Talk:European Social Forum

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The rainy last day picture was rather depressing! So I put in this one I took of a meeting. I don't really think this page is nuetral. It presents a particular picture of the ESF that whether true or not is only held my a minority. It needs improvement.--JK the unwise 22:53, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

4th ESF a "Success"
I would like to know what the criteria for 'success' is. Saying an event is a success says nothing when the aims and objectives are not mentioned. The entire process that is the ESF is contentious in many respects. Saying something glib like "the event was a success for the momevent" doesn't say anything about a success in what way, for whom, and where this might lead. Can anyone who was present give some analysis on this?

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I have edited the text slightly for 2004 to read a bit more neutrally. To be honest, I think that only sections of the British left view the event as a success; statements from across Europe denounced the proceedings as verticalised and not in the spirit of the World Social Forum principles. Furthermore, the Autonomous Spaces saw thousands participate in debates and cultural events without having the money of the GLA and the Unions to promote them; I don't think they can be labelled as 'marginal'.

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edited to take out POV in third ESF article and to create a more realistic balance between the main event and the fringe ones

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changed POV, autonomists may feel that they think that the ESF is a 'process' and not an 'event' but that's your POV, people like Globalise Resistance see it as a process too just differently to the autonomists, with the key thing being that they were involved in the 'process' from the beginning in 2002 unlike the London Social Forum et al.

Taken out POV in last paragraph, as the arrested people at Kings Cross were able to get on the stage and speak, I saw them! The final rally being organised by the UK movement was agreed by the european process so again this is POV.


 * Yes, this is much better. Despite what you may think, I'm no autonomist, just keen to see an NPOV article! Warofdreams talk 23:20, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

No problem, autonomist or not we just need it to reflect the actual situation glad we've got to that stage! Shame the French ESF entry is weak... ND

This article is rather POV. - SEAN

Annual?
The first three were annual but the forth one is more then year after 3rd.--JK the unwise 17:15, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

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Deletion of section on Sydsvenskan's criticism of anti-capitalism
I suggest to delete section on Sydsvenskan's criticism of anti-capitalism because, at least with the specific arguments mentioned, it seems irrelevant to the ESF as an event. Perhaps the paragraph can be moved to the entry on anti-capitalism. Furthermore, mentioning only this particular criticism is misleading since the ESF has also been criticised for being reformist, i.e. for not being anti-capitalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tophee1 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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