Talk:Espio the Chameleon

Might not be enough...
...for a full article. It's just that what more can you really say about the character to merit encyclopedic importance?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 12:12, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been a little lazy in finding reception. There's probably more from Sonic Heroes era. Also, the Appearances section is far from complete. Tezero (talk) 14:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The reception is pretty weak, I'd say. Only the second reference really deals with his reception - the first merely mentions him, and the second is calling him fleet-footed, which is an observation, not an opinion on the character. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:51, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I deleted the reception section, at the time of reading it, nothing in there constituted as "reception", they were merely random quotations about him. They didn't supply any sort of feelings for or against him.  Sergecross73   msg me   20:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * First of all, that's not totally true. Second of all, it's about as true as it is here for almost any video game character on Wikipedia. Third of all, just removing the section is not constructive just because it's not the best type of reception (that would be "Espio is cool"/"Espio sucks" type stuff). Tezero (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Is this really needed?
Espio isn't really a major character in the Sonic story/game line. Really more of a minor recurring character. Cream doesn't even have a page, and she's a major character. IMO, this page should just be deleted. EpicVahi (talk) 19:36, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The article's stayed alive because it has critical reception and a little bit of development history info. Things like this show that the character is reasonably notable in the real world, regardless of how prominent he is in the games. For example, some editors here have provided a great article on Fawful from the Mario series, even though he only appears in three spin-offs. Tezero (talk) 22:18, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

"Critical Reception" Section
Critical Reception usually infers some sort of evaluation or opinion on the topic. A majority of what is there does not qualify as "Critical Reception". Maybe some of it could be put elsewhere, but it's not "reception". Let's review: Sergecross73  msg me   22:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * GameZone staff writer Louis Bedigian claimed that "Espio must think he's part hedgehog because he can speed boost and become invisible"
 * That's not reception, that's a writer saying what Espio does.
 * The "part hedgehog" quote seems striking enough for inclusion. Tezero (talk) 22:12, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. The reviewer isn't saying the reviewer thinks Espio is a hedgehog, the reviewer is saying the reviewer thinks Espio thinks he's a hedgehog. It doesn't express any sort of feelings/review/judgement on the writer's part, he's basically saying "Espio thinks he's fast." That's not critical reception. Sergecross73   msg me   22:22, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine. I removed it. Now, though, there are only three pieces of reception. Tezero (talk) 22:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * While playing Sonic Rivals 2 before its release, IGN writer Greg Miller compared a race between his character Tails and Espio to "[r]unning against the wind".[14]
 * That's not reception on the character Espio, it's a comment on the game's AI. And it's again, just a random statement. He's not saying he likes/dislikes this characteristic, that it's a good or bad thing. Rather, he's just basically saying he's fast. (I think.
 * I did remove that because it was weak. Tezero (talk) 22:12, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Espio has been generally well-received by critics. Sega Magazine called him "[a]nother Sonic wannabe."[13]
 * That is critical reception material, I give you that. However, being a "wannabe" is a negative trait, so stating that right after he is generally well received doesn't make sense.
 * Hence "generally". Still a valid point about flow, though, so I moved the ScrewAttack thing up. Tezero (talk) 22:15, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Staff of ScrewAttack noted his abilities to accelerate while climbing up walls and climb on ceilings as the most interesting of the Knuckles' Chaotix cast.
 * This is critical reception. You need more comments like this. I apologize if I deleted this amongst the other poor examples.

Bleach
The voice actors were added by an IP at one point, and I have confirmed them to be legit, with the following exception: an episode of Bleach. I removed that one, but where would it have come from? It would certainly establish cultural significance if it turned out that Espio made a cameo in another show, but it still sounded dubious. I'm just thinking aloud, but if anyone has any thoughts about it, reply here. Tezero (talk) 16:39, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikiprojects
So I have to wonder, since it's already been deemed inappropriate to be part of the wikiprojects for "amphibians" and for "anime"...are any of those really appropriate? I can maybe see video games, but really, he's not prominent or relevant in hardly any of those areas. Sergecross73  msg me   15:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed "Television" because it was only there due to the "Anime" project. He is at least somewhat prominent in the comics, though. About the "Japan" one, though, WP seems to have a weird thing where we add that project to any video games, characters, anything that was created by a Japanese company (examples: New Super Mario Bros., Super Nintendo Entertainment System) so I'm not the one to talk to about that. Tezero (talk) 18:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Image
Hey, since when has there been no image? It got removed or something and seems to have never existed. Tezero (talk) 00:24, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Possibly etymology
Is there any connection between his name and espion being the French for spy? (as in espionage) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.116.230 (talk) 22:39, 9 October 2011 (UTC)