Talk:Esma Aydemir

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The article was tagged with Proposed deletion of Esma Aydemir, however WP:NTRACK's Athletics/track & field and long-distance running section rules under 2) that "Finished top 8 in a competition at the highest level outside of the Olympic games and world championships". I wanna know whether her 8th place at the 2011 European Cross Country Championships doesn't count for notability? CeeGee (talk) 08:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Finishing top 8 is at the senior level. Aydemir was 8th place at the junior level.  The only junior level competitions that count are IAAF World Junior Championships or Youth World Championships. Bgwhite (talk) 08:22, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Moreover, 5) states that "Has won their country's senior national championship, with the exception of those that have never been ranked in the top 40 on the IAAF world leading list at the end of a given calendar year" and she won the 1500 m race at the 2012 Turkish Teams Super and First League in Izmir, which was an IAAF accepted event for the Olympic qualication. Please recheck. CeeGee (talk) 08:32, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you provide some references. Nothing comes up on Google for me. Bgwhite (talk) 08:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Gamze Bulut and Özlem Kaya qualify for the 2012 Summer Olympics at the same event.Türkiye ATletizm Federasyonu-3000 Engellide 1 Kota Daha
 * I need a reference in which Aydemir is shown to have won the meet and was Turkey's champion. The ref above doesn't mention Aydemir, but it does mention that there were different women's classifications.  There is an Olympic rule that you have to have run the 1500 m in a certain time in order to be at the Olympics. If the event is an Olympic qualifying event and Aydemir did qualify for the Olympics, then she would be notable.  In some countries, if your time is fast enough at any event, you could qualify for the Olympics.
 * I've found were she won a 4km race in the under 23 group. But having hard time find others. Bgwhite (talk) 18:13, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The a.m. reference was given to show you that the race in İzmir, where she placed first is an IAAF listed one. The reference in the article mentions that race, however you wanted to be sure that it is an IAAF listed race. I guess the relation between the two sources clears the doubt. If not I can explain further. CeeGee (talk) 18:44, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't claim that she is qualified for the Olympics.CeeGee (talk) 18:50, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Being an IAAF race doesn't matter as that is not one of the reasons given to become notable.  I'm referring to "Has won their country's senior national championship".  I was hoping that one of the events was Turkey's championship.  I know you didn't bring up the Olympics as I brought it up. I'm just saying is if she did qualify for the Olympics, she would become notable.  She could qualify by having a certain time at any meet.  Not all countries work this way, so I'm not sure this is how Turkey sends their athletes, but it sounds like it is.  The U.S. works differently, an athlete will have to win the Olympic trials meet.  An athlete could be the fastest in the world, get injured, not win the Olympic trials meet and thus not get an Olympic spot.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:30, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * She won the 1500 m event at a major Turkish competition, which is credited by IAAF. For the 1500 m event of the Olympics, only three athletes from one nation are allowed. I don't know if her time in Izmir was good enough to pass the qualification limit for the Olympics. Even then, her time had to be better than the time of one of the three athletes, who was qualified before. CeeGee (talk) 21:54, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Again, it doesn't matter she won an IAAF event as that is not a reason for notability. If she didn't win at the Olympic qualifier, then she is not the Turkish championship.  The championship is one meet and not the best time over a season.
 * So, currently she is not going to the Olympics, is not the Turkish champion and has not been in the top 8 at a major event. Therefore, she is currently not notable. Bgwhite (talk) 22:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You miss the point! The meeting in Izmir, which she won a gold medal at, was an Olympic qualifier. Because, two athletes at other events of that meeting became Olympic candidates. Since, three athletes were already qualified in the event she run for the Olympics before, those three athletes did not start again. So, she placed first without reaching the time of her three Turkish opponents. Is there still something unclear? CeeGee (talk) 06:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

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