Talk:Espresso martini

Short
The Espresso Martini is made with a SHORT espresso. Not a shot, a short. Short means 'small'. See also Ristretto.85.229.51.18 (talk) 20:37, 15 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Ristretto says, "Ristretto is traditionally a short shot of espresso coffee ..." Wikitionary defines "shot" as "A single serving of espresso," it's currently #11. Gzuufy (talk) 17:16, 27 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Well ... the famous Difford's Guide discusses the coffee in terms of "shot" or "ounce". https://www.diffordsguide.com/cocktails/recipe/725/espresso-martini Who says it is a SHORT?? Peter K Burian (talk) 19:30, 27 January 2017 (UTC)


 * As noted, IBA does. And this is an IBA cocktail. Now, the cocktail box template specifically notes that any IBA drinks should use the ingredients, and that would include amounts, of the IBA recipes.85.229.51.18 (talk) 21:56, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Difford's Guide says 3/4 fl oz (~22.2 mL) espresso which puts it on the same divisor as a fluid dram (1/8 fl oz or 3/4 U.S. teaspoon or ~3.69669 mL), sure enough 22.18015 mL ÷ 3.69669 mL = 6.00000 22.2 mL is about 6 fluid drams. 1 fluid dram is also known as a bartender's teaspoon.  There are 4 fl dr in a tablespoon.  Thus, 6 fl drams is 1.5 tablespoons.  Gzuufy (talk) 00:17, 28 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Famous chef Jamie Oliver also discusses shot: 1 shot (25ml) of CRU Light Roast (or other) espresso http://www.jamieoliver.com/news-and-features/features/how-to-make-espresso-martini/ Peter K Burian (talk) 19:32, 27 January 2017 (UTC)


 * shot "a traditional unit of liquid volume. The term "shot" is often used informally to mean "a small serving." In the U.S. a shot is usually the same as a jigger: 1.5 fluid ounces or 44.4 milliliters. However, some bartenders use shot glasses of other sizes such as 1.25 fluid ounces (37.0 milliliters)." 36.96 mL is very close to 10 fluid drams, while 44.37 mL is 12 fl dr. Gzuufy (talk) 00:17, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

I cannot even find a definition for a SHORT of espresso: https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=a+short+of+espresso Peter K Burian (talk) 19:36, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Try 'short espresso'. https://www.google.se/search?q=short+espresso&oq=short+espresso That is after all what is specified. Not short of espresso.85.229.51.18 (talk) 22:01, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


 * And Espresso also discusses SHOT, never SHORT.
 * Granted, the IBA web site does say SHORT. Strange. http://iba-world.com/new-era-drinks/espresso-martini/Peter K Burian (talk) 19:44, 27 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Peter K Burian, perhaps this is what it means, "The 25 seconds of infusion is the time when the flavours and aromas are poured into the cup. A too short pulling time results in a very short espresso with low volume and an acid taste. If the pull is too long, the coffee will be bitter and will mask all of the coffee flavors." Gzuufy (talk) 00:53, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

IBA website now says "1 strong espresso", neither "short" or "shot" (http://iba-world.com/new-era-drinks/espresso-martini/), and I will change the box accordingly. Laikedits (talk) 18:54, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I will also remove the "IBA" section in the article that discusses it since it is not mentioned by IBA anymore. Laikedits (talk) 18:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Difford's
Oddly enough, considering they are located in the UK, Difford's uses US fluid ounces, not Imperial. You can see that on their Measures and measuring page: "We round up 30ml to equal to 1oz (its actually 29.5735296ml)". GA-RT-22 (talk) 01:25, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Kate Moss
Kate Moss was going in to bars and asking for something that would "fuck me up" when she was no more than 15 years old? Damn! GA-RT-22 (talk) 18:07, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

The GQ source says early 1980s, at which time Kate would have been 10 and Naomi would have been 15. GA-RT-22 (talk) 00:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)