Talk:Eureka Flag/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 04:48, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm fairly busy in RL, so this might be a slower process to get all the way through this moderate-length article. Not a flag expert, so there's an off-chance I might have to ping someone in if I get stuck on a vexillogical point.


 * Lead
 * Use the convert template to give measurements in American units as well (in/ft/yd/etc)
 * Summarize the variants stuff in the lead
 * First paragraph of the lead is a little confusing, it could use a little more on what went down before the casualties happened
 * " An estimated crowd of over 10,000 demonstrators" - This figure never seems to be mentioned in the body
 * "Twenty-two miners were officially listed as killed at the Eureka Stockade, along with seven troopers and police. Around 120 miners were arrested and many others badly wounded" - Add this to the body


 * History
 * "After gold prospectors had been offered 200 guineas for making payable discoveries within a 200-mile radius of Melbourne" - What's a payable deposit? Can this be briefly glossed in the article?
 * Link Guinea to the article about the coin - it's not gonna be a particularly well-known denomination. As an American, I have no familiarity with the coin, but know a bit about the country and bird with that name, for example.
 * " Licence inspections were treated as great sport being carried out" - Consider rephrasing "great sport" per WP:TONE.
 * "and was fined 5 pounds." - Link pounds to the correct money article
 * "That afternoon there was a paramilitary display on Bakery Hill where an oath was sworn to the Eureka Flag; in preceding weeks the men of violence had already been aiming musket balls at the barely fortified government camp during the night." -
 * "with the 40th regiment " - Do we know the exact name of this unit? 40th Regiment would not have been the complete name
 * Why isn't the oath swearing ever described in this section?

That's just a start, there'll be quite a bit more to come. Hog Farm Bacon 06:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Origin and symbolism
 * "According to some of their ancestors Anastasia Withers, Anne Duke and Anastasia Hayes were all involved in sewing the flag." - Ancestors seems rather implausible here, are you sure that's what the source says, not descendents or something like that?


 * Oath swearing
 * "In the subsequent Ballarat Times report of the oath swearing ceremony it was stated that:

"During the whole of the morning several men were busily employed in erecting a stage and planting the flagstaff. This is a splendid pole of about 80 feet and straight as an arrow. This work being completed about 11 o'clock, the Southern Cross was hoisted, and its maiden appearance was a fascinating object to behold. There is no flag in Europe, or in the civilised world, half so beautiful and Bakery Hill as being the first place where the Australian ensign was first hoisted, will be recorded in the deathless and indelible pages of history. The flag is silk, blue ground with a large silver cross; no device or arms, but all exceedingly chaste and natural."" - Use the block quote template to format this
 * " Although it is presently a carpark and for a hundred years was the location of a school, it will soon be the location of an apartment block" - Needs to be specified when this was as of (aka when the source is from)


 * Post-battle preservation
 * "When MADE closed in 2018, the interpretive centre came under the management of the City of Ballarat. The premises were opened once again to the public in April 2018, with the flag retained as the centrepiece of a visitor experience now branded as the Eureka Centre Ballarat, while remaining part of the art gallery collection" - Source access-date is in 2014, so this was added after the source and would need another reference. The source link is broken now, anyway.


 * Customary use
 * "mainly in relation to a variety of anti-establishment, non-conformist causes. Whilst some Australians view the Eureka Flag as a symbol of nationality" - Reference doesn't support this
 * "much to the frustration of more established socialist and progressive claimants. Depending on their political persuasion, these groups either see it as representative of the miner's efforts to free themselves from political or economic oppression, or their sentiments in favour of restricting non-white immigration and the eventual 1855 Chinese poll tax."
 * "To mark the sesquicentenary the flag was used extensively during the events that were organised to promote awareness of the occasion. It was flown within each state parliament building in Australia, the federal senate, and most prominently atop the Sydney Harbour Bridge."
 * "The Eureka Flag has been adopted by a variety of civic and political organisations, including the City of Ballarat and University of Ballarat, that use stylised versions in their official logo. It is used by several trade unions, including the CFMEU and ETU. The flag flies permanently over the Melbourne Trades Hall. The Prospectors and Miners Association of Victoria use it as their official flag." - Source only supports that it is used by the union movement, not these details
 * "The crew of HMAS Ballarat wear Eureka Flag insignia on their uniforms."[citation needed]


 * Standardized design
 * This entire section is uncited

More to come later. Hog Farm Bacon 05:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Derivatives and variants
 * Do reliable sources actually make a connection between the Roll Up Flag and the Eureka Flag? The only connection is an unsourced statement that some people claim there's a connection.  We need an actual RS to make the connection to include this material.
 * Almost this entire section is uncited.


 * Vintage star spangled Eureka Flag
 * "Prior to the Eureka Flag going on permanent display to the public it was often featured with no cross and free floating stars as per the Australian national flag, such as in the 1949 motion picture Eureka Stockade starring Chips Rafferty."
 * Honestly, this section should probably just be merged into the variants section


 * Eureka Jack
 * "Since 2012 various theories have emerged, based on the Argus account of the battle dated 4 December 1854, and an affidavit sworn by Private Hugh King three days later as to a flag being seized from a prisoner captured at the stockade, that a Union Jack, known as the Eureka Jack may also have been flown by the rebels. Readers of the Argus were told that: "The flag of the diggers, 'The Southern Cross,' as well as the 'Union Jack,' which they had to hoist underneath, were captured by the foot police."" -
 * "Peter Lalor made a blunder by choosing "Vinegar Hill" – the site of a battle during the 1798 Irish uprising – as the rebel password. This led to waning support for the Eureka rebellion as news that the issue of Irish independence had become involved began to circulate.[121][122]" - What makes this relevant to the rest of this section? It's not about the flag at all

Okay, so there's a lot here. I'll leave this open for a week. If there's no response within a week, I'll have to fail this. Once these gets addressed, I'll take a look at sourcing. Hog Farm Bacon 06:21, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Failing. Significant issues, no response here, and nominator has not been working on the article since the review opened. Hog Farm Bacon 16:53, 31 December 2020 (UTC)