Talk:Etymology of Argentina

There seem to be factual errors in this article, stating that Argentina previously was the current land plus other countries. First, I'm not aware that Bolivia was part of Argentina even under Spanish rule. Maybe a few areas, but Bolivia was known as Alto Peru (higher Peru) before independence. Second, there was a long dispute for the southern territories with Chile (Patagonia, etc), so hardly could Argentina have the same official limits as today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.72.215.84 (talk • contribs)


 * The Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata did include all thouse countries. The Patagonia belonged to Spanish Chile way before the Viceroyalty of Peru was splet to create the one of the Rio de la Plata, though it didn't recongised it until 1881.
 * Please, check History of Paraguay and History of Bolivia, and perhaps this link. Mariano (t/c) 08:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Estados Unidos de la República Argentina????
The supposed use of the name Estados Unidos de la República Argentina is completely unsourced. I´ve been unable to found any authoritative source recording it as used in any official text. It appears in quotes (as part of discussions around the then future constitution) in Ravignani E. Historia constitucional de la República Argentina, vol. 3 p. 139, Buenos Aires : Peuser, 1926, quoting a speech of José Eugenio del Portillo during the Constitutional Congress of 1825-26, and in Levene R. Historia de la nación argentina: (desde los orígenes hasta la organización definitiva en 1862), Vol. 7 pt. 1 of "Historia de la Nación Argentina:, Academia Nacional de la Historia", p. 152, Buenos Aires : El Ateneo, 1939, quoting a reply of Pedro Feliciano Cavia y Caviedes to Portillo in the same Congress. Please note that Portillo is speaking about a future constitution and supporting the federal organization, that would allow a federal state encompassing also Paraguay and Bolivia. The only source making a brief (and unsourced) reference to any toher unspecifed usage of the name is Rosemblat A. Argentina, historia de un nombre. Buenos Aires : Nova, 1949 (several reprints exist). I've added a "fact" label, and would remove the name if no sources are added within a reasonable time. Thanks! Cinabrium (talk) 17:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say remove it. I've found no RS for it either (I'm an Argentine history buff). -- Alexf(talk) 20:14, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Since no new sources have appeared in a couple of months, I'm removing the discussed name. Cinabrium (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Etymology
Argentina is not from Latin, but from Italian. All the references given in the article are not directly linked with the word Argentina. According to the Latin dictionary I own (Gaffiot, also on line here : ) and the on line dictionary mentioned in this article, there is no Latin word argentina, but Latin words Argentīni, a people of Apulia and Argentīnus, a god of silver, but no trace of Argentina or argentina. No entry about argentina in the Medieval Latin dictionary by Du Cange on line here :

My conclusion is : there is no recorded Latin word argentina, but romance words : Italian argentina and French argentine meaning ″of silver″ (mentioned in French for the first time in the 12th century ). For sure, Italian argento and French argent ″silver″ are ultimately from vulgar latin argentu (Latin argentum), but the compounds It. argent-ina, Fr. argent-ine, in fact the derived words It. argentina and Fr. argentine were created in Romance. The country name Argentina is first mentioned on a Venitian map in 1536, in Latin I think, but probably as a translation from Italian. The original expression used by the Italian explorers (like Giovanni Cabotto) was probably initialy terra argentina ″land of silver″ (found as tierra argentina in a Spanish document) or less probably costa argentina. According to the Italian usage, la terra argentina ″the land of silver″ became l'Argentina, translated into Spanish la Argentina. Nortmannus (talk) 14:54, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Argentine or Argentina
There is very little about the name "Argentine" or "Argentina" in any of the sources presently in the article which are still available. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:33, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

In Agatha Christie's novel The Murder of Rodger Ackroyd (1926), "the Argentine" is named as the place where Hastings lives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2400:2410:8BE0:200:D0CE:8762:A076:7A8E (talk) 11:20, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Argentine
As for the dispute, there may sources that it may have been called "the Argentine" in English before it was called "Argentina", but "Argentina" became the common name long before it became what we would call a "country". — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 09:46, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Name of Argentina → Etymology of Argentina – This is meant to match other etymology articles so WP:PRECISE should apply. Catchpoke (talk) 02:32, 9 July 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.