Talk:Europa (consort of Zeus)

Europa as the continent's name
The continent of Europe is called Europa in all Germanic languages except English, in Hungarian (Európa) and in all Slavic languages that use the Latin alphabet, as well as in Greek and Latin.


 * I do not get it. Europe is called Europa in English too, unless you count only exact spelling. If that is so, Europa is not used in all slavic languages using latin alphabet, because there is also different spelling used (Evropa). --Kyknos 15:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you'll edit the passage to render it sensible. --Wetman 18:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It should be changed to "latin languages" 'cause it's Europa in spanish, romanian, portuguese and italian, but the french as usual decided to complicate and use europE so "most of latin languages" it's ok. right?


 * In greek it isn't called Europa, but Evrope where the "E" is pronounced as in estimate and "ope" is pronounced as in Penelope.


 * I think it's silly to say which languages Europe is called Europa in those exact words. I've changed it to a comment about the etymology, because splitting hairs on Europe vs Europa is just a waste of time for what is really a minor tangent off topic. LupusCanis 23:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Secondly, zeus didn't just take her to crete and gave her gifts and was such a sweet man, he did raped her, "...Once on the shore of Crete, Zeus raped Europa under a cypress tree." (from another site about the girl). So it's sort of tragic thing and not heroic like the text tries to impose. I just don't know if he raped her as a bull or as a man, cause the site also states that "...Such an act of abduction, bestiality and sexual abuse is illegal in every civilised society in the world, and yet it is a symbol of the EU..."


 * This confuses myth, fiction, conventions of narrative realism, tragedy, pathos, ethics, gender issues and political correctness in a perfectly inextricable fashion. No one can help, i'm afraid... --Wetman 00:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Pseudo-Apollodoros needs an article
In the reference list, Pseudo-Apollodoros is a red link. Our disambiguation page for Apollodoros has no page to point to that would define him. There is enough info sitting around in WP to sort this out. Given enough patience, a person could use catalog.loc.gov or www.perseus.tufts.edu to find out the best official way of referring to this person. He is certainly notable! EdJohnston 22:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

The phantom which is given the name is simply the author of Bibliotheke ("the Library"), long misidentified with Apollodorus. This virtual author has no real-world identity apart from his creation, as with almost any author named "Pseudo something." But compare Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite, pseudonymous author of a shelf-load. --Wetman 00:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction
The article states that Homer does not mention Europa. Yet, it also asserts that she's mentioned in the Illiad as "the daughter of Agenor's son." Since the Illiad is traditionally attributed to Homer, isn't this self-contradictory? 24.69.166.95 20:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Oop. Not the first error in Wikipedia, either. --Wetman 07:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * So which is correct? Also, the depicted Argive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaeans) genealogy tree has Europa as the daughter of Agenor, and the sister of Phoenix.  If the Iliad states she's the "daughter of Agenor's son," (does it really?) she should be placed accordingly. Mollynet (talk) 15:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

The Continent
Aren't the two names, for the girl and the continent, separate, i. e. two names that evolved into the same for different reasons? See the etymology in Europe —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexlykke (talk • contribs) 11:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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BCE switched to BC: Be aware
User:Varlaam, a "Senior Editor" who does in fact know better, changed all the BCE dates to BC last July, and falsified the record by switching the commented-out notice "this article has used the BCE/CE convention", which is intended to alert editors to this kind of thing,in order to cover his tracks. The article has used the convention BCE/CE since 16 December 2004. I would have posted a polite note at User talk:Varlaam, but I know the response I'd get. An IP without a logged-in account making the same moves would normally get a template vandalism notice. --Wetman (talk) 02:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I changed them back. SQGibbon (talk) 07:25, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This edit switched it again with the edit summary: "If you don't like relating dates to the Lordship of Christ, come up with your own calendar instead of bastardising ours!" I personally use BC/AD, but have switched back per MOS:ERA. davidiad.: 22:47, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Unnecessary comment
"The daughter of the earth-giant Tityas and mother of Euphemus by Poseidon was also named Europa."

I don't think this comment should be part of this article since this article is about the main Europa character in Greek mytholoy. I think it should be eliminated or added to a separate article.

ICE77 (talk) 05:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Etymology
Here is text I found embedded in an HTML comment in the article and removed it for placement here where it seems more appropriate as an idea for future improvement when and if a source is found:

The following essay needs a source: The myth that the continent Europe is named after a princess (Euroopè) from Tyre with a wide (euro-) eyed (oopè) face is obvious popular etymology possibly dealing with a Semitic borrowing. The link with Tyre alerts one to the fact that the Greek word bears suspicious similarity with the Semitic root ERB (`ayn-raa'-baa') which has the meaning "westerner","alien" and "desert dweller" (being a cognate of the Semitic root GRB — ghayn-raa'-baa'). It is the root behind the word Arab (EaRaB) and — with metathesis — possibly also behind the word Hebrew (EiBR). The source for the name Europè may therefore have been a Semitic, possibly Phoenician word close to the pattern EuRuuB meaning "stranger" or "westerner". Supporting evidence comes from similar Greek folk etymologies, e.g., in the name Pontos Euxeinos ("hospitable sea") for "Black Sea" were the Greek Euxeinos replaced the Aryan (Persian or Scythian) word Akshinas "black".

I think this is just a variant on the alternative etymology already suggested. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 16:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Etymology
The Etymology can be explained through the ancient term "TAUROPA"; Taur or Taurus which meant "bull" with ending (R)opa, which meant αίμα ("blood"). (k)αίμα (k)rpa or (K)RB or KRV in Indo European Satem language, which means "BLOOD". There was no "Arabic", "Akkadian"(despite of the FACT that even old Akkadian contained Sanskrit & Indo European Satem roots), "Hebrew" origin of Europa, which is of purest Indo European linguistic root. Other claims are occult nonsense without any historial background. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.210.250.12 (talk • contribs) 10:13, 24 February 2014‎
 * Is this your own speculation, or can you point us to a reliable source which says this? Paul August &#9742; 11:40, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Unclear family tree
I'm not sure about the other connections, but on the tree it currently looks like Europa might be the mother of Zeus. Instead Zeus raped her. Also, it doesn't say what the dashed lines represent. Anna (talk) 00:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

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Contradiction
It is clear that we are talking about the knowledge that the Greeks had about ethniticities, so it needn't be without contradictions, but Europa was the sister of Phoenix, the forefather of the Phoenicians in Greek mythology, thus Europa can't be of Phoenician origin if the line was yet to exist. It is a logical point of internal coherence, which ought to be highlighted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.54.64.85 (talk) 12:42, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

There is no mention of Europa in Iliad
The article states that the first reference to Europa is in Iliad, but I consulted 2 different translations and did not find such a reference. Can someone confirm if this information is false or can I delete that part? Barbar02 (talk) 08:19, 5 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Zeus, speaking to Hera, refers to Europa without actualy naming her.
 * οὐδ᾽ ὅτε Φοίνικος κούρης τηλεκλειτοῖο,
 * ἣ τέκε μοι Μίνων τε καὶ ἀντίθεον Ῥαδάμανθυν:
 * "nor of the daughter of far-famed Phoenix, that bare me Minos and godlike Rhadamanthys" (Iliad 14.321) NebY (talk) 19:32, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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