Talk:European Cup and UEFA Champions League records and statistics/Archive 1

On joining both cups/systems in a single table
I do believe this link should reunite both trophees. But, why are both cups tables joined? Why not using same criteria as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Ballon_d%27Or. I always have the impression that Barcelona is being mistreated in all those sites (the UEFA records page, the ballon dor splitted, now thisEuropean Cup/Champions, where you can even count the trophees for city (¿?) but not to know the new era isolated things (for most people is the useful one to account in some regards, same as old Fair's cup is not accounted into Cups Worlds cup).

I mean, come on, original format was 16 teams, not 4 per country like now, first editions were private invitations, there were refusals to play the competition by majors. It has no sense to join both systems, at least aggregate them in a single table. What about something really useful such as, after the joined table at least:

Also it is not fair that goalers like Di Stefano, or Puskas, or whoever has been the top scorer during 50 years, are completly overshadowed by Messi and CR7 who play the double of matches per season since a decade ago.

Also the "points" column is absolutly ridiculous as old wins were 2points, it does not add anything, specially if we already have the Wins column, which is not going to be surpassed in a century... If so place it the last one, people with lesser resolutions have to scroll to see more significant data.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.102.115.116 (talk) 02:01, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Arsenal
Arsenal are the SECOND english club to beat real madrid at the Bernabau, as a small club in the 3rd division beat them there in the first ever spanish tour back in the 20's/30's. They won 4-1, it was on the BBC a couple of weeks ago. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Falirakiboi (talk • contribs).


 * But surely if it was a tour then it was a friendly game so doesn't really coun just as Celtic's victory there doesn't mean much either? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.3.147.205 (talk • contribs).


 * Would both of you please cite some references as support? I couldn't find the reference to the first club to beat Real Madrid at the Bernabeu on the Internet.  And according to my research, Celtic's victory was at home, not away.  --Pkchan 06:22, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

All Time Goal Scorers

 * Merge
 * The same table is seen both here: (European Cup and Champions League records and statistics) and here: (European Cup and Champions League finals). I think it should only appear in this article, since it uses data concerning the whole comp, not just the final. Slumgum | yap | stalk | 19:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Agree. --Pkchan 18:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I've simply deleted the other one, since it seemed to be inaccurate; with Shevchenko top, on 52 goals. The table shouldn't have been part of that article anyway. -- Slumgum | yap | stalk | 20:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Why are there now 2 tables of top scorers. Goals scored qualifying for the Champions League don't really count for anything.


 * The value of qualifying goals is an opinion. Statistics isn't about opinions, and people do look at the "All goals" stats. A fresh example is Raul climbing on top of the table. Here's some of the stories in today's papers covering it:, , , , . Obviously there's no denying a separate "Excluding qualifying games" table makes sense as well since many people find that statistics valuable. Dkua 17:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

It isn't an opinion. By definition if the goals are scored in the process of reaching teh chapions league, then they clearly aren't part of the competition proper. Additionally, a table including goals from qualifying actually penalises the best players as they aren't likely to be involved in qualification and thus get less games. Goals qualifying for the world cup aren't world cup goals, why should the Champions League be any different?


 * Clearly it's an opinion. "A table penalises..." What else is it other than an opinion? A table doesn't penalise anyone. It's a piece of statistics. If you want to use statistics to make a point then you can always have a piece of "refined" statistics, which you do, in the form of a table excluding qualifying games. However all-inclusive statistics will always be the place to start, and you don't delete it just because you feel it's "unjust". As long as there are people interested in it it remains useful. Besides people will always have trouble agreeing as to what goals "deserve to be counted" and which don't. Forty years ago there were preliminary rounds in the European Cup as well where not all teams were involved, and as today there wer some ridiculously one-sided affairs. Eusebio once scored four goals in a 18-0 win against Luxembourg's Dudelange in a preliminary round of the European Cup. Who remembers it? People only seem to remember things that emphasise their point, whichever that is.Dkua 02:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Goalscorers tables
The tables are just useless. People are in the wrong position, or just have the wrong number of goals accredited to them, eg Shevchenko, some of the numbers are way off the information listed in the sources given. Even though the papers have celebrated Henry's 50th european goal, this isn't 50 champions league goals, yet someone has put in the table, Henry has scored some in the UEFA Cup, which don't count.  I would fix some/all of the errors but I'm not sure of the real figures (I'm sure there are errors in appearance figures too.) and every source gives different ones. Someone should sort this out as like it is it might as well not be there.

There is a real problem in having this table up while most of the players are competing in the competition. I suggest that once the tables are fixed they are left as they are until the end of the group stages. Sam Hayes 22:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree I've fixed the tables at least 5 or 6 times over the last year, I expect other people have done it far more. I suggest perhaps locking the article and just haveing one proper table including only genuine Champions League goals to avoid confusion and counter some of the nonsense you get in the media about Shevchenko being the top scorer. --80.3.255.72 23:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Just as I said above, you seem to want to make a point and "counter some of the nonsense in the media". How about just providing useful information, whcih Wikipedia is really about, and not trying to make a point?Dkua 02:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not trying to make a point whatsoever, as you say we want USEFUL information here, not crappy goals from qualification that don't count for anything. The fact is that the media get things wrong sometimes and by sticking only to useful facts here then it helps people to discover the truth. What the hell is wrong for me wanting wikipedia top have correct information as an alternative to the incorrect information in the media?


 * Why should you decide whether a goal is "crappy" or not and whether information is useful or not? If lots of people find it useful and you don't then just don't use it. Just use the "refined" "excluding qualifying games" table and leave the rest to others. There will always be a need for all-inclusive statistics. Besides for some the qualifying rounds is the only thing that ensures some semblance of continuity with the old European Cup, where champions of all countries participate.Dkua 00:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree all statistics are useful, but Champions leauge qualification isn't part of the Champions league. You don't count world cup qualifying goals as genuine World cup goals do you so why should this be any differnet? My guess is that you either have something against players such as Raul, Henry, Van Nistlerooy, or you are a big fan of Shevchenko and are trying to rig the tables.


 * Listen, I don't mind an exchange of opinions but don't try to accuse me of what I never do (i.e. "rigging the tables"). I never present anything but truthful information. On the other hand, withholding useful information, which is what you are proposing, can be considered a form of "rigging".Dkua 01:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Anyway, I have a proposal on how to present these stats in a more useful and understandable way - don't have time now but will perhaps write tomorrow.Dkua 01:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Here it is. UEFA now publishes the UEFA Champions League "Competition facts" - see . I believe the statistics on this page should be presented in the same way as it is presented by UEFA, which distinguishes between:
 * goals scored in the UEFA Champions League - this excludes qualifying games as well as all games before the 1992/93 season (both categories of games are not part of the UEFA Champions League, i.e. the competition created in 1992)
 * goals scored in the UEFA Champions League/European Cup - this includes goals scored at all stages of the UEFA Champions League and the European Cup in all the years since the inception of the European Cup. The UEFA Champions League qualifying games are included because they are part of the European Cup.
 * What is needed to bring the tables in European Cup and Champions League records and statistics in line with UEFA's presentation is renaming the first table to "UEFA Champions League" and deleting three entries related to goals scored before 1992, as well as renaming the second table to "UEFA Champions League/European Cup" - see the changes in the article.Dkua 02:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Well as the first comment in this section says, the tables are still useless and requie too much maintainence. Having 2 tables is far too confusing. Champions league qualifying games are not part of the Champions league whatsoever, and the quality of some of the teams involved is rather poor. The goals don't belong on this page in the slightest, though I can see there is a need for such goals to be documented somewhere. Maybe there could be a different page documenting all Europeans gaols sorer by players - i.e. UEFA Cup, Champions leage and the qualifying games for such tournaments - i.e. Intertoto cup and Champions league qualifiers. Also I'd suggest locking the tables to unregistered users (or at least teh proper Champions League one).


 * Could you please leave a signature? I think you are the same person who wrote all the previous unsigned comments on this page but I'm not sure. Thank you.Dkua 02:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I have previously promised to propose a way to present these stats but have forgotten to do it. See my new comment above.Dkua 02:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I really don't think your new idead works at all well. We're not trying to distinguish between the Champions League and European Cup becasue they are bascially teh same competition, all we need to do is exclude goals from qualifying games / preliminary rounds of both tournaments. All someone needs to do is see which goals by Eusebio don't actually count and then everything will be fine.


 * Well that's not "my new idea", that's UEFA's idea - I have provided a link . As to Champions League and European Cup being "basically the same competition", well they are not. The former is considered to be a successor to the latter (as people hate the idea that the European Cup is no more!) but it isn't the same competition. And that's not my opinion, that's how UEFA treats them - check the link above as well as the UEFA site in general.
 * In fact ironically the Champions League qualifying rounds is the closest thing to the European Cup - the Champions League proper does not even resemble the European Cup - both the format and the eligibility criteria are totally different. Many if not most of this season's participants wouldn't be eligible to participate in the European Cup. In fact many of recent years' winners wouldn't be.
 * On the contrary, most teams which would traditionally be eligible to play in the European Cup have had to give way to teams which would traditionally play in the UEFA Cup, and have been made to go through the qualifying rounds. In fact some of the teams paired in the qualifying rounds could be easily imagined to be playing each other in say a semifinal of the traditional European Cup.
 * Nevertheless, I'm digressing. Back to my point, it's not my idea, it's UEFA's, and it is widely used.Dkua 23:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way you didn't asnwer my question - are you biased against the likes of Raul and Henry, or are you merely a huge Shevchenko fan and trying to make him look good?

RasMyn: Well, I just corrected the goalscorers table for Champions League/European Cup using UEFA's latest stats, but they only show the number of goals (not appearances) and only for the top 7 players, so I only corrected those. I agree that these tables are a mess. --RasMyn 07:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Appearance

 * It should be two table, UEFA Champions League/European Cup and UEFA Champions League. Matt86hk  talk  00:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I have to say I'm with Matthew_hk on this one. The UEFA Champipons League appearances table is based on reliable statistics in as that's the way UEFA presents it. If you (I mean 80.3.255.72 - the one who keeps changing the appearances table without being able to back it up) want a combined UEFA Champipons League/European Cup table please feel free to add one but before doing so please find some believable statistics. You initially put a question mark next to Maldini's 117, now you've taken it out. What's your source? Can you prove it's 117? I don't think so - you have said Maldini hasn't played in qualifying rounds, which proves that you don't know what you are talking about because he has (and not once). You then write "Only four players have made 100 European Cup and Champions League appearances" next to a link to the UEFA site which has some other data. There's no source.Dkua 23:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Can you prove people other than Maldini have also made 90+ appearances in European Cup and Champions League. It is incomplete list if only adding Maldini. Matt86hk  talk  01:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

People need to stop seperating the European Cup and Champions League - they are the same competition. If you have mor accurate stats for maldini then you're welcome to change it but just moving him right down the list is stupid. There's no doubt he has the most appearances of anyone, and removing such information is clear vandalism. The guy has 160 European appearances in total. I've made my best attempt to calculate which of his appeearances before 1992 were in the European Cup and added it to the total for Champions League published by UEFA - you can try yourself if you like, but don't keep undoing all my hard work please.

Source
Using official source and update base on it is better. Here is per-first leg matchweek stats pack. Matthew_hk  t  c  page 4-5 19:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Nistelrooy
The article cites two different years - 1997 and 1999 - which one is correct?

And how many goals has he scored, the numbers don't seem to match the sources?

I found UEFA's latest stats here http://www.uefa.com/printoutfiles/competitions/ucl/2008/e/e_02_md.pdf They say 50 goals before stage 2, where he scored 2 more, giving a current total of 52, so I have corrected the previous number (56).

RasM

--87.54.33.226 09:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

European Cup?
"European Cup" should be "European Champion Clubs' Cup"

--RasMyn 07:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Number of Appearances
I find that many of the Number of Appearances are incorrect. Just to warn you, and maybe encourage someone to fix them. I am sure UEFA.com has the figures.

--RasMyn 08:08, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Group Stage Records
Does anybody know, which is the club having scored most points in the group stage by not advancing in the next stage? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.56.129.98 (talk) 13:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Maldini
How about someone includes the appearances pre-the name change to Champions league - maldini has been playing in the champions league since like 86' - surely more than Raul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.250.141 (talk) 11:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

All-time UEFA Champions League table
The results for Liverpool and Real Madrid seem to be the wrong way round, with Madrid credited with the win in 2005, and Liverpool give Madrid's earlier wins. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.83.32 (talk) 22:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Table Order
I'm assuming the order for teams with same statistics should be ordered by year won? If so, then the table needs reordering, if someone can be bothered. Feudonym 78.105.30.189 (talk) 17:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, it was only a few teams but edited anyway.Feudonym (talk) 17:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Yea also in the table "by nation" Scotland Should be switched with Serbia. Due the the date first won.Gero13 (talk) 12:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I Edited it.Gero13 (talk) 12:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Consecutive Home Wins
I'm not too sure but given the fact that United were assigned the home team for the final dose this not end the record, or would it be unfair to count that? Just wondering ThanksGero13 (talk) 23:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Multiple trophies and largest win
Under the section winning other trophies, Liverpool won the League and League Cup as well as the European Champion's Club Cup in 1983-84. This should be added.

If Liverpool defeated Besiktas 8-0, the reference to Manchester United to Roma can be removed, as this is no longer the highest score.

86.144.243.31 (talk) 16:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Should All-time UEFA Champions League table delete
I think (All-time UEFA Champions League table) section should delete or complete all numbers from fist edition as the page name includes two editions (European Cup and Champions League) without forget that all round columns are not necessary.--Worldboy13 (talk) 06:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Gerrard Appearances
In the top scorers list Gerrard has 101 appearances, shouldn't he be included in the list of players with over 100 appearances? These are all for Liverpool as well. --93.96.19.132 (talk) 20:17, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't agree with this, Gerrard made appearances for Liverpool in the Uefa Cup, likewise Carragher, and so not more than 100 in the Champions league —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.190.136 (talk) 23:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Internal inconsitency
There is an internal inconsistency in the article. In the section listing semi-final appearances both Totenham Hotspur and Derby County are listed as having made it to the European Cup semi-final. But in the section listing number of participating clubs by nation, neither of those clubs are listed as having participated in the tournament. --Legis (talk - contribs) 20:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Scoring in Different CL campaigns
Raul is credited with being the only player to score in 14 different seasons but Ryan Giggs has also allegedly scored in 14 seasons, 11 consecutively. According to http://euro.futbal.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.34.224 (talk) 14:41, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

4 goals in a match
The article says "6 players have scored 4 goals in one European Club Champions Cup/UEFA Champions League match: Marco van Basten (Milan), Simone Inzaghi (Lazio), Dado Pršo (Monaco), Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United), Andriy Shevchenko (Milan), Ferenc Puskás (Real Madrid) " and provides the link http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/news/Kind=1/newsId=371588.html

The link those from the Champions League era and names five of them. Puscas did it at least once in the 7-3 Eintracht match. Are we to believe that no one else scored four goals in a match in the first 37 years of the competition ? The same article mentions about Altafini doing it for AC Milan in 1962. Tintin 15:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * A quick check says that this claim is completely wrong. There was a 4 in a match in the very first season, and two more in the second season and so on. It now has a citation-required tag. Should I change it to "dubious", or should remove the entry altogether ? Tintin 12:28, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Madrid as well
Madrid has also been represented by two clubs in the Champions Cup final, Real madrid and Atletico de Madrid (1974) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.41.161.195 (talk) 00:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

UEFA Champions League winners by nation Table
I've added info on the competitions for which the relevant nations could enter. This has been sourced from the individual Wikipedia articles on the European Cup/Champions League seasons and is summarized below (sequential from the 1955-56 season to the 1991-92 season in the first column of letters, and then from the 1992-93 Champions League season to this season [2009-2010 CL] in the last column):

q - club from that country had entered the competitions at some stage.

_ - no club from that country had entered the competition.

S - Lazio disqualified.

M - Munich Air Disaster. I've included this as an "eligible" competitor for that season, but I'm willing to hear any arguments to the contrary.

L - English Clubs were officially allowed entry again after Heysel, but since Liverpool were still banned, and they had qualified for that season, England had no eligible competitor.

e - East- AND West-German teams had qualified.

w - only a West-German team qualified.

A - Ajax disqualified.

O - Olympiakos withdrew for political reasons.

y - Serbian teams qualified whilst playing under the Yugoslav First League.

Y - A non-Serbian team qualified whilst playing under the Yugoslav First League.

M - Serbia and Montenegro Superliga teams did not enter (which obviously mean that no Serbian teams were eligible).

m - A Serbian team qualified whilst playing in the Serbia and Montenegro Superliga.

Anyone who wants to help check this data and look for errors is highly welcome!

Krea (talk) 05:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC) (edited: corrected some mistakes -- mostly grammatical -- Krea (talk) 16:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC))

Serbia or Yugoslavia?
I see under winners by nation declare that Serbia have 2 finalists, Red Star Belgrade (won in 1991) and Partizan Belgrade (lost in 1966). I believe at that time both clubs were still belong to now-defunct nation, Yugoslavia. Thus, should it be changed to Yugoslavia instead of Serbia? Same should be apply for Czechoslovakia & Czech Republic or Soviet Union & Russia. For example, Dynamo Kiev won the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup twice in the 70s & 80s when still they represented the Soviet Union. Although now they are a Ukraine club, their record of winning those 2 Cup Winners Cup is still belong to Soviet Union, not Ukraine. That's why Shakhtar Donetsk is the 1st Ukraine club to win a European trophy, not Dynamo Kiev, is it?. Same for Dinamo Tbilisi, they won Cup Winners Cup as Soviet Union, not Georgia like they are now. Viva69 (talk) 01:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree, it is more complex than it appears! I don't know any official position taken by UEFA on this (does anybody who can be bothered want to check that up?), but I've taken the view that teams that now play for Serbia (Red Star or Partizan or other Serbian teams) have had the ability to win the competition on 50 occasions regardless of which country they were affiliated with at the time. I agree that this might not be the best way to convey the intentions of the table: I'll have a think about it and may decide to change it (I may just add more entries that explain the issue more exactly). In any case, I did already add a note in the table next to the Serbian entry explaining the complexities of this Serbia/SFR Yugolavia/Serbia and Montenegro issue because this came up while I was collecting the data. Krea (talk) 15:45, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

What does the plus sign mean?
Under appearences by country, what does the plus sign mean? for instance, X+Y (where X and Y are numbers) under clubs mean? And why do a few not have it? Smartyllama (talk) 20:35, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I was just wondering this myself. Perhaps the second number are the clubs that qualified for the European Cup before it became the Champions League? Regardless, it is unexplained and confusing and whoever made the list should clarify his edits. --Tocino 21:55, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it means clubs that have appeared in qualifying only? It needs to be changed, --Pretty Green (talk) 08:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually scrap that, I think I'm wrong. --Pretty Green (talk) 08:36, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Table not correct
Issue with the table called Number of participating clubs of the Champions League era. 'The following is a list of clubs that have played in the Champions League group stages' it says. For England the clubs Aston Villa and Nottingham have not played in the groups, so the table seems to include european cup as well?

213.88.185.35 (talk) 07:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Cities (London)
Under Cities appears the following text: "The city of London, England, is one of four cities only that has been represented by more than one team in the final of the European Cup/Champions League and lost on each occasion (Arsenal in 2006 and Chelsea in 2008), other cities include Milan, Madrid, Belgrade." I believe this was changed from "the only city", and the person who added the other cities did not read the part that read "and lost on each occasion" - which was certainly not true of Milan and Madrid (without looking!), and Red Star Belgrade's victory means it's not true of Belgrade either. Since the other city records appear below, I'm going to revert it, or rewrite it. Possibly it should appear below the other sections about successful cities.Silas Maxfield (talk) 09:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

HJK - Bangor
HJK - Bangor aggregate should be 13 - 0, not 12 - 0. Source: http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2012/matches/round=2000260/match=2007516/index.html

77.223.42.4 (talk) 18:05, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Number of participating clubs of the Champions League era (and similar)
"The following is a list of clubs that have played in the Champions League group stages."

I think it's totally unfair to delete from this table, and similar ones, the year 1991-92. If of course, strictly speaking, this was still the European Cup, in truth, the EC and UCL are the same competition, and I think it's totally unjust to clear from the statistics the 8 participants in the 1991-92 groups just because UEFA went to the notary to register its new brands only at the end of that season which, by the way, had exactly the same format of the 1992-93 season.--80.180.62.97 (talk) 23:42, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

All time tables
Why do these tables have columns showing 100(Pts/Game - 1.5) and 100(Pts/Game - 1.3)? I cant understand the logic behind this statistic, why not subtract 1.4 or 1.279? It seems much more sensible to just show Points per Game which would actually be useful.

There is also an inconsistency with the EC+CL table using 3 pts for a win, while the CL only table uses 2 pts for a win. Using 3 pts for a win in both seems more logical to me. Dergraaf (talk) 20:59, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Current all-time top ten table is just wrong. Bayern Munich row is entirely false;, Real Madrid row seems to be correct with respect to 2-points rule however points figures for no other club is accurate with either 2 points or 3 points rule. Needs major revision.

All-time topscorer tables
There seems to be conflicting figures for Del Piero in the tables for all-time top scorers. Has he scored 41 goals as per the European Cup and UEFA Champions League table (excluding qualifying), or 45 goals as per the UEFA Champions League (from 1992–93 onwards) table? They should both be the same as they're both excluding qualifying games, and he's only ever played in the Champions League from '92 onwards. His own article does not shed any light as it totals all his European goals (including UEFA Cup/Europa League) at 51. I think the figure of 45 is wrong as most places list him scoring 42 Champions League goals (including qualifying rounds), so there's no way he could have scored 45 excluding qualifying. This will be corrected unless anyone has any sources contradicting this. Feudonym (talk) 02:26, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

There's also an issue with Shevchenko's goal tally excluding qualifying games. In the first table, it lists 58 goals in total (including qualifying), with 11 goals scored in those rounds. This means that he scored 47 goals excluding those rounds, but it states 48 goals in the next two tables. Which is correct? Feudonym (talk) 02:50, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Could someone completely complement this table Cup of European Champions' Cup / UEFA Champions League from season 1955/1956 until now (2012/2013) than to just ten teams and it is updated December 18, 2011. To do this, add the UEFA Champions League 1992/1993 until now, as it is now with 25 teams in total number of teams who have played in bands and on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radek Hanuš (talk • contribs) 18:47, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Wins by city
This table should be removed as Champions League winners are not grouped together by city in any reliable sources I've ever seen. Furthermore, the table is almost identical to the "Wins by club" table, and any differences can be seen reasonably easily by anyone with a decent amount of common sense. – PeeJay 12:31, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


 * While I agree that if there was a variety of different cities who had multiple teams reach/win finals, it would be worthwhile, but as it is only Madrid and Milan, it seems a little futile, especially as all these teams have the city in their name. But there is a precedent for this table to exist. Such a table exists in the articles about the champions of the English division, the Italian division, the Spanish division, the German division, the Dutch division, the Brazilian division, the Portuguese division and the Scottish division.RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 15:47, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Whether there is precedent or not is irrelevant, per WP:WAX. This is not a stat that is traditionally recorded by third-party sources, so why are we doing it? This just seems like a stat that people pull out when they've got nothing else to talk about. – PeeJay 18:54, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


 * That link does not back up your argument, I'm afraid. Per WP:OSE, precedent actually matters.RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 20:16, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually it does back up my argument; just because something exists elsewhere in the encyclopaedia does not mean it should here. Besides, the section is/was completely unsourced, which is grounds enough for it to be deleted. – PeeJay 20:45, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually it does not back up your argument, as it is not talking about what is going on here, it is talking about articles as a whole, where as WP:OSE describes this particularly debate as such: "For instance, when an actor recently died suddenly, a discussion broke out about adding "the late" before his name in one of his movie pages. In order to judge the necessity of such a phrase, other articles of famous deceased actors could be checked, which was done. Generally, these other articles do not use this sort of reference, and thus the newest article did not. While not a strict OSE reasoning, the overarching concept remains, that of precedent and consistency throughout the Wikipedia project." Ergo, as the precedent has been set in the aforementioned articles I told you of, then this article should reasonably follow suit. If you want to take up the issue with the usage in this article, I assume you will take up the issue with the usage in the other articles. Precedent and consistency throughout RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 21:06, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Regardless of what WP:WAX says, there is still no source to legitimise the categorisation of CL winners by city. If there is a source for the other competitions, I have no problem with that; if not, those tables should be deleted with as much prejudice as this one. I notice no one has added a source here yet, despite the blind reversion of my removal of the table. – PeeJay 01:39, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * So, rather than using Wikipedia policy, everybody should bow down to you? According to WP:OSE NOT WP:WAX which has zero relevance to t his, you're wrong.RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 02:15, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:OSE and WP:WAX are basically the same argument, and I'm admitting that neither applies here; take that as a win and move on to my next point. Neither you nor Angelo have added a source to the page; sourcing is more important than whether something exists elsewhere on Wikipedia already, and without a source, I am well within my rights to remove the offending content. – PeeJay 10:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * No, they aren't the same argument. That's why they're on completely different pages, because they apply to completely different scenarios, and WP:OSE applies to this, as I have already demonstrated. Ergo, you've been talking bollocks all along. Source? What, for which city the clubs are located in? So, you think somebody would be lying if they said AC and Inter both played in Milan, or both Real Madrid C.F. and Atlético Madrid played in Madrid? You've got to be joking! RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 15:18, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If you'd read them, you'd see they are the same argument applied to two different scenarios. And I'm not talking about a source to prove AC and Inter play in Milan, I'm talking about a source that lists CL winners by city in this manner. We shouldn't be doing original research, i.e. the synthesis of original material to advance a position not supported by external sources, which is exactly what this table does. – PeeJay 16:06, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Quite clearly, you haven't properly read either of them. Here's a summary of WP:WAX - The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on what other articles do or do not exist; because there is nothing stopping anyone from creating any article. Plenty of articles exist that probably should not. Equally, because articles must wait for someone who is interested in the subject to notice they are missing before they are created, a lot of articles do not exist that probably should. So just pointing out that an article on a similar subject exists does not prove that the article in question should also exist; it is quite possible that the other article should also be deleted but nobody has noticed it and listed it for deletion yet.And here is WP:OSE again "For instance, when an actor recently died suddenly, a discussion broke out about adding "the late" before his name in one of his movie pages. In order to judge the necessity of such a phrase, other articles of famous deceased actors could be checked, which was done. Generally, these other articles do not use this sort of reference, and thus the newest article did not. While not a strict OSE reasoning, the overarching concept remains, that of precedent and consistency throughout the Wikipedia project." The obvious difference is that one argues about notability, while one argues for precedence and consistency. It's hardly "original research" when it's basically just an amalgamation of pre-existing information widely available on Wikipedia. According to WP:V, "Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it". To summarise, saying that Milan and Madrid are the most successful cities in European Cup history is not a belief or an experience of an editor, it's determined by previously published information that is clearly available on Wikipedia. AC and Inter do both play in Milan, and both Real Madrid C.F. and Atlético Madrid do play in Madrid. An article saying this is not wrong to do so. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 18:01, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If it's just an amalgamation of data already – not just on Wikipedia, but on this very page, why bother amalgamating it at all. Like you say, Atlético and Real clearly both play in Madrid, AC and Inter clearly both play in Milan, so any child with a reasonable level of higher brain function could put two and two together without needing a separate table to jam the point down their throats. As Koppapa has pointed out below, the whole table could be summarised by a single sentence and is therefore not needed. – PeeJay 22:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

@User:RealDealBillMcNeal: The tables from the pages you mentioned at the top of this discussion were completely unsourced and have now been removed. Clearly categorisation by city is not something that is done by the wider world, and hence not something that Wikipedia should do. – PeeJay 12:50, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I find the section pretty pointless. WHole section could be replaced by a single sentence telling the reader Milan and Madrid are the only two cities two have had two teams in the final. It would be as informative. -Koppapa (talk) 18:57, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * This edit war is really boring. I think the whole article could be less cluttered with tables detailing every single thing that has ever happened, but a table demonstrating the most successful cities is hardly the worst offending thing in the article. In saying that, is it really necessary to detail every city? It's understandable to out point that some cities have had a large amount/multiple finalists and/or winners, (Munich, Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester, Milan, Belgrade, London etc) but cities which have never had a winner and one finalist on one occasion (Monaco, Leeds, Malmo, Athens etc)? Here are other tables in the article that are rather pointless: All-time top ten European Cup and Champions League table and All-time top 25 Champions League table. Why? Why does one table have 10 clubs detailing 58 years of history, yet the other table has 25 teams detailing just 21 years? Surely these could be combined/enhanced easily? Number of participating clubs of the Champions League era. Why only for the CL Era? Is it really necessary to detail all the teams who have competed in this era alone, and yet ignore teams who competed before that? What is the reason for this? By semi-final appearances (European Cup and UEFA Champions League) followed immediately by By quarter-final and semi-final appearances (UEFA Champions League). Again, why is there a need to split the table into separate periods? Would it not be easier and clearer to have one table representing all teams to have reached a certain stage since 1955? Is there really a need for such a mish-mash of differently sized tables detailing fairly similar things? All of this could do with a clean-up and, this part is important, a consensus needs to be reached before randomly deleting things to avoid boring, pointless edit wars like is happening at the moment. Why not just delete the whole article, most of it is unsourced. Quit with the tunnel-vision mass-deletion and contribute to a constructive debate.RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 13:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Please don't delete my comments. I don't disagree with you on most of your points, a lot of the data in this article could be deleted, but my focus is currently on categorisation by city. Let's deal with one item at a time, eh? – PeeJay 13:18, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I've just fully protected this article for three days due to the edit warring. Please discuss the matter here instead of reverting further. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:20, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * When it comes back, I suggest that the table not be restored since it's not at all useful and it then becomes a list of cities with multiple clubs. "By nation" is already sufficient. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:10, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Documenting discussion between PeeJay2K3 and me on our respective talk pages, re: "By City" table:
 * If you're not going to contribute to an adult discussion, I suggest you cease editing. Your contributions are not supported by any Wikipedia policy. – PeeJay 17:45, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Your comments carry no weight: (1) The table you want to remove needs no source indications, as it was obtained by simple processing of easily verifiable raw data. (2) The fact that "CL winners traditionally [are not] grouped by city" is completely immaterial, for Wikipedia does not necessarily need to conform to tradition. The fact of the matter is that the "By City" table has been in this article for 3 1/2 years. Over this rather long period, the article was surely visited by many thousands Wikipedians, who obviously do not share your views about the table or else they would have removed it. You need to respect the work and opinions of others. So back off and move on. Angelo Somaschini (talk • contribs) 18:17, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not need to conform to tradition, but it does need to abide by what the sources do. No reliable sources group CL winners by city, so neither should we. We are not in the business of advancing a position by way of original research. Besides, who says that Manchester United are located in Manchester? Many would claim they are from Trafford, which is a separate borough of Greater Manchester. I'm sure it could be argued that Atlético and Real are located in separate districts of Madrid, and Arsenal and Chelsea are definitely not from London itself. The whole table is spurious without a source. – PeeJay 22:24, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Your argument has no merit and carries no weight with me. The clubs listed in the table are, in fact, correctly grouped by city not only according to encyclopaedic sources (see, for example, Wikipedia itself: "Manchester United Football Club is an English professional football club, based in Old Trafford, Greater Manchester"; "Chelsea Football Club /ˈtʃɛlsiː/ is an English football club based in Fulham, London"; "Club Atlético de Madrid, SAD (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈkluβ aðˈletiko ðe maˈðɾið]), commonly known as Atlético de Madrid, or Atlético, is a Spanish football club based in Madrid"; "Arsenal Football Club is an English Premier League football club based in Holloway, London" [emphasis added], and so forth - feel free to look them all up), but also as a matter of widespread popular culture and common sense (see, for example, countless references in daily newspapers across Europe to games such as "ManU vs. ManC" or "AC Milan vs. Inter Milan" or "Tottenham vs. Arsenal" or "Real Madrid vs. Atletico Madrid" as, respectively, "Manchester derby", "Milan derby", "London derby", "Madrid derby." Therefore, the "By City" table is clearly not "spurious" and it must stay where it has been for the past 3 1/2 years. Angelo Somaschini (talk • contribs) 9:37, 22 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelo Somaschini (talk • contribs)
 * Look, I don't dispute that United and City are both from Manchester (or any of the others), I'm just pointing out that some people might pull you up on the fact that Manchester United are technically not based in the city of Manchester – this is a fact, you cannot dispute this. Therefore, because of the fuzzy definition of where clubs are located, you can't say that (for example) clubs from Manchester have won three European Cups. If Manchester City ever won it, they would be the first from the city of Manchester to win the competition. So unless you can show me a reliable source that lists all Champions League winners by the city they come from, the table should be deleted. – PeeJay 01:42, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The term "city", as used in the table, was never interpreted by anyone (except, perhaps, you) to indicate specific urban administrative divisions having corporate status and powers of self-government or jurisdiction. As I mentioned in my previous post herein, the cities listed in the table are universally understood to indicate the metropolitan areas where the respective soccer clubs are located. For example, "Manchester", as used in the table, indicates the metropolitan area of Manchester (where the "Manchester derby" takes place, 'member?) and not the administrative municipality of Manchester City etc. Thus, I do not think the table should be deleted on account of your argument, which seems to be just a futile attempt at splitting hairs. Angelo Somaschini 12:11, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not arguing that the table be deleted because of a tenuous definition of a "city", I'm arguing that it should be deleted because it is completely unsourced. No one has yet shown me a source that has listed all the Champions League winners grouped by the city they come from, and that is the most pressing issue. Furthermore, since we clearly have a stalemate in terms of a consensus so far, Wikipedia's policy regarding the sourcing of content should be respected. – PeeJay 00:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You are arguing that the definition of "city" is, in your view, too tenuous. I am arguing that the term "city" is used in the table in accordance to a broadly accepted meaning, as a matter of popular culture and common sense. As such, there is no need for an outside source, as the information provided by the table can be easily obtained by straightforward processing of raw data. In addition, please note that (as previously pointed out by RealDealBillMcNeal) such a table exists in the articles about the champions of the English division, the Italian division, the Spanish division, the German division, the Dutch division, the Brazilian division, the Portuguese division and the Scottish division. Hence, insofar as those tables are considered sourced, then this table ought to be considered sourced as well. Your statement that Wikipedia's policy regarding sourcing of contents is allegedly not respected by the table is, therefore, just an opinion. The table should be left undisturbed. Angelo Somaschini 14:13, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Those tables are not considered sourced and have been deleted, as should this one. You are not on the right side of this argument, dude. – PeeJay 10:29, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Host
How about making a list showing which finalist host the final? Raymond "Giggs" Ko 07:01, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Steaua Bucuresti "same country" entry
Have removed Steaua from the nationalities subcategory as their notable achievement was to win the title with a team of players "from the same country". This despite Celtic predating the self same achievement by some 20 years with the Lisbon Lions. It could potentially be added in addition to that point, but to claim Steaua were the only team to win with a team of players from one country is an outright fallacy - I've preserved the text of that entry here in case anybody is able to incorporate it in a clearer manner than I would, but until then, Steaua's achievement is non-notable:

"Steaua București is the only club to win the title (in 1986) with a team all from the same country. Real Madrid also did this in 1966, however José Santamaria and Ferenc Puskás were originally Uruguayan and Hungarian respectively, and both played for their national teams first."

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.104.62 (talk) 00:34, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

AS Monaco is part of the nation Monaco, Ass. of France
The table shows AS Monaco as a frenh club (Nation: France). Monaco plays in french Assotiation but IS NOT a french club. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.25.238.87 (talk) 19:56, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The represent french association as a team from French League 1 and all coefficient points they earn counts towards france, so they should have french flag. QED237&#160;(talk) 00:07, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Consecutive appearances in European Cup
Real missed 62/63 season, so most consecutive appearances have Dynamo Berlin.Linhart (talk) 07:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

They dont miss it, Real Madrid plays in 1962-63 season, but they are eliminated in Preliminary Round.--Alexiulian25 (talk) 22:56, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Managers appearances
Someone to add information about the managers with most games in UCL. Thank you.--Alexiulian25 (talk) 22:57, 21 October 2015 (UTC) Ref:

Gianluigi Buffon has made 102 Champions League appearances
Hello, could you please add Gianluigi Buffon to the list of players who have made 100 appearances in the Champions League? He has made 102 appearances with Juventus and Parma. This website is the source: http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/players/player=21307/profile/

Riccsardo (talk) 23:44, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * X mark.svg Not done According to the source for that section Buffon has made only 94 matches in main tournament (and 8 in qualifying), so we follow the source and our "regular" way of showing stats which is excluding qualifying matches. Qed237</b>&#160;<b style="color:green">(talk)</b></i> 00:41, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Rangers semi final appearances
In the table "By semi-final appearances (European Cup and UEFA Champions League)", Rangers are listed as having appeared in the 1993 semi final. However, that year (and I believe the previous year) there was no semi final, the top teams in the two groups qualified directly for the final. Bucktronic (talk) 23:44, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Have just read the disclaimer regarding 92/93 semi finals at the bottom of that table. Bucktronic (talk) 23:57, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2016
When you use control + F you can find "Spanish players have received the most awards with 9". This is wrong. Portugal holds the record with 10. This is because: Ronaldo has 4 in 2007–08, 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15 Eusebio 3 in 1964–65, 1965–66, 1967–68 José Torres 1 in 1964–65 Jose Águas 1 1960–61 Rui Águas 1 1987–88

You can find these on wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_top_scorers you can find this. However on that page you'll see portugal has 11, that page should also be altered as José Águas has only been top scorer once in 1960-1961 and not in 1961-1962 as the table at the bottom says. Making a portugese player top scorer for a total 10 times up till now. You did well not to count Ferenc Puskas as Spanish in the 1959/60 campaign as he had not yet changed nationality from Hungarian to Spanish.

Another thing is, when you do control + F "Only three players scored two hat-tricks in a single Champions League season", it must be four because Ronaldo (3+4) must be added to that list, as he scored a hattrick against Sjachtar Donetsk (3) en Malmo FF (4) in the group stage this season.

Last but not least when you do control + F "Cristiano Ronaldo is the only player to score in eight consecutive UEFA Champions League games (2013–14)" you'll find a statistic that isn't quite right right. The thing is, Ruud van Nistelrooy scored in nine straight appearances in the 2002/03 campaign, though he did not play in all United's games due to injury, the games he did play in, he managed to score 9 times consecutively. I suppose it's worth to mention both records, as Van Nisterooy reached 9 consecutively though he didn't feature in every match Man United played in that time, which Ronaldo did with Real Madrid in his 8, that's up to you as the editor to judge. Here is the source directly from uefa.com btw. Thanks for the work you guys do!

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The map should probably be changed to reflect Kosovo's membership in UEFA. CPiGuy (talk) 19:49, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Iker Casillas appearances
Appearances Iker Casillas has made the most appearances in the competition.

As of 29 September 2016[17][18][19]

The table below does not include appearances made in the qualification stage of the competition. Bold indicates players active in the competition in the 2016–17 season and their current club. Player 	Nation 	Appearances 	Years 	Clubs 1 	Iker Casillas 	 Spain 	158 	1999– 	Real Madrid, Porto

please change 158 to 162 because after playing new matches his record is getting higher

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2016
The country providing the highest number of wins is Spain with 15 victories, shared by two teams, Real Madrid (10) and Barcelona (5). please change 15 victories to 16 victories. please change Real Madrid (10) to Real Madrid (11) Liaoyuanzhang (talk) 04:14, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2016
The city of Milan is the only one that has been represented by two different teams who have won the tournament: Internazionale and Milan. The two clubs have won ten cups in total. Therefore, Milan is the most successful city in the history of the tournament, sharing this feat with Madrid after Real Madrid won its tenth cup in 2014. please change "Therefore, Milan is the most successful city in the history of the tournament" to "However, Madrid is the most successful city in the history of the tournament after Real Madrid won its eleventh cup in 2016" Liaoyuanzhang (talk) 04:23, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2016
Since then, Real Madrid (2000, 2014) please change Real Madrid (2000, 2014) to Real Madrid (2000, 2014, 2016) Liaoyuanzhang (talk) 04:34, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2017
Assisting

Neymar has 36apps and 18assists, ratio 0.5 188.143.32.148 (talk) 13:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2017
Section Assisting:

A user called Renoogreverof is removing a reference that has been used for two seasons, and wants to keep the stats without a reference so the reader cannot follow the full stats from the reference !! these edits are subversive and not helping ! this kind of actions should be not tolerated, so I demand a strict warning to the mentioned user as he kept reverting edits and removing the citation! LeoHsn (talk) 15:21, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I already talked with LeoHsn regarding the same. The citation provided in the article is some third party website called statbunker. It shows incorrect stats for current season as opposed to the stats shown in the official UEFA website. I asked him would he rather stick with a third party website when we have the official UEFA stats from their website to prove the former wrong. He thinks he owns that section as he created that particular section. Please check the stats from the third party source that he cited here and compare it with the official stats from UEFA's website. The third party source shows 5 assists for the player Cristiano Ronaldo, this season whereas the official UEFA website shows 6 assists. Similarly the Statbunker website shows only 2 assists for the player Lionel Messi for the season 2012/13 whereas the official UEFA website shows 3 assists for him, the same season. There are many such errors in the Statbunker website which you could see and LeoHsn wants to keep the erroneous website as a citation. The official UEFA stats from each & every season is available on their website UEFA.com, only the cumulative stats are not available. I'm now collecting the official stats of each player mentioned in the table from each season and will be adding the data to provide the real stats. Renoogreverof (talk) 23:46, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Assists
The majority of seasons are not covered by the source cited. I'm not sure this can be reliably sourced, so moving this here for the time being. Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 09:52, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Assisting
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Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2018 - inaccurate statistics for club performances
The club performance winners and runners up columns are incorrect.

Barcelona have won 5 and been runners up 3 times, as indicated in the years won and years runners up columns, not 2 and 5 respectively.

Liverpool have won 5 and been runners up twice, as indicated in the years won and years runners up columns.

Bayern Munich have won 5 and been runners up 5 times.

Manchester United should be below both Barcelona and Ajax, not at the top.

There are further inaccuracies but these are the most obvious. Benlithgow (talk) 10:49, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
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Difference in the number of apparances of Cristiano Ronaldo
Number of apparances of CR7 are not the same between the table of Top golscorers and the table of Top Assisting. Brio (talk) 12:29, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

goals
one with(1955-2008) and one without(1992-2008) ok?! so dont edit this.

Mrpouetpouet - the table that you edit is ugly and unnecessary because the qualifying goals in the second table

so dont edit my table because she without qualifying gaols, only group stage to the final!

this is the main counting of goals according to "uefa"

if you want your table add it after my table — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirarbeli (talk • contribs) 08:38, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

RAUL

 * This ll that nonsense about "Darren Blackburn"?

Raul effectively has scored 50 (or more) goals in the champions league. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.59.118.82 (talk) 18:15, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Andriy Shevchenko
I've altered the all-time top scorers list to show Shevchenko's actual total; last night's goal against Lyon took him to 52 strikes overall, rather than 53 as previously stated.


 * Shevchenko have 56 European goals, reach the second in the all-time, shared with Eusébio. BUT his Champions League goals is around 40. From this outdated source from UEFA, which is the list of Champions League topscorers in September 2005.Matthew hk 00:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Fansite stats. Matthew hk 00:39, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * If you would care to look at This link you will notice the reference to him breaking the record. A quick search on Google News also has several links to this. Gary G 00:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Simple Maths., UEFA is the officials, no other media have trustworthiness than it. the news counted since 1993 to September 2005 (group stage 05/06), and Shevchenko only scored 9 goals at this stage in 05/06 season. 36 + 9 = 45. Matthew hk 05:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Chester16: This is the link to uefa.com that states Shevchenko had scored 42 before Tuesday's game. Add the one that he scored it makes 43. He is the all time scorer if you add qualification goals. http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/FixturesResults/Round=2203/match=1105608/Report=FC.html

I understand Shevchenko has 43 goals. Whether it is 42 or 43 doesn't really matter anyway, the big problem on this page is people including goals from qualification which is quite frankly ridicuous. Any self respecting player would hope to never have to endure playing in qualification and they certianly can't be considered of any merit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.147.205 (talk) 23:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

LA Galaxy?
LA Galaxy is not an European club, so I deleted it in the list of club of Beckham. User talk:vi.conbo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.86.225.145 (talk) 03:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Records
How come the records are only for the Champions league? I've corrected this and replaced the records with the European Cup ones. Still needs some fine tuning. Is it correct to include lower Champions league records? If so should all European Cup scores of 8-0 or above also be included? It would take a lot of research to find all of them and I suspect the list will get very long. An alternative would be to separate the records for the competition before and after the name change to pacify those who feel it's a different competition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.223.46 (talk) 22:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)