's a COI tag and it appears to be well justified based on your posting "I created the page in collaboration with the principal and the dean of students as we decided that this school needs to get a better online representation."
 * COI or not, neither you or TNTdonut have produced any evidence to show Escalona Elementary School is notable. My WP:AGF is used up. Please show the notability of this school or I will ask to have it redirected again.
 * TNTdonut, I'm not trying to chase you away. The article never should have been approved, and I'm simply following the normal procedure for such articles. It does not appear to me to be a notable school. Meters (talk) 00:12, 21 November 2014 (UTC).

Well, you are chasing me away, and instead of doing this, you should be helping me. Instead of helping me fix the 'WP:PEACOCK' terms, you proceeded to complain about them instead. You are not supporting me and instead bringing my hard worked article down and lowering my self esteem. Not only that, but I provided award information that supported the 'peacock' information. ಠ_ಠ @TNTdonut (talk) 00:16, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to break it to you bud, but you have not shown any evidence that the page is not notable as well. I do not see a BIASED opinion as valid evidence for a page to be redirected. I dislike such retched arguments but demand a solution that is niether biased or forced. I believe that this school is as notable as any other school, if you wish to discuss notability we should scrutinize every school nationwide. I am certain that there are plenty of other Elementary Schools that are not notable.

Still hoping for a Proper solution, STJMLCC (talk) 00:18, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry to break it to you bud, but you have not shown any evidence that the page is not notable as well. Please note that it is the responsibility of the person or persons who add material to Wikipedia to prove that said material meets Wikipedia's requirements (like WP:N) when challenged to do so. Countering with "but you haven't proven it is not notable" is not constructive.
 * For reference, the notability requirements for schools are detailed in WP:ORG. Looking over those, I have to agree with that the subject of this article doesn't appear to be notable. Specifically, there appears to be no substantial coverage in independent sources.
 * I would also like to point out that labelling an article as "Under construction" or "Work in progress" does not exempt it from scrutiny. If the article cannot be made to meet Wikipedia's requirements within a single user session, it is advisable to work on it in one's userspace instead and only create the article when the content is of sufficient quality. Indrek (talk) 08:22, 21 November 2014 (UTC)