Talk:Estevanico

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Esteban Dorantes It's funny that the article for George Washington doesn't say "George Washington was a blah blah blah". Why not just say "Estevanico was an African ... He was kidnapped and enslaved by the Portugese until he escaped or whatever.


 * It is very unlikely that Estevanico was a moslem at the time of his entry into the americas. The spanish had just ended the reconquista in 1492 after hundreds of years of war against the moslems of granada. It seems extremely unlikely that they would have brung a practicing moslem with them in their attempt to christianize the new world. He is even named after a catholic saint. The mention of his being a moslem needs a very good quote from a very reliable source inorder to be anything other than an attempt at rewriting history.Maunus 17:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't www.elizabethan-era.org.uk is an appropriate source. 74.78.98.109 (talk) 18:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed.AbstractIllusions (talk) 06:49, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

A new bio of Estevanico/Esteban Dorantes by Robert Goodwin categorically treats him as "black" - from sub-Saharan Africa. He may have been Moroccan-born, of course; there were plenty of black slaves in Morocco in the 16th c.

He was a Muslim African.

George Washington wasn't particularly fond of church or religion. However, he was known to attend a certain church. It isn't out of the ordinary to include a President's religion in the information section about him. The sectional s true of Representatives and Senators. Freedom2B (talk) 13:51, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

about Estevanico
He was born in Azemmour Africa in 15oos, deid in Hawikuh newmexico,in1539. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.196.13.213 (talk) 21:44, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13507486.2012.745830

books.google.com/books?id=Lu2mBgAAQBAJ Freedom2B (talk) 14:28, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Merge with Esteban de Dorantes
As most saw fit, I merged Esteban de Dorantes with this page. I tried to keep as much verifiable content as possible. Because Estevanico is the preferred English language reference for the individual, I kept the Estevanico page and redirected the Esteban de Dorantes page. Sourced information from the Esteban de Dorantes page was kept. If I could find a source for it, I also kept that. But if it didn't have a clear, verifiable source it got cut. Cleaned up language and other minor issues. Individual changes made in the merger:
 * Cut 'Healer' line in the intro paragraph. It is discussed more appropriately below.
 * I removed the source on the Catholic Conversion and replaced it with a better source. The original source didn't talk about any supposed conversion that he underwent.
 * I removed the part about him growing close to Dorantes (which had no sourcing). He was a slave, Dorantes sold him.  Really good sourcing is necessary for such a claim.
 * Added to shipwreck story. It seemed too brief in both originals.
 * Removed "Estevanico was asked" to go back to the North. He was a slave, any asking would require a good source.
 * Added the indigenous servants that accompanied him on the return. He wasn;t alone like the original entry asserted.  All histories agree on this.  AbstractIllusions (talk) 06:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Suggestions on How to Improve Wiki Page
Somewhere in the page I think it should be mentioned how when the four of them were traveling they weren't contacting other tribes, but instead were lead by the villages that hosted them to the next village. It should also be mentioned that they at one time they could have 1,500-3,000 people following them to the new village. Also when they built the rafts, the rafts became separated and three of the rafts landed on the Coast while the other two (one with Cabeza de Vaca and the other had Estevancio, Dorantes, and Castillo) landed on the same island where they met Natives who eventually enslaved them. Shadooper (talk) 18:10, 7 September 2017 (UTC) 

Source issues
The pdf file from Juan Francisco Maura listed under bibliography appears to be copyrighted and should probably be removed. While there are plenty of sources, it appears that the majority of the information is taken from a select few while many details and single sentence statements have a source that covers nothing else. It may make the article more credible if the sources are used more evenly to cover the same information.

--Jkadens (talk) 14:06, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 2 March 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved  (t &#183; c)  buidhe  03:24, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Mustafa Azemmouri → Estevanico – This page was names 'Estevanico' until December 2019 where it was moved without appropriate sourcing to 'Mustafa Azemmouri'. I've thought about it since then and think it needs wider discussion. Recent sources appear to stick with Estevanico. Including Morocco World News, the Albuquerque Journal, and Black Excellence. From the other side, Mustafa Azemmouri is the preferred of the Santa Fe New Mexican and Texas Monthly. Scholarly sources such as 'The Cause of Freedom: A Concise history of African Americans', and Rhodes 'Postcolonial Retellings of Estevanico', etc. all seem to use Estevanico primarily. The initial move was not correctly determined as there is certainly no consensus for 'Mustafa Azemmouri'--but if the discussion determines that is the best name, I'd go for it. Discussion is necessary. AbstractIllusions (talk) 03:19, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Clear WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:44, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Support - per COMMONNAME. If the sources use Estevancio it makes sense the article should as well. Netherzone (talk) 15:23, 7 March 2021 (UTC)