Talk:Estonian haiku

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Why did you remove the "1960s'" start date and replace it with 2009? The source I provided states The following will be an attempt to map this dynamic between mimetic and idealistic description in the landscape image of Estonian haiku - a form of poetry which was first written in Estonia in the 1960s and takes from its Japanese namesake ... (Koht ja paik - Issues 4-5 - Page 71). That book is written in 2004, so pretty clearly the concept existed before 2009. Is there something wrong with that ref? If you're going to do something extreme as change a date by 40 years and remove a clearly cited statement, you really need to leave a clear WP:Edit summary justifying your change. MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:26, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello!
 * The concept referred to in the book is that of the haiku form in Estonian language, which is different from Estonian haiku as a form in and of itself. The given 2004 source refers to use of the Japanese form of haiku (5+7+5) with Estonian words and phrases, while the concept of Estonian haiku is a novel one – 4+6+4. My apologies for not leaving the edit summary in the text – I am not from a programming background, and am still becoming accustomed to the light coding here. I did, however, add a new source (the Sirp article) in Estonian that explains and backs up this claim. As you can also see from the corresponding Wikipedia articles in other languages (Finnish, Estonian, Võro, and Latvian), the date (which I provided in my initial article and was changed) is legitimate. Thanks for your help in cleaning up the article's coding! AdamCullen (talk) 06:48, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification! I found a way to salvage the cite by using the earlier Japanese-style forms as a predecessor, so hope that works in smoother. No worries on the coding, just takes a little practise. Thanks for the article and the work you've done improving it. No obligation, but the article might look cool with an image of an Estonina haiku at the top. Technically, one shouldn't write a haiku for the purposes of illustrating the article, since that's somewhat artificial, but if you can find an image of any Estonian haiku, even on a hobbyist site or whatnot, and the writer is willing to release it to the Public Domain, that could be a good addition to the article. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:56, 6 November 2012 (UTC)