Talk:Eurobeat

Sabi
This word just means "chorus," as in the chorus of a song. It's not specific to eurobeat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.102.91.180 (talk) 10:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Wrong, the word Sabi means 'climax portion of melody' in Japanese language.

Japanese Eurobeat
Is there such a term for this? Or is it all called Eurobeat regardless of who made the song? While I find this to be a very ridiculous question, a parallel question of this nature does exist. KyuuA4 16:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * J-euro? Basicly that's eurobeat sung in Japanese/sung by Japanese artists.
 * All the Japan-related stuff in the article is really contentious and needs sourcing. Particularly the supposedly authoritative discussion of song 'formulas' and beat types as if it is accepted knowledge, when it is nothing of the sort. IMHO a lot of that stuff needs cutting away until it can be show to be something more than fan pedantry and personal opinion; it's not encyclopedic. Gunstar hero —Preceding comment was added at 17:34, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I think a major pruning is required, or it should be shifted to another article. And there isn't a lot of information and history on the continent the genre originated from... 78.133.71.148 (talk) 13:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thirded. I find it absolutely laughable in a supposedly encyclopedic article.Jolta (talk) 22:10, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Labels
An anon added 'Discowarp' to the labels section. A google search returns 172 results... doesn't seem notable enough for an encyclopedia entry, since wikipedia is not an advertising vehicle. "Boom Boom Beat" sems to be linkspam as well so I'm removing that, the others listed are notable labels as far as I'm concerned.--W.marsh 06:16, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Apparently you have little to no knowledge of Eurobeat at all. Boom Boom Beat is a label, however it may not be high on the Search Engines - what is the point of removing it? I am adding it after posting this, to whoever edits this Eurobeat page in the furutre please have knowledge of Eurobeat before editing it - as, Hyper Techno is NOT Eurobeat - it has similiarities, as all Electronic music does. Please do research before blabbing about incorrect information.Krazyche3to 19:46, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Insulting people is not really a good way to make an argument. And I'll edit whatever pages I want, thank you very much.  But I'm not all that opposed to leaving Boom Boom Beat up there.
 * As for 24.11.86.142's edits, I still don't see how diskowarp belongs there. And saying "Your number one resource for Eurobeat information first" is pretty POV, so I'm reverting that.  --W.marsh 19:58, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * W.Marsh, BBB and Diskowarp are two important labels in the Eurobeat series, and as a wiki entry it would be proper to allow all truthful information on the genre there for those wanting to learn more. Limiting the information on this entry just because you don't know about it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be there. Be more open, learn more about the genre yourself, learn about what you have cited wrong and what you didn't know about, and everyone will benefit more from this entry. The last thing Eurobeat fans want is false information published about the genre... and just because you initiated this entree, it doesn't mean you know everything. There are multiple pieces of information on this page that are false as is. Don't taint the inquiring minds of Eurobeat with inaccurate information.


 * Disko Warp Records is in fact a record label making eurobeat music. This is a page about Eurobeat music. Why are they being removed?


 * Which of their songs is eurobeat, then? DiscoWarp is more of a dance music producing label than a eurobeat label.


 * Disko Warp has a song called "Pussy Game" on their website which is definitely eurobeat. I talk to Pete Ellison occasionally and he is in fact working on several eurobeat tracks. I've also added the eurobeat label The Paradise Last who's made a good amount of eurobeat songs which can all be heard on their website. Just because the artist's songs aren't on a worldwide label doesn't mean they don't make eurobeat. For God's sake people this is an internet page. Just fill it with the relevant details and not constricting it with your warped views on this is this and this is not this.


 * This page is really only relevant to the Eurobeat labels that evolved from Italo Disco to AVEX's Super Eurobeat... Diskowarp and others are just North American dance labels that out of every 4-5 songs they produce, sounds somewhat similar to Eurobeat. You could possibly add a section regarding the influence on this genre to other music / labels elsewhere in the world because a few independent dance labels have remixed Eurobeat songs to their style, or had their songs remixed to Eurobeat by Eurobeat labels... that does deserve some notoriety. BUT... to actually label Diskowarp as a label amongst the likes of A-Beat C, Delta, Time Records, etc. is a bit too far fetched. 216.113.168.128 (talk) 21:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

There is so much opinion and POV in this article that it is for the most part completely useless for information, and there are almost no dates for anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.170.59.139 (talk) 03:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Saiba?
Does anyone have any proof that "saiba" is a term used in the Eurobeat industry/scene? It doesn't turn up any relevant hits on Google and is not used by anyone on the Eurobeat Prime forum.
 * The term Saiba seems to be a typo - unless I'm gravely mistaken - of the term Sabi (short for Sabishigaru, not to be mistaken for another Japanese term, Wabi-sabi), which is a japanese term meaning "to remember someone or something". This refers to the simple fact that you usually remember the chorus (refered to as Sabi) opposed to the rest of a Eurobeat song when you hear it for the first time, rather than the actual lyrics (which can sometimes be rather mind-boggling when you sit down and try to decipher them). People often talk about the "Eurobeat Blueprint" as being: Intro -> A-melody (verse) -> B-melody (bridge) -> Sabi (refrain) -> Intro -> A-melody and so on. (Also notice how those 4 terms can form the word SABI...coincidence?)
 * --Daniel V. Gruno 01:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm a little confused, "sabisigaru" in modern Japanese doesn't mean to remember someone, but rather to feel lonesome/miss somebody. --110.233.187.97 (talk) 14:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It's because the term originally comes from Japanese-style music where the singer is emoting their loneliness. c.f. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B5%E3%83%93  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.114.147.77 (talk) 15:51, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

<!-- == Re: Legality of downloading Eurobeat ==

Though it's legal criminally, it's morally wrong. Unlike North American labels and artists, Eurobeat Artists do not create the kind of revenue one may think they do, therefore downloading their music rather than buying it can hurt them. Artists and Producers have commented on this issue in the past, showing how they do not support the act of downloading their music. Sure, downloading a few songs here and there to sample is accepted, but not laying a dime down to support these musicians, producers and labels does have a negative impact.

"When I deal with this topic I get very angry. (Those) who get songs from Internet is just a thief. I (won’t) add more or I will say something wrong. It is absurd...and no one knows a solution for this serious problem." - Alessandra Gatti (Domino)

Buying Eurobeat isn't as "obscure" as it's made out to be, as there are many websites where you can buy new releases from (CDJapan, HMV.co.jp, for example.) You can also buy used albums and vinyls from various online used music retailers (GEMM.com, for example,) and from online auction sites (eBay, Yahoo Auctions Japan).

If online shopping isn't your thing, you can still get it in around your area. If you have shops that sell asian records, you could possibly ask them to order in albums for you. Generally, dealers that sell merchandise at Anime Conventions will have SEB Albums for sale, too. Also, from time to time, you can stumble upon new albums, or used albums and vinyls in various music retailers.

Re: Re Legality of downloading Eurobeat
How is it legal? Casey J. Morris makes a good point... I have bought and continue to buy these albums however, it gets annoying when you have to buy an entire album for one artist that you like. Why don't the more popular artists like Franz Tornado, Bazooka Girl, and D.Essex/Niko have their own albums? Also, have any of the record labels even tried distributing and/or touring? I'd love to see Franz Tornado and Bazooka Girl in concert.
 * Well, for starters, many of the "artists" are the same singers as other "artists" with different models. Concerts would, naturally, ruin the slick, sexy image (since the singers are neither) and it's not like music this heavily produced lends itself to live performance.  I read somewhere, and I don't know that it's true, but it's illustrative, anyway, that Italo-Disco got its start from people playing keyboards with one finger and speeding the music up afterward.  My point is that talent's not what gets you through the door here.  &mdash;Casey J. Morris 01:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Though we probably agree, I'm nonetheless gonna disagree with Casey J. Morris in terms of semantics. Talent is without a doubt what gets people through the door in the Eurobeat genre - rarely do you see people who can put together solid tunes on such a short notice and still maintain the complexity and vigorance that Eurobeat has. I have yet to see Elton John or Britney Spears release a new album every month and still manage to create (somewhat) new sounds that continuously change the spectre that is Eurobeat. I have often, in working with Eurobeat, stumbled upon "easter eggs" from Eurobeat artists, that have been as far from Eurobeat as possible, and they truly highlights the core of these people; People that love music beyond anything else. This, however, also reveals a more "dark" side of the Eurobeat genre, so to speak, as many artists produce Eurobeat because they enjoy to create, not necessarilly because they are Eurobeat, and that may prove to be difficult to act like on stage. Your point about playing Eurobeat live being like a professor in quantum physics trying to explain the theory of relativity to a dog may have some truth to it, albeit many have succeeded in doing so - the "behind the scenes" videos available at the SCP web site alone is proof of this (I would also be so bold as to say that foresaid videos are proof that many artists do indeed possess the looks required to perform live). The main problem, as I see it, is the density of the Eurobeat fans (or the lack thereof) - it simply seems economically unfeasible to attempt to make concerts as the - you may or may not agree to this - relatively small amount of people listening to Eurobeat is spread over too vast an area to get enough people assembled (Japan not included).
 * --Daniel V. Gruno 00:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * "I have bought and continue to buy these albums however, it gets annoying when you have to buy an entire album for one artist that you like. Why don't the more popular artists like Franz Tornado, Bazooka Girl, and D.Essex/Niko have their own albums?"
 * The reason why artists don't release self titled albums is becuase they simply don't sell. The latest artist album release was of Nuage, the sales numbers for that album compaired to a single Super Eurobeat album to compair was so weighted, in favor for the Super Eurobeat album. The reason why avex continues to release complations of the music with multiple labels is because only a section of the fanbase would buy music from one artist, and one label, when the whole of the fanbase will buy an album with every label contributing. The Super Eurobeat series supports all the labels, and a fan of ABeatC would buy the album for the ABeatC songs, as would a fan of Time Records for the Time songs, or a fan of Delta for the Delta songs. The only popular artist albums that sold were those of Dave Rodgers and Domino, and they do not have a chance anymore to reach the populairty in Japan that they had in 2000, as the whole ParaPara boom has died down - which was a main driving force that opened the window of opportunity for single artists to release solo albums.

Looking for concert dvd or online video
I'm looking for a convert dvd or online video of Franz Tornado and/or Bazooka Girl. If you have/find any please post it here.

Sample
How about a sample? Look at shoegazing... it has a sample clip on its page... how about a sample that adheres to the description shown in the "formula" section? -71.49.163.77 03:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC) -->

Wrong Information...
This goes for not only this entry but all the other entries regarding Eurobeat, the artists etc... can we stop posting wrong information and rumors? If you only think you know something don't state it as fact. Thanks... 66.183.157.253 19:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Chapter One Records and Para Para Records
Why isn't there any information about these? Also, there doesn't seem to be anything about the j-euro from DJ Yosshi etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.225.89.110 (talk) 15:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Unnecessarily long?
I feel like this entire article is extremely long-winded and confusing, especially if you're not already somewhat familiar with eurobeat. 76.170.96.120 (talk) 07:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Absurdly long, lacks references
This whole article has next to no references for a large amount of text and contains way too much information, especially considering that most of it is not useful/even necessarily comprehensible to someone not already familiar with the genre. If all that detail really is necessary, it needs to be referenced correctly, especially when claims about an artist or label's importance or legacy are made. Also, since the article describes two distinct genre of music that share a name but have disparate stylistic, geographical and cultural origins, perhaps two pages are necessary. 58.6.184.163 (talk) 07:41, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Removed section "labels and sub-genres"
Which was a mess of unencyclopedic tone and had absolutely no references, in addition to being overly long and detailed. With the separate category for artists and list of compilations this is redundant information anyway. The talk page indicates people finding the section problematic as far back as 2007/8 with no constructive attempts to alter the material.203.166.241.200 (talk) 10:16, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Removal of the "sabi" section.
As the whole segment was nonsensical, I've simply removed it. Sabi in modern Japanese simply means the chorus, and the most accepted etymology is that it derives from sabigoe (寂声), a term used to describe a particular type of voice in traditional Japanese music/theater. And yes, sabigoe has everything to do with wabi-sabi. Bidouleroux (talk) 18:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Comment
Is it just me, or is this article dripping with sarcasm? Eg. "Often these lyrics are extremely original and feature intricate vocals, such as the sole use of clever words such as fire and desire[sic]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.146.60.144 (talk) 00:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Maybe we should list this article for deletion
It's pretty much one big [citation needed] and even its definition is uncited and it's been that way for years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.82.82 (talk) 10:37, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * It seems preposterous that we should axe the article about an obviously-important musical genre because the article isn't very good. 73.114.147.77 (talk) 15:49, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

British Eurobeat origin
The info box reads that British Eurobeat has its origins in Britpop, Euro disco and dance-pop and that it appeared in the mid 80s. The article for Britpop defines it as a sub-genre of alternative rock and that it appeared in 1992 in UK (so, at least the place is correct) according to:

"Journalist John Harris has suggested that Britpop began when Blur's single "Popscene" and Suede's "The Drowners" were released around the same time in the spring of 1992."

So, how is this possible? Did any Britpop artist travel back in time to influence on British Eurobeat? Can anyone fix this time paradox? Thanks (in advance?,... he, he)!

George Rodney Maruri Game (talk) 07:08, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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The truth history about Eurobeat
Check it out: http://eurobeat-prime.com/history.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by WesternUniverse (talk • contribs) 22:05, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

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Why are the audio files so LOUD?
Is it just me, or are the two examples at the top unnecessarily loud? Even with my headphones on 50% volume (Ubuntu) playing them at the start was extremely loud, especially the sounds at the start and I could hear it clearly even if my headphones are on the table. Reduce volume edit? --Liftyee (talk) 21:45, 10 January 2021 (UTC)