Talk:Ethan Brown (businessman)

Disambiguation page
Several other Wikipedia biographical articles have names 'Ethan Brown'. Would there be sense in creating a disambiguation page for 'Ethan Brown' that lists all three of these (and perhaps others)? MaynardClark (talk) 02:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ethan Brown - American investigative journalist and reporter
 * Ethan Brown (executive) - founder of Beyond Meat
 * Ethan Allen Brown - Democratic-Republican politician. He served as the seventh Governor of Ohio.
 * Hello I created a DAB at Ethan Brown (disambiguation). Cheers ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  12:42, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. MaynardClark (talk) 19:48, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Content restoration edit request
Hi, Soo from Beyond Meat, here. I'd like to open a discussion about some of the content that was removed from the page (see the changes here). Please consider the following points, which all focus on Ethan Brown himself and are appropriately sourced:
 * 1) Remove "meat-substitute company Beyond Meat" and restore the previous text ("Beyond Meat"). This touches on a larger question that I brought up at Talk:Beyond Meat regarding whether Beyond Meat's products should be called "meat substitutes"/"meat analogues" or "plant-based meat." I believe "plant-based meat" is better because this term is the way that most reliable sources refer to it. But in this article, we have the luxury to avoid that debate entirely in the lead by just saying "Beyond Meat" and leaving it at that.
 * 2) Restore mention of Ethan Brown's work at the NGA Center in "Early career"- perhaps this wasn't clear in the initial formatting, but the reference at the end of this section applies to this statement as well: Brown worked as an energy analyst for the National Governors Association Center for Best Practices, and then as a clean energy executive for Canadian fuel cell developer Ballard Power Systems for eight years.
 * 3) Restore: "On May 2, 2019, Brown rang the opening bell at Nasdaq when Beyond Meat went public under the symbol BYND." This was a noteworthy event in Brown's career, not a trivial or routine incident.
 * 4) Restore: Brown is also a director of The PLANeT Partnership, Beyond Meat's joint venture with PepsiCo. This is a significant director role in which Brown serves.
 * 5) Regarding the awards- thank you for pointing out the issue there. Please restore the UNEP Award and Bloomberg award, as these are both notable awards in their own right:
 * 6) *In 2018, Brown was selected as one of the UNEP's Champions of the Earth in the category of science and innovation for his "work towards reducing our dependence on animal-based foods."
 * 7) *In 2019, Brown was listed on Bloomberg Media's 50 Most Influential ranking.

Pinging, , , and  who have been involved in editing this article and the Beyond Meat page thus far. Thanks again for your help S at Beyond (talk) 19:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Hi. The meat-substitute descriptor is meant to inform readers what Beyond Meat is, as it is not self-explanatory. Removing it would require you seek consensus. I'd be happy to include the NGA bit if you provided a quote from the source that's behind a paywall. The Nasdaq bit is currently present in the article (I agree it is relevant). So are the Pepsi partnership (although I'm not entirely sure it's notable) and awards, so I'm closing this request. PK650 (talk) 04:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 24 September 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Ethan Brown (executive) → Ethan Brown (businessman); Ethan Brown → Ethan Brown (journalist); Ethan Brown (disambiguation) → Ethan Brown. There is a consensus that there is currently no clear primary topic, and as such the disambiguation page should occupy the base title. Additionally, this article is moved to the standard disambiguator (businessman). (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 14:10, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

– Ethan Brown of Beyond Meat is the clear primary topic for the name "Ethan Brown," as demonstrated by page views. Ethan Brown of Beyond Meat receives several times more page views than any other Ethan Brown on a consistent daily basis. S at Beyond (talk) 23:31, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ethan Brown (executive) → Ethan Brown
 * Ethan Brown → Ethan Brown (journalist)
 * Oppose move as proposed. I believe the article is too new to use page views as a indicator; we need to see that this level of interest is long term, rather than short term. Further, even if this level of coverage is long term, I don't believe it is sufficient to establish the Beyond individual as the primary topic, particularly given the Journalist is clearly on a "downswing" in coverage right now, coverage that will likely increase the next time they publish a book. I believe the correct move is to move Ethan Brown (disambiguation) to Ethan Brown, and have no primary topic.
 * I feel it should also be noted that S at Beyond has a disclosed, paid conflict of interest with Beyond Meat. BilledMammal (talk) 01:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose 1, support 2 per WP:NOPRIMARY. 162 etc. (talk) 22:11, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong support 2nd, neutral on 1st, the executive has 3,850 views compared with 601 for the journalist and 159 for Ethan Allen Brown, primary topic swaps can cause problems but at least the journalist isn't primary so should be moved.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:39, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Neutral 1st, but strong Support 2nd per above. Primary topic swaps often cause problems, so the safest bet would probably be moving the disambiguation page "Ethan Brown (disambiguation)" to the basename. Paintspot Infez (talk) 01:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose 1, support 2, no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:03, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose first, neutral on second. But this article should be renamed Ethan Brown (businessman), our standard disambiguator. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:22, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed on (businessman), per WP:CONSISTENCY. BilledMammal (talk) 22:46, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Other WikiProjects
Could or should this Ethan Brown (businessman) article be included also in these other WikiProjects: because this Ethan Brown had worked in fuel cells and power grid integration?
 * WikiProject Business
 * WikiProject Civil engineering
 * WikiProject Engineering
 * WikiProject Technology
 * Before founding Beyond Meat, Brown worked on alternative energy and electricity grid restructuring at the National Governors Association's Center for Best Practices before joining fuel cell manufacturer Ballard Power Systems.

That works seems very significant today. MaynardClark (talk) 22:24, 8 January 2022 (UTC)