Talk:Escort agency/Archive 1

Companionship
Hi, An editor has proposed that escor agencies help men meet women for "companionship". you know, dinner together, conversation...Um, I don't think so. Glance through the back pages of a big city newspaper in North America, and you will see escort ads saying "Sexxxy ladies, eager to please, big-busted, want to give you a good time. All ages, all types", or "Satisfy your urges with Lexxtasy, 44-26-36".... I don't think that they are selling dinnertime chat over Chianti at the Ritz Carleton. The evidence in newspaper ads suggests that escort agencies offer sex worker services. I have seen newspaper articles showing that a tiny minority of escort agencies offer non-sexual "dinner and date" services. Fine, but that should be characterized as the exception, not the rule. If an editor has sources showing that most escort agencies offer "companionship", please provide it.... ThanksM.O. (talk) 00:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * IMO, it is important to retain a separate article that explains what an escort service is. At Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard there was discussion about a person who was publicly identified as an "escort," but not as a "prostitute". In order to be able to describe such a person accurately, it is necessary to preserve the distinction between "escorts" and "call girls". --Orlady (talk) 22:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, the escort business is a growing multi million dollar per year enterprise and is not related at all to companionship. I am currently doing an article for a Men's Magazine on Escorts in Mexico, Escort Services, Escort Agencies, Independent Escorts as well as Incall and Outcall Services.  This article needs to be expanded and not combined with something else... IMHO Scubakevin (talk) 19:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Neologism alert on "buyout"
The section begins

Some escort services offer a buyout provision if a customer wishes to date an escort privately.

The use of "some" sounds like a weasel word. The lack of any other reference to "buyout" in the context of an escort agency strongly suggests neologism. Near as I can tell, the only use of the phrase is this particular incident.

I'll also comment that this whole situation seems to be a classic example of notability asymmetry. All the escort agency stuff at Wikipedia should not be decorated with the political remains of random politicians (he isn't the first and certainly won't be the last). Instead the governor's article can be festooned with references to escort agencies. mdf (talk) 02:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

During our research we have NOT encountered such a thing as "buyout" for escorts to see clients privately. Obviously unless the escort lives on the premises of the agency and their entry and exits are controlled by the agency there is no way to control that. However, in Mexico in particular if you go into a brothel where girls dance or wait tables and also second as prostitutes you have to pay the "HOUSE" a fee to take the girl off the premises to a hotel, this is especially true in the cases where the brothel has rooms set up for the exclusive purpose of having sex with the employees and you don't want to use it for whatever reason, security or sanitary reasons. But many of the girls have commented that they may pick one of the patrons to go home with at the end of their shift or close of business and the house collects nothing. So Buyout? Nope, there is no BuyOut provision as mentioned that we have found in Mexico, US or any of the European cities we visited and interviewed girls. Scubakevin (talk)

Unintentional (?) Dry Humour
The fragment "The arm's length relationship between the escort and the escort agency" on the main page may be a bit tongue-in-cheek (facial cheek I trust). For sanitary reasons an arms-length might well be maintained literally, not just metaphorically. Carrionluggage (talk) 07:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Adding a reference to the original source at the end of the Wikipedia entry
I'm from a corporate background at senior management level but a couple of years ago I got involved in the adult industry. I started an up market escort agency because I realised that it was far from the sleazy industry that I had believed from the outside - at least at the level that I'm involved. One of the biggest problems we have come across is fake agencies who have ripped off naive & desperate people. Recently a group of us decided to do something about this and started a new website http://www.escortagencyjobs.com which is actually designed mainly as a resource for new escorts trying to get into the industry. We should rank highly with Google eventually and hopefully get to wannabe escorts before the scammers do! Or just start your own escort service with LenexaHefener.com I have added a section to this Wikipedia article to further expose these con artists and prevent more people being ripped off. I want to add a reference to the original source material to the bottom of the Wikipedia article but as I'm new to this (actually my first post of many I hope) I don't know how! can anyone help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hagis69 (talk • contribs) 01:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

reliable sources
Hey, I just want to thank Mattingbgn and Euryalus who responded to my messages to them about this article and have (now) made me feel welcome as a new contributor. The great thing is we all have the same goal about making Wikipedia a more valuable resource and I'll do my best with regard to that. As a newcomer I am just beginning to understand the rules about "reliable sources" and can see the logic although it does seem overly restrictive. I have quoted 2 sources which may not qualify as "reliable sources" according to Wikipedia guidelines so in the coming days I'll do my best to edit my contribution and make it stronger. In the meantime all I can say is that I very sincerely believe that the contribution I have made is accurate, important and relevant. Much of the rest of the article is rather inane and probably not particularly useful or informative but therein lies the irony that this is what makes it easier to verify! Having said that the whole entry lacks any strong citations so my challenge over the coming days is to make not just my contribution stronger but try and improve the whole entry!

Hagis69 (talk) 06:52, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Social Analytical View?
Any chance this article could be updated to include analysis of maybe economic discrimination in matters of sexuality? Or at least a link to an article that does discuss it?

Additionally, the line "more problematic street prostitution" has no explanation or source. Someone with the information should add verifiable information about things like effect on crime rates, drug use, sti's, safer sex practices, etc. that actually show that street prostitution is more problematic, or take this line out. Regardless of which is more problematic (or if both are unproblematic), this information would be good to have in this article.

Wikipedia should not be the place to stump for one segment of an industry over another. As a reader, I appreciate the views of professionals who work in this industry, but this is an encyclopedia, not an industry newsletter.

Also, printed text is not the best media for sarcasm and dry humor especially in the context of an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.199.139 (talk) 23:40, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed?
There are, however, agencies that do go by these laws and do not facilitate prostitution.[citation needed]

I'm not trying to suggest that the vast majority of escort services aren't covers for prostitution, but come on. By indicating that a citation is needed here, it is suggested that the assertion that every last escort agency - every last one with no exception, all 100% of them that exist in the world - is a cover for prostitution can just be accepted without citation. This assertion is completely unknowable and not able to be proved, while only one escort agency out of millions needs to be known to conduct themselves legally for the other to be known and proved.

I suggest changing the first part of the quoted bit to "There are almost certainly, however". The whole thing is very similar to medical marijuana cooperatives in California - almost all of them do not abide by the laws, but a few of them here and there actually do. Regardless of the type of business or the "shadiness" of an industry, it's just absurd to suggest that every last establishment of the kind is operating illegally unless there is proof to the contrary. 68.8.99.245 (talk) 18:11, 31 January 2010 (UTC)