Talk:Etika

Change the article name to Etika's name?
Should we just change the article name to Daniel Desmond Amofah? This article already showcases more of his life other than his disappearance as shown in the career part and Etika is already a notable, well-known enough figure online to have his own article rather than just based on one incident.Uelly (talk) 09:44, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Uelly


 * Wait - It's still a developing situation. Decide once it's concluded. Parafron-trodaí (talk) 11:37, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Parafron-trodaí


 * I also agree that we should wait for the current event to conclude but at the time being I would lean towards changing the article name to "Etika" over "Daniel Desmond Amofah". Etika probably is notable enough to have his own page without the disappearance and would be better known to the public as "Etika" over his real name. So yes, wait until current events have concluded but if we were to change it afterwards, it would be more suitable to change it to "Etika". Braveb1rd PokeMC (talk) 16:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I am pretty confident that he was notable before his death (more in the last year, but still)... the question is whether to use Etika or his proper name. There's no WP conflict with Etika, but I see there's a Malaysian star known by that so I think his proper name would be better here. --M asem (t) 17:02, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Another alternative could be their proper name with their username in parenthesis, or potentially referencing their connections to youtube / content creation. -Anonymous 17:32, 25 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.77.67.18 (talk)


 * If it isn't suitable to use his username, then the page should at least be titled "Desmond Amofah". Etika himself went by Desmond and it is by far the more common name he went by. If searching for this page "Daniel Amofah" would not be the first or even second thing someone would think of. Braveb1rd PokeMC (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

86.6.178.179 (talk) 17:53, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

His full name, Daniel Desmond Amofah, would portray him as more of a real person rather than someone who doesn’t need to be called their real name DreaganX (talk) 06:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Change title to "Deceased"
Etika has been found dead, per here. Trazire (talk) 16:47, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Change page name to Desmond Amofah
His first name is Daniel but he goes by Desmond Michael14375 (talk) 18:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * He is more well-known by his username Etika, so why not just stick with that name instead or use Etika (internet personality)? HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 18:41, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

No more page moves until consensus is reached here
This page is now named Etika (streamer) but it should not be. There is no need to disambiguate. If we are going to use the name Etika that should be the name of the article. Etika is now a redirect to this article which makes no sense. But there have been two or three moves of the page in the last few hours. There should not be any more until consensus is reached. What should the article name be? -- MelanieN (talk) 19:34, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I have move-protected the article for now. Please discuss here and let's decide what the name should be. The most likely candidates seem to be Etika or Daniel Desmond Amofah. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * My vote is Etika per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRECISE. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 19:46, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * He's known internet-wide as Etika and a majority of news outlets covering his death initially refer to him as such - so the article should probably be named Etika. Toreightyone (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * "Etika" should be fine, my only concern is there are other newsworthy people (seemingly) that do not have articles on WP but could that are also named Etika, but without articles now, or even redirects for this, shouldn't be an issue. Hat notes or other facets may need to be added later. --M asem (t) 19:56, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Clearly it should be at Etika. Pointless move protection. - hahnch e n 22:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * We should use Etika, it looks like most people and news outlets call him that and it was his preferred alias. Roll 3d6 (talk) 23:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I was gonna name the page Etika instead of Etika (streamer) but it was already taken. Michael14375 (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Etika per above. --Wow (talk) 04:45, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Please move the page to Etika. --- Coffee  and crumbs  05:32, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * MelanieN has basically okay'd me on my talk page to move this page when the decision was made (even though I did !vote above), and as this is SNOWing, I will go ahead and move things around. --M asem (t) 13:55, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2019
It'd be more respectful to have a photo posted by Etika from his Instagram, rather than using a screencap from his "goodbye" video. An image such as https://www.instagram.com/p/BrqPHIRhta8/ would be preferable. (Direct Link: https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/fc5d7bb507704f6ce6901cb515703f10/5DB769D0/t51.2885-15/e35/46714583_373416163426326_4629470249639477248_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com)

Thank you, and rest in peace Desmond. 2605:A000:1618:C368:D49F:4C21:6DD1:D58E (talk) 20:50, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Provided that the image in the article is available under a free license, you'd need to find a free image to replace it. A fair use rationale falls flat as the image in the article is a free alternative to any of the images on his Instagram. Luigi970p 💬Talk📜Contributions 21:09, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Which this is probably a good place that if you (WP reader) are in possession of a good photo of Etika, you are welcome to contribute it as a freely-licensed file if you feel its better than the one we have from Instagram. (But this has to be your own photo, not something pulled off YouTube or social media). --M asem  (t) 21:12, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

The goodbye video picture isn’t fitting. I want a pic from his Instagram to show the joy in him LogicIsTheBestWhiteRapper (talk) 21:32, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Our non-free image policy (demanded by the WMF) doesn't allow this. --M asem (t) 21:35, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * BTW, this video from his Minecraft thing is CC with reuse (CC-BY), and thus as long as we're not including any game screens, any screen from that video or others marked with Creative Commons is 100% allowed to be used as an image here. --M asem (t) 21:49, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * OK, no problem. I'll upload a screencap from there. Cth103 t (talk) 22:33, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Uploaded at File:Etika - 2.png. Cth103 t (talk) 22:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Some additional information and reactions
The news article is "YouTube Star Etika Is Found Dead in NYC, Leaving Thousands of Fans in Mourning" from Dara Sharif of The Root (magazine). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9000:A507:FCB6:A19A:2362:5C45:2B3F (talk) 01:54, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2019
On this page if states cause of death was murder but no evidence has shown what the cause of death was as it could he suicide or murder 75.163.172.126 (talk) 03:58, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This appears to have already been removed/fixed. --M asem (t) 04:43, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Death Date
So the E Online announcing the cause of death states he died on June 24. Reading the full article, it seems as if they're using that date as it's the date police were notified of the body in the river, so do we change it to June 24 as shown in the source, or leave it as circa the 19th? Magitroopa (talk) 15:47, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Change.org petition citations
Shouldn't the citation (no plural) be of the change.org petition itself? Citing three sources that talk about the petition instead of the petition itself is just deadweight loss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.126.187 (talk) 20:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Nope. Change.org is, for all purposes, user-generated content and thus unverified/filtered, etc. We generally do not link to user-generated content just because it exists, see WP:ELNO. But as several reliable sources identified the petition there as well as the volume of signatures there so we are in good shape to add it but usng our reliaable sources as the reference point. --M asem (t) 20:48, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Unverified? Change.org can't verify itself? You need three different news articles to verify it? How exactly do these articles verify it? Perhaps by citing the petition? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.126.187 (talk) 17:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Anyone can start a petition on change.org. It's user-generated. And the three different articles have different information related to sourcing; for example only one gives the 380,000 signature count. --M asem (t) 17:46, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Isn't his name Desmond Daniel Amofah, not Daniel Desmond Amofah?
Despite what the media says, his full name seems to be Desmond Daniel Amofah, according to himself, his ex-girlfriend, and his friend. 90.252.85.46 (talk) 23:23, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thank you for clearing that up it will now be changed Michael14375 (talk) 00:17, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

A suggestion
"Amofah's death highlighted social media platforms' handling of posts by users who appear at risk with mental illness or who are contemplating suicide. In 2017, Facebook increased its efforts to screen and alert possible suicide threats after several people in 2017 live-streamed suicides on Facebook Live. Facebook now utilizes both algorithms and user reports to flag such threats."

However, I failed to find that he was live-streamed on Facebook Live and I think it is more suitable in broader topic such as "Social Media and Mental Health" rather than a person's topic. Should we delete it and only mentioning Facebook's attempt to reduce suicide? Mariogoods (talk) 22:35, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Change date of death to June 22?
Etika went missing on June 19, which is the date currently listed in the article, but his ex-girlfriend Christine tweeted that she learned he actually died on the 22nd: https://twitter.com/TheAlicePika/status/1145388228272427017 Though this obviously isn't an official police report, she was one of the closest people to him and it sounds like she may have learned this from an official source. Should the date be changed to the 22nd instead of the 19th? CeilingMessenger (talk) 03:42, 3 July 2019 (UTC)


 * We need an official police report that we can cite, or otherwisse an RS that has likely had access to it. --M asem (t) 03:47, 3 July 2019 (UTC)


 * He even has photos on Twitter liked on June 20 which doesn't make any sense. Michael14375 (talk) 13:51, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There are tools that can automate postings, so that's not necessarily a way to say that; it falls into WP:OR. --M asem (t) 13:59, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Why does Etika's Date of Death still has a circa by it?
Haven't at this point in time the police and forensics figured out the exact day Etika was declared dead? Or has technology haven't gotten far enough where you can exactly pinpoint a drowning victim's time of death. Uuruuseiyo (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * We know there was a coroner's report, and from his gf, it likely was ruled on the 22nd. The problem is, outside of her tweet about that, we have no reliable sources that specifically state the day of death. And I did ask about using her tweet at WP:RS/N and was told a resounding NO. So until someone publishes what the official report says, we have no way to include the exact date, so we have to leave circa there. --M asem  (t) 05:14, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Etika's View Count is over 145 million, not 4 million
Counting all three of his past channels, he has accumulated exactly 145,385,079 video views (and counting) as of July 9th, 2019. 143,741,591 views on "ewnetwork," 839,717 views on "Tr1Iceman," and 803,771 views on "EtikaFRFX." PantheonRadiance (talk) 01:44, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for clearing that up, I didn't check that he lost 143 million views on EWNetwork. Michael14375 (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2019
The memorial that the fans put up for Etika has been taken down. 104.10.133.48 (talk) 19:40, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * We need a reliable source to note this - and regardless, these memorials are always short-term, so its not really newsworthy. --M asem (t) 19:44, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) --47.148.66.221 (talk) 22:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC) ITs important for people to know about etika and how depression kills everyone

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) --AceAlen (talk) 22:48, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Should be left alone. Many people have tried to delete this article for ridiculous reasons and should just be left alone.

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) --100.40.122.112 (talk) 22:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia,

After reviewing this article on the now deceased Desmond Daniel Amofah A.K.A. Etika, I have come to the conclusion that it does not in fact "only serve to promote him", as what is claimed. The article provides transparent information as to where Etika projected his work by providing links to channels owned by him. In addition to that, this article details his life, his career, the mental health issues he faced, as well as details on his death and disappearance. I believe it's an excellent article for Etika and should not be deleted.

Thank you.

Regards,

Anonymous

Suspension of his Twitter
Should we add information on the suspension of his Twitter and when it got hacked? Michael14375 (talk) 08:40, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

since it was restored and back up I don't feel like it needs to be mentioned — Preceding unsigned comment added by HappyBoi3892 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Years Active
should etikas years active be 2008-2019 since his "rapping career" started in 2008? or should it just be kept his 2011-2015 (modeling) 2012-2019 (youtuber)
 * Rapping was more of a hobby than a career. Michael14375 (talk) 05:07, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Removing the suicide note video
I'm removing the suicide note video. It serves no encyclopedic purpose and is arguably sensationalist and voyeouristic. If we want to show a typical example of his work, we can easily find another (more typical) example; it appears they're all CC BY licensed. Huon (talk) 20:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I disagree. It is relevant for his biography. He explains why he did what he did. And he says in the video "I hope that my story maybe helps to make YouTube a better place somehow in the future, to let people know boundaries and limits, how far things should go" and "Let my story be one that advises caution on too much of the social media sh** man. It could f*** you up. It can give you an image of what you want your life to be and it can get blown completely out of proportion dawg. And unfortunately, it consumed me. And it made me forget about consequences to my actions."

I think his words are very mature. And he wanted to share these words, so why would the video be voyeuristic? But I agree with you that in addition to this video, it would be good to also add a more typical video. But how can a video from YouTube be inserted? Volstra (talk) 18:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)


 * How is it relevant? We can summarize in our own words what secondary sources have reported about the content (I don't think any secondary source comments on the style or maturity) of this video without having to show the video itself. In fact, that's already done. It's voyeuristic because the entire point of having the video is "this is what he said right before he killed himself" - the next step would be the video of someone who actually commits the suicide on camera. And this hypothetical next step should also make clear why "he wanted to share these words" also is irrelevant. He was likely mentally ill, he committed suicide; there's no enczclopedic need put his last (recorded) moments on public display. Huon (talk) 21:43, 6 April 2020 (UTC)


 * By that logic, no media would be required for anything. We could summarize in our own words what secondary sources reported about a movie poster instead of showing the actual poster. This doesn't make any sense to me. The point of having the video is to show what was going on in his head and allow any reader to draw their own conclusions. I'm not buying your slippery slope argument. A video of someone who commits suicide on camera doesn't add any insight into someone's thought process or personality. Volstra (talk) 13:13, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Well the video is back so. VinnieBat1 (talk) 04:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

There's the moral component. It's one thing to show video evidence of MLK's "I have a dream speech". It's another thing to show footage of rape or involuntary castration/genital mutilation. He's absolutely correct in the fact the internet consumes people and puts too much stuff on display. So unless we can have a private backlog of videos for the sake of "Knowledge" I also support the video's removal. 2604:2000:1107:A0DA:7594:FACD:FA9:34BF (talk) 22:14, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Volstra gives a good analogy with the film poster. When secondary sources discuss a film poster, an image of the poster can clarify what they describe in a way that mere words cannot. For a similar example, compare Barack Obama "Hope" poster:
 * Fairey has said, "My historical inspiration was the well-known JFK portrait where he is posed in a three-quarters view looking slightly upward and out into the distance. The image of Lincoln on the five-dollar bill has a similar feel."
 * Images of that JFK portrait and a $5 bill obviously help our readers tell what Fairey is talking about in that quote. Here, however, there is nothing in secondary sources discussing Etika's suicide that would possibly be clarified by the video itself. As I said, no sources discuss style or maturity. Huon (talk) 00:11, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Very few sources on the subject of rape of castration talk about it as a violent attack on a person's gender, at least none that wouldn't be clarified with live footage. So what better way to show it off than to upload that shock footage on Wikipedia?... Or you can cut the shit. Plenty of sources either have the video or explain the contents of the video. The page for the porn anime Boku no Piko has a video where a man decribes what it's like to watch it on archive.org. The video is summarized on 2 sentences on the page itself, and cited as normal
 * The series gained a niche following in the Anglophone world after a viral video called "Don't watch an Anime Called Boku" was posted on YouTube circa 2010. In the video, a male viewer is heard describing the three episodes of the OVA and comparing the experience of watching them to selling his soul to Lucifer. It has since evolved into an Internet meme and a copypasta. 
 * Why can't we just upload Etika's suicide note on Archive and cite it like a normal source, then describe what happens in the video? We're bascialy confirming everything he said about he internet being a voyeuristic hub, we're spitting on his corpse dude. 2604:2000:1107:A0DA:2869:A9D4:8FFB:3828 (talk) 18:56, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Per the above and the lack of an explanation of what this video adds to the page beyond the summary of its content already present, I have removed it (again). Huon (talk) 00:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You’re gonna have to remove it a third time... check the page history. 2603:7000:1F00:6B91:7451:57D1:C907:3442 (talk) 22:22, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Since it's not currently in the article I don't have to remove it, but I still stand by the reasoning I provided above and would ask those who want to add the video to explain how it improves the article. Merely it being freely licensed doesn't mean we have to put it in, and as far as I can tell, it's not an example of the kind of video Etika is notable for. Huon (talk) 23:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This is the thread I was referring to. I recommend you read it before adding the clip again. 2603:7000:1F00:6B91:D925:BF08:3205:4E21 (talk) 00:18, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but I think comparing a final video (which had absolutely nothing graphic at all, just concern) to something like a rape video is extremely the wrong way to say why to remove it. If (however it was recorded) someone actually had their "moment of suicide" video up, that absolutely would not be allowed for the same reasons that we'd not have the rape video. But we're talking a video of someone saying some lines that yes, are concerned that are related to being suicidal, but are not at all morally offensive. There are fair reasons that this may cause others who are on the verge of suicidal to be drawn that way if they see that, and that's valid to remove, but the video isn't anywhere close to "snuff" or the like that was suggested to demand removal for that reason. --M asem (t) 21:09, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested for indefinite extended confirmed protection
I have requested for indefinite extended confirmed protection due to childish vandalism coming from multiple IP's. That way users that have a 30-day-old account with over 500 edits can only make edits. This will prevent persistent vandalism. VARNAMi (talk) 09:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Adding a footnote about Etika misremembering his age around Sonic Battle's release date in regards to the origin of the Etika name?
Etika was born in May 12, 1990 and Sonic Battle was first released in Japan on December 4, 2003 and January 5, 2004 in North America according to the game's Wikipedia article. Etika states in a tweet that he came up with the Etika moniker at the age of 12 after a cheat code with the letter combination of "EkiTa" from the game Sonic Battle, but Etika was only 12 in 2002 and Sonic Battle was released at the end of 2003 and beginning of 2004 which would make Etika around 13 at the very earliest known age if he happened to obtain and playthrough Sonic Battle immediately after its release date. Uuruuseiyo (talk) 14:24, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Good Article Status
Hi everyone,

Just to let you know, the past few days I've been reworking this article by cleaning up citations, removing less reliable sources and replacing them with new reliable ones. I did so because I'm planning on getting this article to Good Article, and eventually Featured Article status. My plan is to get it to GA Status by mid-April so I can have a DYK fact from this article appear on May 12, 2023 - Etika's birthday. Depending on how much time I have after that, I would also consider making this a Featured Article in the near future. If any editors wish to help me bring Etika's article to GA status, please let me know. Thanks, PantheonRadiance (talk) 05:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * thx for all your hard work :)
 * joyconboyzforever HappyBoi3892 (talk) 05:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm pinging several of the contributors to Etika's article because I want to get some feedback before sending it to an official GA review. Seeing as how the GA nomination process takes a while for reviewers to start let alone complete, the large length of the article will only make the process longer, and as of today there's only a little over a month before May 12, I decided to nominate it a bit earlier than I originally planned. I'm planning on nominating it either this Friday or Saturday after I make a few last minute changes. For the most part I think it's really close to GA (or at least much closer now than it was several months ago), but needs a few extra edits in terms of sourcing and copy editing to really push it over the GA barrier. To the contributors of the article, I have two main questions. One, do you have any feedback? And two, when I nominate it for GA, will you possibly have any free time this month to work on the article in a timely manner, especially if a review occurs earlier than expected?
 * Also, one last note. I know that the GA and DYK processes generally take a long time to complete, both for reviewers and major contributors to the article. So in light of these issues with time, if there's a possibility that it may not reach GA status in time for the article to appear on DYK by May 12, then I'm considering a new goal for the article to appear on DYK around June 19 to the 25th, roughly the four year anniversary of his passing.
 * Anyway, thanks, and Joycon Boyz forever! PantheonRadiance (talk) 18:00, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * EDIT: I have decided to nominate this article for GA status. For anyone who reads this talk page, I would still appreciate any feedback on the article's status so it can improve to GA status as quickly as possible. Outside of minor copy edits and statements that can be fixed easily, I personally believe this article meets all of the criteria. Virtually every pertinent statement is accurately sourced, and the sources in the article come from either reliable sources per WP:RSPSS and WP:VG/RS, or sources that are situationally reliable but used appropriately in certain contexts (such as Newsweek, Heavy and Mashable). Along with this, the article covers Etika's life, career and impact broadly; the article covers all significant perspectives on Etika per WP:NPOV; there hasn't been any stability issues outside of me performing source maintenance and copy editing these past few days; and the article is illustrated properly per the 6th criteria. I take it that the silence indicates that the article doesn't have any glaring issues that would necessitate a quick fail of the criteria, so I'm confident in bringing this article to GA. Once again, thanks. PantheonRadiance (talk) 07:00, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * hey, it seems like the "About EWNetwork" YouTube reference (the source thats next to his subscribers and total views) links to a 404 not found page. HappyBoi3892 (talk) 19:09, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think that it has to do with YouTube infoboxes automatically adding the channel link, even when the channel isn't available anymore. I don't know how to fix that, but perhaps someone could post an archive link or leave a note for the stats on all of his channels. Thanks, PantheonRadiance (talk) 22:40, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the lead paragraphs could be revised to be four compared to the five right now, slightly reducing the details on his decline in mental health and moving around sentences of his overall YouTube history. Half of the lead is otherwise fine. Carlinal (talk) 19:56, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Decided to trim the lead to make it four paragraphs - hope the changes are okay. At this point I don't want to make too many more edits until the GA review actually starts, so we can keep the page stable. PantheonRadiance (talk) 09:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The last two lead paragraphs look great. The details of his mental decline are easier to understand in their conciseness, and merging the disappearance/suicide with its aftermath removes the fragmented nature of before. Well done! I wish you good luck when this GA review finally starts. Your work is very honorable to Etika himself, speaking as a fan. Carlinal (talk) 07:26, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. I'm sorry I didn't get to work on getting this article to GA status earlier; if I had known it would've taken this long to wait for a review I would've started in January. But if it does pass GA soon, I'll start work on getting it to FA status for Etika's birthday. If anyone also wants to help bring it there, please feel free. PantheonRadiance (talk) 20:20, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Deep Web/Gordon Ramsay
I'm thinking of removing that paragraph on the deep web and Gordon Ramsay. Besides the NY Times article which explained that Etika was a fan of him, I couldn't find any sources that discuss that Ramsay followed him on Twitter outside of an actual tweet, which potentially violates WP:SPS. I also couldn't find sources for the deep web stream either outside of other SPSs. Unless you come across any reliable sources discussing this, I'll omit it for the time being. Also, thank you for your edits. PantheonRadiance (talk) 20:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I couldn't find anything for Gordon Ramsey other than YouTube and Twitter posts, and I only found one article for the deep web (https://www.talonmarks.com/arts-entertainment/2021/05/13/remembering-desmond-etika-amofah/), although I have no idea if this website is considered "reliable" by Wikipedia's policy.
 * Also, do you have an update on the Good Article Status? I appreciate all the work you've done to try and get this done. HappyBoi3892 (talk) 23:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess that's a usable source per WP:RSSM, but regardless, it's not a big deal if we can't find better sources for the paragraph; if we can't still find any better ones, I'll just delete it when the reviewer notices it.
 * Also, I'm pretty much done with everything until the review. Even though I messaged the YouTube project I still haven't gotten anyone to review it in the past month. It's a shame it's not gonna reach DYK on Etika's birthday and Tears of the Kingdom's release, the main reason why I wanted to bring this to GA status. But maybe next year I can try to bring it to WP:FA status on Etika's birthday. PantheonRadiance (talk) 23:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Remove last video
I don’t want to be rude, but i think it’s very disrespectful to have his last video posted in the page. I think it should be removed. It does nothing than being more trauma to this story. Just transcribe it in text. 2600:1003:B124:F415:94DB:849C:7769:B960 (talk) 17:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Its inclusion has been discussed in this manner before, and it has been kept. M asem (t) 18:43, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm reading it wrong, the consensus from that discussion was to remove the video. It adds no value to the article and is best left as a sourced link to an external site.
 * Probably worth opening another RfC as the arguments in the original discussion are not entirely sound (e.g. "we should keep it because he wanted it to be seen" (failing relevance) vs "we should delete it because it's disturbing" (failing NOTCENSORED). Couruu (talk) 15:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Date of discovery of Etika's belongings
Hey @PantheonRadiance. You've done an incredible job so far. I noticed in your recent edit that you changed the date of when Etika's belongings were found from June 19 to June 22. I've seen some conflicting articles that state his belongings were found on the same night of his disappearance (e.g., The Daily Dot states the 19th), while others say the 22nd. I remember when this was all going down that the NYPD revealed on the 22nd that they found his belongings, but it's still unclear if they had already found them on the night of his disappearance and waited to inform the public, or if they genuinely found his stuff three days later. HappyBoi3892 (talk) 19:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I admittedly wondered about this too, but I also found another Kotaku source published on the 23rd that states they found it a day before in addition to the Digital Trends source. Perhaps we could leave another refnote, or per WP:SOURCESDIFFER we could use in-text attribution? ex. something along the lines of "The Daily Dot stated that the police found his belongings on the 19th, while Kotaku and Digital Trends claim his belongings were found on the 22nd"? would this be a suitable compromise? PantheonRadiance (talk) 18:50, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That would be fine. Vaticidalprophet 08:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * EDIT: The Verge also stated that the belongings were found on "Saturday night", and June 22nd, 2019 falls on a Saturday. PantheonRadiance (talk) 18:55, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Post-GAN, pre-FAC
This is now one of very few articles on all Wikipedia about a Youtuber to reach GA status (and I'd make that list even shorter if I reclassified it as "person is actually best-known as a Youtuber and article is actually GA-quality"). It has the potential to be the first at all to reach FA. This is uncharted territory, which means there's a lot we just don't know about what the best sources for a Youtuber article at FAC are yet, or what FAC reviewers will expect to see.

I plan to look through and copyedit by section sometime in the next few days; there are also a few more points not resolved at GAN that should probably be reiterated, like how statistics about what parts of an article readers read means we really should be putting the date-footnote in the lead. (It's possible to 'name' footnotes to use them multiple times in an article, which I'm willing to do at the copyedit if there's appetite to have it appear twice.) Outside of that, the big thing to resolve is sourcing and information density -- I've mostly mentioned what FAC reviewers will be wanting to see sourcewise (e.g. not much use of Heavy/Newsweek), and the point I've made about non-online sourcing is still worth thinking about. Non-online sourcing is obviously less important for this article than for most articles, but it's still where we're likely to find some of the unclear details about e.g. his parents' careers. I notice Lentz (writer of the Obituaries in the Performing Arts series) referred to his 'parents' generally as figures in Ghanaian politics, and it might be worth seeing what led him to that phrasing rather than just talking about his father -- if you could get the book itself, you could check its bibliography and see if he uses any sources worth looking at. Physical copies are expensive (par for the course with academic publishing), but if that's too prohibitive, we have some articles that might be of interest to you.

Also: now that you've had an article reviewed at GAN and are getting a feel for the process, why not pay it forward? GAN functions on people reviewing at least as often as they nominate, and it's a fascinating way to expand your horizons and learn more about a subject while improving the encyclopedia. For newer editors it can be a little scary to look at a list of articles that aren't always in your comfort range, but as someone who's reviewed a lot on many topics I can provide any advice and mentoring necessary to start doing GAN reviews yourself. It's an important part of keeping the process working, and an easy way to contribute to the improvement of our articles. Vaticidalprophet 16:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey, once again, thank you so much for reviewing the article and taking the time to leave such helpful comments! I do agree that this also has strong potential to reach FA status, but it will definitely take a lot of work.
 * Speaking of sourcing, I actually forgot to mention this in the GA review. Both the Newsweek and The Daily Dot pieces were written at a time when Wikipedia considered them fully reliable, with their only issues regarding the IBT acquisition and due weight, respectively. Personally I still consider DD reliable for internet culture, as several writers have written for other reliable sources (ex. Josh Katzowitz wrote for NYT, WSJ, WaPo and LA Times). Not to mention, they're cited by numerous other RSs too. As for Newseeek, each source came just right after IBT left - late 2018-2020. Heavy is also only cited twice for fairly benign info, but I agree it'll be questionable in the FA review. I acknowledge that consensus can change and I do admit I struggle a bit with judging source reliability, but I still feel they're used appropriately within certain contexts. I think the sources would definitely benefit from more discussion in the RS noticeboard, specifically whether they would be suitable for FAs. I'll try to do so in the near future, along with finding more solid sources to minimize the use of Heavy and Newsweek, if not replace them entirely. For non-online sources I'll continue to search for as many as possible along with getting that book, although my ability to find them may be limited. I appreciate the library link you sent me by the way.
 * Tomorrow I'm going to start the DYK nomination, then assuming everything goes well, I'm going to take a little break from editing the page and hopefully start work on FA in a couple weeks or so. I'd definitely appreciate your CEs within the next few days. And finally, I left a little "special" surprise on your talk page :) PantheonRadiance (talk) 03:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Peer review
Hey,, long time no talk! I wanted to let you know that I'm considering opening a peer review this week so I can get guidance for the best courses of action to get it to FAC. My intent is to pre-emptively fix any issues beforehand so the FAC process goes as smoothly as possible. I'm inexperienced when it comes to this, so I figured that having some outside help would accelerate the progress of this article. So, I was wondering if you had any concerns or changes you want to make to the article in advance, or if you even recommend me doing this at all. Also, I'm still seeking sources for their parents too but school has admittedly limited my time a bit these past few months. Thanks, PantheonRadiance (talk) 23:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - Decided to go ahead with it. PantheonRadiance (talk) 23:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

The final video
Re-opening an old discussion as to the presence of his final video on the page. It is my opinion that this video is best sourced rather than included in-line on the page; while undeniably valuable to wider society, isn't really relevant to an encyclopedia. I believe the paragraph beginning "At midnight on June 20..." does a sufficient job of describing it.

TLDR: support deletion of "I'm sorry" due to copyright and significance questions. Couruu (talk) 16:18, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

EDIT: Removed the copyright complaint, but the relevance of the video question still stands. Couruu (talk) 16:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Youtube has an option to release videos CC-BY 3.0. This video was so licensed, as can be seen on its archived page (see License: Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed)). Vaticidalprophet 16:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you, I was unaware of that method! Still new to this. Let me edit my initial response. Couruu (talk) 16:23, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Retiring
Hey everyone, thanks for reading and editing Etika's article. I just wanted to let you know that after today's FA, I wish to retire from editing this article. Part of the reason I wanted to edit his page, and edit on Wikipedia in the first place is to get closure. After this past year, I feel I finally achieved this, while also giving back to both this website and his community. For all present and future editors reading this, all I ask of you is to please maintain this page as much as possible. Make sure to keep it up to Wikipedia's standards, and resolve all issues cordially and peacefully.

One last thing: if anyone's interested, I wrote a piece on Etika that I hope gets accepted to the Signpost this week. Here it is if you want to read it.

Thank you, PantheonRadiance (talk) 23:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Congrats bro! I watched your progress from afar starting with GA status and you never gave up. Even though no other article similar to Etika had ever reached FA status, you still persevered and got it done. Major respect to you. HappyBoi3892 (talk) 04:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the respect, and also for all your hard work on this article too! #joyconboyzforever PantheonRadiance (talk) 07:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for this article. I had a great time narrating it. ― Howard • 🌽33 09:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thx for getting this article to FA status and a prominent spot on the Main Page today, PantheonRadiance! I also enjoyed listening to it. Alexeyevitch (talk) 11:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you both, I appreciate it! That recording is such an amazing gesture too! 😊 PantheonRadiance (talk) 06:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Holy shit, Etika's Wikipedia article not only has FA status but is also on the front page now!?
Damn, never expected that. This is the world we live in now, lol. Zakawer (talk) 02:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Yep lol. Hopefully this will inspire more FAs on YouTubers in the future too! PantheonRadiance (talk) 07:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2024
Change "and that he hit had the police officer in self-defense" to "and that he had hit the police officer in self-defense". 84.35.17.96 (talk) 10:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Skyshifter   talk  11:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

MOS guidelines
It seems to me that the description of his disappearance, and what happened before and after that, is too detail, and may violate one of our MOS guideline. This may result in people copying the behaviour of killing oneself. This needs to be fixed ... (my comment perhaps is too late, as this article is the TFA yesterday, with over 120,000 pageviews; but I think there will still be some "residual traffic"..) -- Dustfreeworld (talk) 08:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey, Dustfreeworld. You may be thinking of MOS:SUICIDE, which is a part of MOS:MED, a "style guide for editing medical articles". As far as I'm aware, the MOS does not refer to suicide explicitly elsewhere. Do you have any other part of the MOS in mind?
 * I understand wanting to excercise some caution when it comes to a sensitive topic like this, but what part of the description is specifically objectionable to you? (I.e. what do you want to change and how do you want to change it?). To me, it looks like a fairly standard description of the events that led to his death, though the video does seem a bit voyeuristic to me. ArcticSeeress (talk) 10:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)