Talk:Eta Upsilon Gamma

Miller Draughton (Alpha Mu vs Alpha Nu)
Miller Draughton vs Draugton? https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/image/903225278 talks about Alpha Mu being at Draughton's College of Commerce in Kansas City

https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/image/104306076 talks about Alpha Nu being at Miller-Draughton in Cincinnati. Naraht (talk) 08:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Draughton is a typo. Draugton's College was around for a long time, operating in at least 20 cities in the south. Miller-Draugton College in Cincinnati is correct. See this ad. And Draugton's College of Commerce in Kansas City is also correct. See this article. So, there were two chapters at different campuses. I guess Wikipedia is lacking an article on the Draugton College chain; looks like it survived as the Draugton Junior College in TN and GA, and also turned into South University. Rublamb (talk) 16:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * My question was little different in terms of getting the right school with the right letters which I now understand, but good catch on the spelling.Naraht (talk) 19:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I added the six schools that didn't have Wikilinks to our tracking list for those redlinked schools. Nice work on this article, folks. Jax MN (talk) 19:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fran at the Baird's Archive has some source material she is sending me to reference both the Junior Panhellenic, and Forest Park University. Jax MN (talk) 23:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The sources I used for JPHC content have good info, including a copy of its constitution and bylaws. At least, there is enough there for a basic article. Note that there are several name variations in its early days. It looks like it was formed to fight the bias against junior sororities at four-year institutions and with the NPC, but that reading between the lines, paired with a really strange article written by a HUG member in Banta's Greek Exchange (also used as a source). Curious that it had not come up before. Rublamb (talk) 23:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Texas chapters
Obituaries suggest a chapter at Texas Women's College and/or the University of Texas (no mention of Austin). The later seems unlikely in the 1940s, although I have included it in the chapter list because the obituary mention's the chapter name, which was one of our blanks. However, when SAS was chartered in 1962, newspapers articles indicated that it was the first and only Texas chapter. Rublamb (talk) 14:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think you mean SAC, no SAS and yeah, University of Texas is definitely larger than the other schools with HUG. I wonder if it was co-ordinate college. Naraht (talk) 18:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, SAC. I wonder if they meant the University of North Texas which was a orginally a teacher's college. That would also match with the other obit I saw. The University of Texas accepted women when it opened, so that doesn't help. It may be yearbook time. Rublamb (talk) 18:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yearbook time for University of North Texas gave a fairly definite No. https://digital.library.unt.edu/explore/collections/UNTY/browse/?q=%22Eta+Upsilon%22&t=fulltext&sort= gave one hit which was infact a theta Upsilon, while Phi Upsilon gave many which appear to be all correct.Naraht (talk) 19:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * And I swear at this point, I'm giving serious thought to adding a "?" to the U Texas.Naraht (talk) 19:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I am fine with removing it. An obituary is really not enough proof. Rublamb (talk) 22:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Use of Necrology
Which would be better for the closing dates, the almanac, Baird's or the Necrology section of the sorority handbooks? For example, For Ward Belmont is apparently 1912-1920 in either the Almanac or Baird's but 1912-1915 in the necrology section of https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015022671336&seq=122&q1=%22Eta+Upsilon+Gamma%22. Naraht (talk) 15:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * IDK. Maybe I trust Ida a bit more for a sorority. I would use her date and add an efn noting the alternate date and its sources. It is also possible that the chapter went inactive in 1915, reactivated, and went dormant again in 1920.
 * Along the same lines of which date to use, I found a Nov. 1903 date for Beta's founding in the 1915 yearbook page for the chapter, but Baird's and the Almanac say 1902. Which do we go with? I kind of feel like the chapter knew when it was chartered.... Rublamb (talk) 16:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes; I also tend to give more credence to a date citation that provided both month and year, versus just year. And even more when the exact date is noted. Jax MN (talk) 17:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

End date
I was shocked to find the news report of the 1968 convention, especially given that the Almanac indicated that not much was known about this sorority after 1930. We have strong documentation that this group simply shifted to new, active chapters and continued to function for another 30 years. One weird thing about the 1968 convention is the limited number of chapters that we show as active at the time. Maybe the 1967 closures/withdrawals were the final nail in the coffin OR those dates are wrong and everything changed after the 1968 convention. Clearly, the group dissolved at the 1968 convention. I am doubting the 1970s date for the one chapter as I have yet to find the sorority in a yearbook for the 1970s. Rublamb (talk) 16:37, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Dissolution is messy. Perhaps, during that decade of significant cultural change, one chapter held on as a local. Yearbooks were rapidly changing their styles, too, so finding GLOs listed in them becomes increasingly difficult. Long gone were the days where a crest, pin, address and historical information would be listed.  Jax MN (talk) 17:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * How do we know the 1968 Convention was the last?Naraht (talk) 19:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I know it is a leap to reach that conclusion, but except one year at the height of WWII when it looks like there was not a convention, there were always several news articles about each convention. So far, I have only found one article for the 1968 convention and nothing for 1970 (the next convention year). In addition, if you look at the chapter end dates, there is really only one active chapter left in 1970. I guess the alumnae could have continued the grand chapter, but there is a pattern of chapter closures and mergers around 1968 that would be consistent with the end of the sorority. Maybe this article will help us find a living member who can fill in the blanks. Rublamb (talk) 19:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Also Potomac State 1971-1972 yearbook https://archive.org/details/catamount1971197234unse/page/154/mode/2up . Not in the next yearbook (but given the pseudo-merger with the fraternity not a surprise), but Sigma Iota Chi is. As a state supported two year school, it does *not* surprise me that they hung on that long. A perfect niche for this type of group.Naraht (talk) 19:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * And 1971-1972 is also perfect timing for the coed frat movement. Great find! Rublamb (talk) 19:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. My GLO (Alpha Phi Omega) in the late 60s had a *few* really liberal chapters that admitted women behind the scenes and by the time Title IX forced it, there was a majority that supported going co-ed, but not enough to get to the 3/4 to change the bylaws.Naraht (talk) 20:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)