Talk:Estoc

I think it is worth mentioning, that the estoc was mostly used as a backup for the lance. Once the lance has been shattered and another charge was in order, the estoc came to play. That's why it was so long - it had no use as a regular thrusting weapon. Once a close combat armor-piercing weapon was needed, a pick was usually used.

I really have to disagree with the author regarding the german translation. I am from Austria and I am training in a martial arts school of medieval fencing. The term "Panzerstecher" does not describe an Estoc but rather a special form of a dagger. It is called "Scheibendolch" in German and is a short dagger with a triangular oder diamond shaped thrusting bald with no cutting edge. It was the aim of most fights between fully armored opponent to topple the opponent and kill him with the dagger through the gaps and weaknesses of the armor (e.g. the slit in the visor). So the translation should be removed from the otherwise good article.

Geometry
"...nearly an equilateral triangle or square, with relatively obtuse angles (~60+ degrees)." An equilateral triangle's angles are 60 degrees, period. If they're not all 60 degrees, it's not an equilateral triangle. Also, there are three types of angle, acute- less than 90 degrees, right- exactly 90 degrees, and obtuse, any angle greater than 90 degrees but less than 180 degrees, which isn't an angle at all. Squares or rectangles have all four angles at 90 degrees. If all four sides are the same length but the angles aren't 90 degrees, it's a rhombus or rhomboid. If opposing pairs of sides are the same lengths but the angles aren't all 90 degrees, it's a parallelogram. If one pair of sides are the same length but the other pair are different, it's a trapezoid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 06:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's also an unnecessarily complicated description so I've removed it and just put triangular.  Radj397 (talk) 20:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Estoc as a hunting sword
The estoc was widely used as a boar and bear hunting sword starting in the late 1400's, and was modified into a spear-pointed "boar spear sword" by 1500. It was enthusiastically adopted by Emperor Maximilian I, and many others. It probably saw more service on hunting parties than it ever did on the battlefield. The information from the section I added comes from "Hunting Weapons from the Middle Ages to the Twentieth Century", by Howard L. Blackmore, 2000, Dover Publications, Mineola, NY, USA, pages 6-11. I would have added these references to the page myself, but I can't get the "references" template to do anything. If someone with the technical knowledge would be so kind, I would appreciate it..45Colt 09:11, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually the quote from "Hunting Weapons from the Middle Ages to the Twentieth Century", by Howard L. Blackmore, 1971 (republished in 2000) is "un arma da cacia in foggia de stocho" which translates to : "a hunting weapon in the shape of an estoc" not to be taken as the estoc/tuck proper which is another term for the rapier.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stocco

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tuck vide Etymology 2

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/florio/search/550r.html vide stocco

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cotgrave/search/409r.html vide estoc  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.55.17.100 (talk) 00:03, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2016
Please revert the first line "The French estoc or English "bestoc" was a type of European sword in use during the age of fire." back to "The French estoc or English "tuck" was a type of European sword in use from the 14th to 17th centuries."

92.211.23.61 (talk) 21:02, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ --A D Monroe III (talk) 22:53, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Estoc and tuck
The french estoc d'armes is the arming sword (c.f. Randal Cotgrave, 1611) -- broad at the hilt and tapering towards the point-- and the estoc or tuck is a long thin-bladed sword (4' overall) similar to or synonymous with the rapier (c.f. Randal Cotgrave, 1611, John Florio, 1598, de Gaya, 1678, Manesson-Mallet, 1684, and P. Daniel, 1721). It appears that all references to the "estoc" as a two-handed weapon stems from the Victorian antiquarians. See the illustrations of swords (including the estoc in de Gaya's and Manesson-Mallet's treatises. Blair (1982) is merely repeating the Victorian definition. Estoc is also the french term for the thrust, and both the arming sword and the tuck/rapier are designed for thrusting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.55.30.227 (talk) 03:29, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/27434 https://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/aa/original/LC-14_25_1049-004.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.55.17.100 (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Source of statement that hunters are holding hunting mod estocs upright
This image is in wikicommons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Triumphal_Procession_of_Maximilian_I#/media/File:Vijf_jagers_te_paard_bij_de_jacht_naar_wilde_zwijnen_Triomf_van_Keizer_Maximiliaan_I_(serietitel),_RP-P-OB-4376.jpg I am not well versed in making changes to Wikipedia, so simply offer this to those who know better than I. 2600:8804:40C:AC00:A88D:3EBC:9919:685F (talk) 17:35, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

español
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