Talk:Esperanto/Archive 3

"Esperanto" or "Esperanto Language"?
I am moving the page back to "Esperanto" from "Esperanto language". It's my impression that articles like "English language" and "Spanish language" are done that way for disambiguation. People say that they are eating a French dish, that they are German, or that they're watching Spanish television. Hebrew needs a Hebrew language counterpart because the Bible refers to people as "Hebrews". This disambiguation is not necessary for Esperanto. --cprompt 17:16, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * It is WikiProject Languages policy that all language pages are to be on a page called XXX language, because as you note, it is necessary for disambiguation, but also for consistency. viz Esperanto culture Esperanto history Esperanto flag Esperanto film Esperanto literature Esperanto music. I'm moving it back to Esperanto language. If you disagree with the policy, discuss it on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages --Nohat 20:27, 2004 Jan 29 (UTC)
 * I'll take a step back on this one, because there is an established policy. Nearly every conlang I've seen is not suffixed with "language", take Ido for example. I will not move any more language pages to one way or the other; as long as Esperanto exists as a redirect if not the actual article.
 * --cprompt 02:42, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * I've moved the article back to Esperanto. Is common sense dead or something? Jeez. --Brion 07:10, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Brion, it's an established policy. Similar conflicts are happening at Inuktitut (vs. Inuktitut language). If you disagree with the policy, it can be discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages.--Node 22:01, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Nohat's policy is not an established policy. It is in violation of established policy. --Zundark 07:31, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is an established policy.


 * No, it is not. Creating a WikiProject page and putting ones own opinions on it does not make those opinions an established policy.


 * Just how is it in violation of established policy? Nohat is a very respectable user and I do not see Nohat as the kind of person who would violate established policy.


 * For example, Inuktitut is usually known as Inuktitut and there isn't anything else known as Inuktitut, so according to established policy it should go on the Inuktitut page. Nohat's policy says otherwise.


 * I know that I would probably've gotten into a fight with you, moving things back without a detailed discussion, but Nohat decided it was best to leave it as a non-issue for the time being and wait until a later time.


 * I don't know what you're talking about here. When I removed Nohat's policy from WikiProject Languages he put it back the very same day. You can see this in the edit history (30 Jan 2004). There was no edit war because I, not Nohat, decided it was best to leave it.


 * Also note what cpromt said.--Node 04:01, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * cprompt seems to have been misled by the fact that Nohat called his policy a "Wikipedia:WikiProject Languages policy", which gave the impression that there was some sort of consensus about it. --Zundark 08:35, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

External links; Slang and E-o in France
I created the Lernu! article (pretty much parallels the one at the Esperanto Wikipedia), but I don't know how I should link this article to it. Any ideas? --cprompt 03:11, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

Who uses the slang word luton? I spoke Esperanto as my primary language for two years and have never run into anyone who has ever used it? --Chuck SMITH 00:17, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

Given the information on Ethnologue is completely flawed and misleading (Esperanto is NOT a language of France!), I have removed that external link, and replaced it by the very informative "Update on Esperanto" by UEA. Marcoscramer 13:42, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

National/Natural/Ethnic languages
&#264;u oni diskutas en E-o pri &#265;i tiu temo?

Just made some changes - particularly that LLZ lived in Warsaw at the time he published La Unua Libro; but also, among others, a reference to "National Languages" to conform to an earlier use of the term "Natural Language" (for which a Wiki already exists).

For my own part, I prefer to use the term "Ethnic Language", because neither "national" (languages don't conform to state boundaries) nor "natural" (E-o seems just as natural to me as English, and certainly more so than an unfamiliar language) is satisfactory IMO. The trouble is that there is already a page with the title "Natural language", as referred to above. Do people see the distinction as real? Can we change the title of the "Natural language" page? --Tiffer 20:36, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Esperanto belongs to the Esperantists; Stability
Really? The reform project by Zamenhof breaks the stability. On the other hand, some say that the reforms were planned to be so outrageous to ensure a rejection from the Esperantists. That would break the "belongs to the Esperantists". -- Error 00:43, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)