Talk:Eugen d'Albert

Arthur Sullivan's Overture to "Patience"
Greetings, Eugen d'Albert aficionados.

I've started a discussion on Sullivan's talk page, here, about whether it was Eugene d'Albert who wrote the overture to the operetta "Patience", or his father Charles Louis Napoleon d'Albert. If you're interested, please go there and participate in the debate. JackofOz 02:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Resolved. -- Ssilvers (talk) 12:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Composer project review
I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This is a fine B-class article; looks like its well on its way to a Good or Feature level. I had some issues, more to do with how some things are presented; these are in my review on the comments page. Questions or comments should be left here or on my talk page.  Magic ♪piano 00:58, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Last weeks
An editor added this: "In the weeks preceding his death, D'Albert was the subject of a virulent public campaign, conducted by the press in Riga, against the composer's personal life. Waghalter, who was serving in 1932 as general music director of the National Opera in Riga, was among D'Albert's closest friends and defenders during this final sad period of the composer's life." Can anyone find references to verify this information? Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I have just added a reference, which is Waghalter's autobiography. Davidwgreen (talk) 10:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)davidwgreen

Thanks. I streamlined the info, as there was too much about Waghalter, and that info is in Waghalter's article or already mentioned. I also made the ref more complete. BTW, Waghalter's autiobiography does not come up on Google. Is the name exactly right? -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Misleading edit
It is misleading to state, without qualification, that Eugen d'Albert was "German". He was raised in Britain. He did not emigrate to Germany until the 1880s and became a Swiss citizen in 1914, so he spent only half his life in Germany. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:37, 23 February 2013 (UTC)


 * See WP:OPENPARA. Toccata quarta (talk) 22:45, 23 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I see the guideline. It says, "In most modern-day cases..."  This person is not modern-day, and this is a case that does not fall within "most", because it would be misleading to identify him as simply "German".   Can you explain why it would be more helpful to readers to leave this information out?  I believe that it would be misleading, as I have explained. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:41, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

German? Eh??
"It is misleading to state, without qualification, that Eugen d'Albert was "German"."

It's more than misleading -- it's nonsense.

Eugene's father was French (although born in (ethnic) Germany (the political Germany was in suspension from 1806 to 1871), in which Eugene's grandfather lived as an officer of the French army. (Remember that Napoleon held a lot of Germany then -- Beethoven was formally a subject of Napoleon's brother who was king of (inter alia) Bonn.)  Eugene's mother was English (from Newcastle).  Eugene was born in Glasgow.

Germany did not enter the equation until Eugene took a scunner against his homeland, ****ed off and took German citizenship -- which he than regretted; he ran away to Italy and then to Switzerland.

"German" and Germany was an incident, NOT an ethnicity nor a patriarchy. Eugene was a Scottish-born Franco-Englishman (of Italian extraction, I believe), and no more German than de Gaulle apart from a period of technical citizenry. Certainly, he was *NOT* a German composer! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyresider (talk • contribs) 20:32, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * See MOS:BIO. Toccata quarta (talk) 21:12, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can keep linking to more guidelines, but the situation here continues to be a good illustration of why the guidelines all say "In most ... cases".  -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:02, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

He was a swiss citizien, therefore we have to correct [unsigned by User:Lovemankind83]


 * His whole career was in Germany. He retired to Switzerland.  We already state in the article that he became a Swiss citizen. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:06, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorting
He was never French, so it seems inappropriate to sort him under A for "Albert, d'". He's referred throughout the article as "D'Albert", and I think most readers would expect to see him listed under D for "D'Albert" wherever his name appears in lists etc.

Comments? --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  19:49, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * If you are confident, go ahead and re-sort. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:10, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

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