Talk:Estonian Air

Origin of Estonian Air
There's a dispute regarding relationships between Estonian Air and pre-1991 Aeroflot. So far, there's only one source of information about company's origin, as Short overview about Estonian Air history is surprisingly silent with regard to company's origin. I shoudl add that claims of selective bancrupcy of Aeroflot's Estonian division (made by Martintg) are nowhere to be found too, so in sane world (I mean, outside of Eastern European discussions) this would be enough to discard Martintg's claims as OR of worst kind. However, referenceforbusiness gives several valuable clues to anyone with slightest knowledge and/or understanding of transitional period between USSR and Eastern Europe of today. First, article explicitly mentions that Estonian Air started by utilizing old Aeroflot routes between Tallin and Western European destinations and it used old Aeroflot fleet to do it. Then, it claims that most of operational losses in 1st full year of Estonian Air's operations were from "unprofitable domestic routes, where the average fare was just $2.30" I find it extremely hard to believe that independent startup organized extensive network of unprofitable routes, only to dump it several months later. No, these were old Aeroflot routes, viable only within non-market economy of USSR. But most valuable clue is coming. Article explicitly says "The carrier had inherited from Aeroflot a fleet...". And, a little cherry on top of the pie. "The Russian-made aircraft Yaks and Tupolevs were retired by the end of 1996. At about the same time, according to Aviation Week, Aeroflot was compensated $700,000 for the spinoff of its Estonian division." If that does not describe "former Aeroflot division", I would be curious to know what does? BTW, this is the last time when I'm bothering myself with highlighting obvious things. Next time it will be AI request regarding WP:VAN. RJ CG (talk) 17:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You are just speculating here and shows a fundamental lack of understanding on how business works. It is clearly stated that the airline was established by the Estonian government in 1991. What part "established" do you not understand? It is quite common for airlines to cease operating and new airlines established that fly identical routes, it has happened two or three times in Australia. $2.30 may sound cheap, but one could buy an apartment in Tallinn for $1000 back in 1991. Martintg (talk) 20:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Warning had been placed on your talk page regarding possible vandalism. What part of "spinoff of its Estonian division" statement from the source you don't understand? RJ CG (talk) 20:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Destinations page
I moved the destinations over to their own page. I though that the long list made the main page look cluttered so I moved them. If anyone objects, feel free to revert it. (D.c.camero (talk) 16:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC))

Äripäev "report"
I had to revert this edit - it was grossly misinterpreting it's source (article is not a "report", but summary of an teleinterview with Latvian transportation minister and it's mostly about (Lithuanian) flyLAL's lawsuit against (Latvian) AirBaltic and Riga's International Airport, according minister's words this lawsuit is last breath of the soon-to-bankrupt flyLAL and he sees similar problems with Estonian Air - but instead, look at the Riga Airport and AirBaltic...), additionally it was located in inappropriate section. I have nothing against this information per se, but IMHO it needs to be presented a bit more accurately, outlining it as an opinion of Latvian politician. Ptrt (talk) 07:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Potential Buyout
The December 4-10 print edition of the Baltic Times lists that the Estonian government and SAS are competing to try and buy a majority stake in Estonian Air. I will try and note this in the article if I can find a link to this article on the paper's website. Lstanley1979 (talk) 14:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think the Estonian government and SAS (which is half owned by the Swedish, Danish and Norwegian governments) are "competing" to buy a majority stake. Martintg (talk) 19:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)