Talk:Essential Marvel

Edited past stories?
I do not know the details, but I was just in a discussion where some people were talking about how some volumes of the essentials have had small edits in order to make them more PC, or to better fit modern day continuity. The examples given were Black Panther's ESP, a power he had early on but was quickly dropped, being eliminated in the older stories, and how dialogue was altered in Luke Cage to be more politicly correct. There may be other eamples as well. Again, I don't know the details, but if someone does this is something that would warrent mention in this article. Elijya 20:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

"References" vs. "External links"
Hi, all. The reason I've changed "External links" to "References" comes from these sections of Cite_sources, quoted verbatim below. (Please note in Item 2 below that the italics are theirs, and not inserted by me.) Thanks!

1)
 * Complete citations in a "References" section


 * Complete citations, also called "references," are collected at the end of the article under a ==References== heading. Under this heading, list the comprehensive reference information as a bulleted (*) list, one bullet per reference work.

2)
 * External links/Further reading


 * The ==External links== or ==Further reading== section is placed after the references section, and offers books, articles, and links to websites related to the topic that might be of interest to the reader, but which have not been used as sources for the article. Where there is a references section, editors may prefer to call the external links section "further reading," because the references section may also contain external links, and the further reading section may contain items that are not online.

So sources used to write an article go under "References", and other helpful citations go under "External links" if they're linkable and "Further reading" if they're not online. — Tenebrae 22:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Age/Era
What is the reason for including the Age/Era of comics (Silver, Bronze)? To start with, there is no consensus on what there is after bronze and the Wolverine Essential and X-Men Essential are now beyond it. I would rather suggest that we include the actual year range covered by the volumes. --Leocomix 21:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree 100%. The eras are not universally defined and aren't as useful as the actual years would be.DrWarpMind 13:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've started doing this and will eventually get the whole list done. The best source I could find to convert issues to dates was http://www.mycomicshop.com/megastore/search.  I'm sure there's a better source out there somewhere.  DrWarpMind 15:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * www.comicbookdb.com? --DocumentN (talk) 01:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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Multiple Editions
How should the multiple editions available of each book be handled here since it affects issues collected, page counts, years and release dates? There's not enough horizontal room to list all editions and I don't think adding more rows would be good either. I'm thinking we should go with the first edition for the release date and the most recent edition for the rest. Does anybody else care? DrWarpMind 00:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to start doing this. - DrWarpMind 20:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have completed this but am not 100% sure of all information since I've seen conflicting information out there. - DrWarpMind (talk) 02:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Essential Rampaging Hulk
In reference to Drwarpmind's removal of the volume, I know Rampaging Hulk was solicited (and also available for preorder on Amazon here), but I have never actually seen a copy of it either. Amazon is pretty vague about it, and there are no used copies for sale either. I'd agree with him until further evidence is available. Any other thoughts? Snowfire51 (talk) 21:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Controversy & Comparisons
I've gone in and taken out the "Comparison to Marvel Masterworks" and "Controversy" sections. Although interesting, they seemed to be composed entirely of original research. If anybody has sources on some of that information, feel free to add it back. Snowfire51 (talk) 07:04, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that this section was a mess, but I added a small new paragraph about the Tomb of Dracula censorship with a cited source because I think it's important enough for a mention. Emanresu27 (talk) 20:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

crossovers
is it work mentioning that marvel seems to crossover issues. ie the  defenders avengers  war is  available both in   essential defenders 1  and  essential avengers 5 ? is their any other examples of this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr noire (talk • contribs) 19:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm currently reading X-Men 6 and X-Factor 1 which both contain the Mutant Massacre storyline. I don't think it really needs to be mentioned though. DrWarpMind (talk) 22:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't really think it's worth mentioning, other than listing the individual issues in each volume. The Essentials line seems to represent all the storyline relevant to a book for a particular period of time, thus the inclusions of annuals, crossovers, etc. Snowfire51 (talk) 22:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Essential X-Men Vol 5
Hi, I was at the bookstore today and saw a copy of Essential X-Men Vol 5 featuring the Alpha Flight/X-Men mini reprinted, in seemingly the correct place, with a printing date of April 2007. The chart in this article mentions an Essential X-Men Vol 5 w/o the mini with a print date of 2004. Not sure how that edition flew under the radar and don't know how to edit the table without screwing it up. --68.44.255.81 (talk) 22:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've made the changes, thanks for your input. FYI, the dates I have listed there are the original release date, not the latest. - DrWarpMind (talk) 01:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Essential Nick Fury?
Does anyone have a source for the supposed Nick Fury volume? I can't find anything about it on the web. It also seems implausible because at 790 pages, it would over 130 pages larger than any other Essential. --JamesAM (talk) 05:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Punisher redundancy?
I know next to nothing about the Punisher character or comics, but this strikes me as a little strange. The article says that Essential Punisher Volume 1 reprints The Punisher #1-5 and that Volume 2 reprints The Punisher #1-20. But shouldn't Volume 2 start with #6 if Volume 1 ends with #5? I found pictures of the covers of both volumes—the Volume 2 cover says it reprints The Punisher #1-20, but the Volume 1 cover doesn't list the specific issues collected like the Essential covers usually do. Emanresu27 (talk) 20:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No, that's not an error. First, there was a Punisher mini-series that lasted 5 issues. Later, an ongoing series was launched that began with a new issue #1. In comics, the most common practice, when a new series is launched with the same title as an old/cancelled, is to re-start the numbering at #1. A good resource to find information on comic book series is the Comic Book Database at www.comics.org. --JamesAM (talk) 20:04, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Essential Punisher is an odd volume in that it collects a lot of the character's appearances before he got his own ongoing series. Normally the volumes start with the individual series perhaps with the try out or build-up storylines, but with Punisher they tried something different. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:40, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Multiple editions
We need to find a way to easily handle changes in both titles and content when a new edition is put out. I've noticed some changes in the series covering (mainly) The Amazing Spider-Man:


 * The original editions of the first four volumes are just entitled "The Essential Spider-Man". Volumes 5 though 8 are "The Essential Spider-Man" on both the spine (although the design uses a different font for "Essential") and legal info, but the cover has "Essential" up the left-hand side and "The Amazing Spider-Man" as the logo. Volumes 9 & 10 have "Essential" on the spine relegated to the logo at the top and "The Amazing Spider-Man" as the sole main title, but the legal info still calls them "The Essential Spider-Man".


 * Spider-Man volumes 3 & 4 have had the contents altered in editions. Originally volume 3 consisted of Amazing #44-68 and volume 4 of Amazing 69-89 & Annual 4-5. Now volume 3 consists of Amazing #44-65, annual 4 and Spectacular Spider-Man magazine 1, whilst volume 4 consists of Amazing #66-89, Annual 5 and Spectacular Spider-Man magazine 2.


 * (More generally a number of annuals have had their placement altered in reprint runs, presumably due to newer editors wanting to correct earlier mistakes.)

I'm not sure how best to include this but the current table seems to be a mix of original edition contents and modern - see particularly X-Men volume 3 - and I don't want to much up the ability to resort things by date. Any ideas? Timrollpickering (talk) 20:07, 28 April 2012 (UTC)