Talk:Eshu

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is the philosphizing in the last paragraph really appropriate for a wikipedia article? pauli 07:00, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Moved to here instead --stochata 18:33, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * On the other hand, when the underlying concepts of "angel" [from the Greek, "angelos" meaning "messenger"], and "angle" [from the Greek, "angkylos" bent, crooked] are wrestled with, perhaps what emerges is a God not so much malicious as informative, whether we choose to be informed of its not always kindly "Equal Opportunity God" nature or not?

Changed the word 'prototype' to 'example'. I felt, rightly or wrongly, that the word 'prototype' suggested Eshu was a primitive deity.

Checked out the 'Maltheism' article and changed it back; hadn't realised it was a specific movement rather than a general worldview.

brazilian vodun? unless we're talking about a brain of Dahomey-based haitian religion also known as voodoo that has since emigrated to cuba, the yoruba based equivolent to santeria which developed independantly in Brazil is called Candomblé, and is much, much closer to Lukumi than to Vodun. also, exu/eleggua is a phallic deity, as well, which this article doesn't mention - the more malevolent versions of Exu/Eleggua are typically called Exu, while the more benevolent ones are called Eleggua. my main concern, however, is that at the bottom Candomblé seems to be refered to as 'Brazilian Vodun', which it is not. I'm aware of some hatian/dahomey sects that have since migrated to cuba, and my mentor is of the Ketu nation of Candomblé, so I can't speak as much to the Cuban tradition, but unless this is refering specifically to non-yoruba based traditions that are new to brazil, then that should be changed to Candomblé. If it IS referring to such sects, they would be minorities. Candomblé was much more widespread than Santeria until the recent diasphora to america, (there's not a comparably large exodus of Brazilian practitioners to america, so Candomble remains smaller than Santeria in america, though the traditions have extremely similar metaphysics, though divergant ritual pratices), so if it's not been mis-named here and is instead not mentioned at all, perhaps it should be. thanks!

I'm hardly an expert on the subject and know little more than cursory information, but my understanding is that in Santeria too, Elegua acts as an intermediary between humans and the other orishas.--4.245.23.44 04:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

i don't think it is appropriate for wikipedia article,like seriously Silver baby (talk) 19:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Musical crossroads
can some1 mention in the article this deities connection with the crossroads mentioned in blues songs. I think that is very important and not well known (i didn't know it til i stumbled upon this page).Scott Free 19:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

No you may not. "The Black Man At The Crossroads" is not equal to Eshu of Yoruba traditions, nor is it equal to even Papa Legba of Vodou traditions. Instead, The devil at the crossroads mentioned in blues music and found in Hoodoo lore is more likely based on a Congo deity. The spirit has been stripped of it's worship, existing now as a granter of knowlege or skill to people who carry out the proper ritual. See Catherine Yronwodes page on Crossrads for more info. BoyintheMachine (talk) 19:56, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Eshu/Satan?
I do not know much about orisha, but I do know that Eshu does not translate as the devil, nor does his purpose and qualities. This is a general assumption with a very narrow, western attitude.

Esu serves as the mediator between the divine and the human. I think it may be safe to assume that western philosophy confuses Esu the mediator, as the embodiment of Prometheus, the greek god who stole fire from the heavens and gave it to man. Esu, is not satan or Prometheus, Esu is the keeper of ase the one with the power to make things happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldspencer (talk • contribs) 20:56, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Re: Eshu/Satan
I agree. This is a false and highly ethnocentric statement. Christians and Muslims may associate Eshu with Satan, but the Yoruba people do not. Furthermore, no proper citation is provided, and the official wikipedia policy states that all unreferenced material is subject to being removed. I am removing the Satan comment. Wmmars (talk) 07:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, in some traditions Eshu is considered seperate from Elegua, with Eshu being a cosmic Orisha of evil and chaos with elegua being a tamed-down version who helps mankind. What I'm getting at is that there are practioners who do correlate the two, so perhaps some notation needs to be made. BoyintheMachine (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

some yorubas look for eshu to get somethings which are not proper Silver baby (talk) 19:32, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Request Rewrite Of Article
The article is sloppy, combining the subject, Eshu of Yoruba religiosn, to that of similar spirits of other traditions. It is improper to suggest that all these deities are Eshu. BoyintheMachine (talk) 19:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. This is one of the most inaccurate and poorly written articles on Wikipedia. Baba Eyiogbe (talk) 04:43, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

i agree also,it sound somehow but what about the junior ones given assignment to write a list of small gods they know? Silver baby (talk) 19:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

unresolved merge discussion
Please note that there is an unresolved merge discussion regarding Ellegua. It has been retagged for discussion. If the decision is no merge, please ensure that the merge tags are removed from BOTH pages. JoshuaJohnLee talk softly, please 04:55, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

eshu
i hate the dreadful messanger,i pray it will not come close to any of us Silver baby (talk) 19:21, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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Esu
I have just added brief to the headies of the Eshu topic, the brief discribe more about the divinity eshu, his characteristic and how close he is to orunmila. i also mentioned why people think he was trickery, cross road and 2 side of a sword.

Eshu
In amharic it is find or search some thing Eshetu sheferaw (talk) 22:16, 26 October 2021 (UTC)