Talk:Europa XS

Wing section
I remember reading years ago (early '90s, probably in Pilot magazine) that the wing section was specially created by someone who had previously worked on the Airbus and that section gives the Europa its combination of high cruising speed and relatively short take-off. Something about this in the article would be nice. Man with two legs 12:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Attempted to address this Sarf (talk) 21:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The wing was designed by Don Dykins. Arrivisto (talk) 13:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Elevation to B-class
I have decided that this article fulfills the b-class article criteria, and it has been changed.ANHL, Wikiproject Aircraft Member.ANHL (talk) 13:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Infobox date
Says produced from 1987. This looks too early: the prototype G-YURO (now in the Elvington museum, cf Wrecks & Relics 22nd ed p.262) was registered in 1992 (http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=YURO).TSRL (talk) 11:04, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah! This is from Jane's 1999/00:"Design started January 1990; prototype (G-YURO) made first flight 12 September 1992. PFA certification achieved May 1993; produced mainly in kit form under PFA auspices, but two assembled by Europa Aviation in 1994 and further three followed by 1996; first customer-built aircraft (G-OPJK) flown 14 October 1995." (http://www.aero.pub.ro/wp-content/themes/aero.pub.ro/uploads/JANE_S_ALL_THE_WORLD_S_AIRCRAF/JANE_S_ALL_THE_WORLD_S_AIRCRAF/jawa1071.htm)TSRL (talk) 11:13, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

MidWest AE series
"Ivan Shaw had intended to specify the derivative MidWest AE series wankel engine as an option on the Europa Classic, but carburation issues led Shaw to drop this plan.{citation needed}"

I can't provide a citation, but Ivan told me this many years ago at a PFA Rally at Kemble. The MidWest engine was originally fitted with Tillotson carbs that proved unsuitable for the Wankel engine. Some MidWest engines, (on two ARV Super2s) were later fitted with a fuel injection system "borrowed" from the Triumph TR7, which not only solved the problem, but eliminated the need for carb-heat. By then, Europas were specified with the Rotax 914, MidWest were bypassed, and the rest is history. Arrivisto (talk) 17:16, 29 May 2016 (UTC)


 * It is a good story, but need WP:RS to keep it! - Ahunt (talk) 03:02, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

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Name change
I suggest this article's name be changed from "Europa XS" to "Shaw Europa" (or "Europa kitplane") Any takers? Arrivisto (talk) 13:26, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The consensus nomenclature at Naming conventions (aircraft) is to use manufacturer-designation-name. We normally only use a designer's name in place of the manufacturer if it has been built by many manufacturers and the WP:COMMONNAME is the designer's name. In this case the article uses one model (probably the best known one) as the general name for the series. The naming convention applied here would indicate this could be moved to Europa Aircraft Europa or less my favourite, Europa Europa, which is thankfully already in use for a completely different subject, a film with that title. For why I don't favour that latter naming, see Major Major Major Major. I have never heard of this series referred to commonly or in refs as the Shaw Europa. - Ahunt (talk) 20:52, 16 August 2020 (UTC)