Talk:Eurodance/Archive 1

Canada
Eurodance is popular and still is popular in Canada why is Canada erased? Toronto radio stations like Z103.5 in Toronto this used to be a dance music only radio station but is a traitor to the dance music community when they switch to top 40 r and b hip hop trash format but still play Eurodance and new dance music releases. On wednesday nights fom 10pm to 1am Z103.5 play classic 90s eurodance in a toronto nightclub. Choc 105.1 FM this station is a dance music station from 10pm until 6 am the rest of the day it is french radio station at nights it is called energy 105.1 chin radio 100.7 has a dance music program from 12 midnight to 6 am and Canada also has new Dance music cable channel called BPM TV(beats per minute) Canada should be on that list along with Europe and Oceania

South America????
like the entire sub-continent I doubt it!, couls you post links about how popular the dance music in Peru, Mexico or Bolivia. Please!, it's popular only in SOME countries of the AMERICAS NOT IN ALL THE COUNTRIES!!

CARIBE AND BRAZIL????
Is eurodance/techno music popular in the Caribe and Brazil??????

who add them??

could someone add sources??

otherwise i'll delete them.

Why wasn't Argentina in the popularity section
I've just added after all that's the country where the most popular creamfields is, besides it host many eurodance festivals and it's the most popular music after rock music over there.

This Wiki article needs to be revised (in my opinion)
There is a huge problem with this Eurodance wiki article.

In fact, the first sentence of this wiki article is "Eurodance (sometimes called "europop") is a style of dance music that was popular in Europe, Oceania and South America between 1992 and 1997."

1) It fails to mention Canada's role in Eurodance music. Numerous Canadian groups have created Euro music, which have been extremely popular in Europe. Groups include Emjay, Capitol Sound, BKS, Joee, Laya, etc. The two major Canadian cities which support Eurodance on the radio and in music clubs are Toronto and Montreal. Canadian music influences European music, and vice versa.

2) It defines Eurodance as existing between 1992 to 1997, but some may argue that Eurodance, in its infancy years, starts in the late 1980's. Music collectors from www.eurodancehits.com generally agree to this fact. Eurodance actually became commercially popular around 1990 with Snap! - Rhythm is a Dancer (at least in North America). Also, one may also argue that Eurodance didn't die out in 1997, and even music released today can be considered "Eurodance". (e.g. Lasgo, Ian van Dahl, and other "vocal Trance" groups)

3) Overall, this article needs to be cleaned up to be more objective, especially if it's talking about music. For instance, the first sentence implies Europop and Eurodance are the same types of music, but they are not. People who are music collectors and DJs can easily differentiate between these styles.

Before I edit this wiki article, I just wanted to know what others thought about it. Also, what other changes can be made to this article? - Enchantedsky


 * 1. I lived in Romania when this Eurodance mania was at its peak. People from Romania can tell you how they were driven mad by Solid Base or Jessica Jay or Ace of Base "over-broadcasting". I know by heart tens of the albums of the artists reffered here - while I haven't heard of any of those Canadian acts.
 * 2. We should stick to a live definition. Is Digitally Imported broadcasting on its Eurodance channel stuff like Snap, Leila K etc.? Those were people who later contributed to Eurodance, but weren't really on the Eurodance thing at that moment.
 * 3. Eurodance is seen as a lollypop. You have all those fancy dressed girls which change the band all the time, and then on studio recordings there's somebody else singing, and we don't know some of the names. Besides that, Eurodance died not only as performance, but as audience too, before the internet became today's affordable marketplace and agora, hence official sources are hard to find. These things made the work on this article more dificult and less rewarding.
 * I am pretty sure this is not the final form, but that's not due to whatever happened before 1992.--Luci_Sandor (talk, contribs) [[Image:Flag of Europe.svg|20px]] [[Image:Flag of New Jersey.svg|20px]] 00:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) I have never heard of those Canadian acts, maybe they didn't have international success. I don't know exactly in which countys this sound was succesfull, but I know that it was very big in Europe, but not in U.S.. It makes no sense to list all those groups according to their origin. Better would be a list of titles with the appendet act, that reached big international success. E.g. rhythm is a dancer - snap, it's my life - dr. alban, mr. vain - culture beat, be my lover - la bouche....
 * 2) I think the first eurodance-track is "rhythm is a dancer" and that was released in 1992. Of course there was a likewise sound before, but typical eurodance sounds very similar to this title. In Germany, after 1995 this kind of eurodance wasn't very successfull anymore but related sounds (which still might be called eurodance).
 * 3) Right, maybe a lot of people define eurodance in a different way. Not all dance-music that is produced or succesfull in Europe is eurodance. Ace of base, for example is pop.--81.210.135.35 20:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you just SAY IS POPULAR IN AMERICA AND YOU COVER ALL THE COUNTRIES IN THE CONTINENT??????????????????????????????????

Ace of Base
Does 'Ace of Base' fall into this genre?
 * I think not, but Ace of Base is Europop...

Daze
First we have this statement:
 * One important cliche in eurodance was sung parts that consisted of meaningless lyrics (such as "Um-bap-paa-ea-ea Um-bap-paa-oo" in Daze's hit single Superhero...

Then a bit later we have this:
 * Some artists, like Aqua, Daze or Hit'n'Hide are not usually considered eurodance, but fall into the bubblegum pop category.

First we mention it as an example of eurodance and later on we say that it is not. This should be fixed. The question is whether Daze is considered eurodance or not?

Canada
I added a slew of Canadian eurodance artists that had hits nationally and worldwide. However, I don't have enough information about the artists/bands individually (except their hit singles)... perhaps someone with more knowledge should start links for each of them. Is it right to include popular Canadian DJ's Chris Sheppard (DJ) and MC Mario, who helped make eurodance in Canada a commercial success through their compilation CD's? Trappy 05:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

United States
Those artists listed are not even eurodance and neither is their music. It's called "Eurodance" for a reason. It seems someone went on an ego trip.

Also, I find so many artists listed in the wrong country! Regardless of ethnic origiin, birthplace, or residencey, they should be listed by production-based.


 * Disagree. Eurodance because is a type of dance music different for what USA ppl understand about this (Information Society).

N*Sync
I don't think that N*Sync should be included in this list of Eurodance artists, they were/are a pop boyband. Trappy 20:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * N*sync is indeed no Eurodance, I guess it would be Europop instead. That article is actually just as bad as this one (a short explanation, a long list of artists and it includes many artists that don't belong to the genre). One could come to think that both genres are actually the same. Black1Night 20:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Everybody Read This!!!
If you would like to contribute to this article, please refrian from putting misleading information or irrelevant tidbits that nobody cares to know (You are not cool!).

Do a deligent research about this genre (Eurodance Encyclopedia is a good start).

Origins? / First Eurodance Song?
Im very tempted to write the first Eurodance song was Captain Hollywood's "More and More", but see a claim that Eurodance began in the late 1980s. Was there any Eurodance as we know it back then or was it just house music? Specifically was anybody using the rap+Hi-NRG duet format?

Also wasnt it called Euro-NRG in the beginning? I never heard the name "Eurodance" until a few years later.

The article really needs to be simplified and concentrate more on the music style itself. We've got every dance artist since the Bee Gees listed as a "notable" eurodance act. We've got a list of countries as long as your arm, when most of this music came from just three countries: Germany, Italy, and Denmark.

Id like to clean up the article but dont want to clobber anything just because its about a band i never heard before or a country i never associated with eurodance.


 * Well.. there's a LOT of difference from 90s Eurodance from today.. just listen Masterboy and Real McCoy

List of Artists
The list of artist by country ought to be moved to the "list of artists" article.

How do you dance to it?
Shouldnt there be a section on what moves go with eurodance, or did people just mosh to it on the dance floor?

Also was there ever a distinct subculture that went along with the music?

Article split
Will be better split this article.. there's a lot of difference of 90's Eurodance (Masterboy, Fun Factory, Real McCoy, DJ Bobo, Whigfield) from current eurodance artists. '''Eurodance is not simply dance music from Europe. It's a specific type of music of a specific time (1993-1996).'''

'''→It's a matter of perception, to you it's 1993-1996. There are many others who will argue that it's an evolving form of European Dance Music, hence the term "EURO".

'''For example, would you make a distinction of HipHop music from the 90's to now? or is it just HipHop music to you?'''

'''Lets not forget, there are many EURODANCE sites out there that are providing latest informations, samples, and media clips about dance music from Europe! Not Trance sites, Not Techno sites, but EURO sites!'''

A Dutch view
Here in The Netherlands the term Eurodance is not widely known. Until around 1996-97 most people tended to call it just house. At that time the traditional Eurodance records were made, by groups consisting of a male (black) rapper and a (mostly blonde) singer (Snap!, La Bouche, Cappella, 2 Unlimited etc...). This is the period which I would consider Eurodance. After 1997 most rappers had disappeared and their parts were replaced by sung verses. This was the point where all the (Danish) Bubble gum acts started blooming and making use of the genre (Aqua, Toy-Box, Daze).

Until around the year 2000 songs were still considered Eurodance, which was now referring to mainstream dance music with a catchy (sing-a-long-able) chorus and optimistic (simple) melodies (Eiffel 65, Sash!, Vengaboys). At this time people started calling it dance music.

Due to artists like Tiësto, Johan Gielen, Ferry Corsten, and William Orbit, many people started labelling any dance music Trance after the year 2000, including Milk Inc. and Lasgo. This is the period when people believed that Eurodance was something of the past. Personally, I believe that this music is the same genre as late 1990s eurodance, only in a more modern way. The late nineties dance itself is clearly a continuation of 1980s pop and dance music (Stock Aitken and Waterman, Madonna). In a sense Rumanian bands like Akzent and O-Zone should then also belong to the genre. However, I think the 1992-1997 eurodance is really different from the rest. Because of its rapper-singer structure it does not fit into the natural process of 1980s dance music to that of 2006.

Eurodance really is a specific genre in music and is not bound to borders I think. An American could hypothetically make Eurodance as well. It's only called Eurodance because it's large popularity over there and because of the amount of groups coming from there. Black1Night 23:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * In 1997 eurodance was already down.. 1994-1995 was really eurodance period phenomenon with some of 1996 last standings. --Ciao 90 00:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

What Eurobeat REALLY is....
I think you guys are misguided. Does it really matter where we arbitrarilly place the beginning and the end of Eurodance? Trying to dicover that one record where we can say "yeah, this is it, this is the beginning of eurodance" is kind of a waste of time. it is even more pointless to argue as to whether this act or that is technically eurodance. instead, we need to look at the places where eurobeat really took off, like on European MTV, on certain dance radio stations, in certain clubs, and on the pages of Bravo and Popcorn. We nned to focus on how exactly the music got around, and who exactly listened to it. Only after examining the path the music took after it left the studio can we arrive at a definition of what eurodance really was. how else can you even imagine fitting a song like "Mr. Vain" in the same Genre as a song like "Coco Jambo"? We all know that they belong in the same genre, but if asked why and left only to an analysis of the music itself, we would draw a blank. Thats because the answer is in things like similarities in artist presentation, music videos, marketing, and in appearances on the same mix cds and BRAVO super show compilations. on the other hand, some of the definitions and conceptions of eurodance on this sight are so questionable that one could very well argue that acts like The Fugees and Cypress Hill are Eurobeat. And they're not.

I'm not being bitchy or anything, i just wanted to share my take on the situation. its not that I don't like losing whole days pondering questions about which was the first Eurodance album, its just that i found that doing so gets you nowhere. I think that all of those who love the sound love the art, the videos, the feeling that we know was in the air at the time. Getting back to that feeling should be our job.


 * The question is, is Eurodance something of the past or is it still a living genre? Black1Night 12:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Since 1997 the sound was not the same, but the rhythm-roots is heard until today for example with Lasgo. The fact is there's a specific time period that genre showed their original characteristics and lots of difference exists from 90's artists comparing today and end of 90s. --Ciao 90 00:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you're pretty right here, along with the remark that it died out even before 1997. Though e.g. La Bouche's Be My Lover sounds a lot different from what we would consider modern "eurodance". Black1Night 20:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

i think its, to pardon the pun, dead as disco. Sure a lot of the acts still exist, and similar dance music is still being made, but the feeling that radiates off of the cover of a culture beat record is gone. The muscular black dude with the cool shades, the futuristic fonts, and the names of the groups...When i'm really down i head over to the used cd store and just read some of the names of groups on dance compilations from the 90's; Zhi-vago, 2 Brothers on the 4th Floor, etc., and i'm happy again. That's what I'm talking about. That's the feeling behind the music, or, more appropriately, Eurodance is the music behind that feeling. And it's gone. One song did it, too. Can you guess which one?


 * No, I have no idea what in particular is to blame. I agree that the early eurodance tracks had common videos etc. (=fooling around with colours and other technical things) but I'm not sure whether this was the general way of making videos in the earlie 1990s or if it was unique. Videos after 1994/1995 were in any case similar to pop music videos, except for some more dancing maybe. But do you perhaps know what genre the newer music belongs to? I'm thinking of e.g. the acts I mentioned earlier (Eiffel 65, Sash!, Vengaboys, Milk Inc., Lasgo, O-Zone & Akcent). Perhaps we could get to know what it really is when we know what it definitely is not. Black1Night 09:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

A view from the USA
Here, "eurodance" usually means what was produced from about 1993-1997. Often it also includes the Danish bubblegum groups that were popular around the end of that time and sometimes it includes trance music, but that's about it. It isn't taken to mean any dance music from Europe.

I see a lot of styles that were around before Eurodance are getting grouped in. Latin freestyle is not Eurodance. Hi-NRG ( like Stock, Aiken, and Waterman ) is not Eurodance. House music is not Eurodance.

It's a little easier from this part of the world to arbitrarily pick a begin and end year because it's a tough market for dance music. There really were only a few years here where this kind of music was popular. Part of what made it special was that you generally had to go to a club or be very tuned in to hear this music.

It could be useful to debate some candidates for "first" Eurodance song in the article, so we can show where it evolved from house, Hi-NRG, etc. The "disco" article has a similar list, and i think it does a good job.

But i would say that it's the keyboarding more than anything else that defines Eurodance. There's a few elements that almost all of these songs have, like a "chunky" piano sound, a "hurdy gurdy" organ sound, and a "fanfare" sound. 141.154.23.254 04:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Planning an extensive rework of the article
Planning to simplify the article based on the German and Italian-language "Eurodance" articles. Planning to move list of artists section into the "List of eurodance artists" article. Planning to talk more about the music itself. Cool? Squidfryerchef 16:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

What about Canada???
"Candance" as we call them in Europe, has significant dance music scene that is very similar to Eurodance. Also, some eurodance artists from have performed in Canada.

Ever heard of Candance artists such as Joee, Capital Sound, Emjay, Yazoo, Nadia, Sabrina Paris, DJ Rad, or Zoe??? and more!

Today, the Euro scene is still strong in that country, especially in Toronto. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.20.221.90 (talk • contribs).


 * I agree, as I had mentioned above, that Canada needs better representation in this article. The euro-dance and can-dance scenes were extremely popular in the cities of Toronto and Montreal especially.  Both DJ's Chris Sheppard (Toronto) and MC Mario (Montreal) played to packed clubs every week, their shows went "Live to Air" on a regular basis, and their CD compilations were top sellers in Canada.  MuchMusic, the country's music tv station, aired a live show called Electric Circus every Friday night that showcased the best in Canadian and European Dance Music.  Energy 108, a Toronto radio station, was immensely popular and staged an annual concert called "Energy Rush" which showcased the best in dance music talent.  Today its referred to as "Hot Rush", as it is affiliated with the current dance music station Hot 103.5.  This is only a taste of what occured during the 90's Can-Dance scene, now its just a matter of finding the right sources to reference in this article.  Trappy 22:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

List of Eurodance artists needs to be cleaned up!!!!
There are so many artists on that list that DO NOT belong in the eurodance genre, it is so ridiculous! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.20.221.90 (talk • contribs).