Talk:European art cinema

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I will edit more in the days to come, please don't delete. This is a very important time in cinema studies. Curtdbz (talk) 04:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * For now the article will redirect to Art film. If you have some useful, reliably sourced content that you think should be here, by all means remove the redirect, but I suggest you consider contributing to Art film instead, as this would appear to cover the topic in question.  Also, rather than creating placeholder articles in the mainspace I advise working on them in a user sandbox, eg. User:Curtdbz/European art cinema, and moving them over when it is more appropriate to do so. ∙  AJCham   talk  23:00, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Issues
First, the term "art cinema" is outdated - the people named in this article (Jean-Luc Godard) considered themselves kin to Howard Hawks and Frank Tashlin as filmmakers; they considered their films as much "art" as their own and they all used the same mainstream funding and distribution systems. As well, filmmakers commonly associated with "art films" worked in commercial genres and were considered completely commercial filmmakers in their home countries - Yasujiro Ozu, a perfect equivalent position to an American filmmaker like John Ford. Second, this page talks about the subject as if it only existed in the 1960s but films like these existed before and they never stopped being made and, moreover, you can find films like this everywhere. Third, "Contrast this to European Cinema" - most European cinema is in the classical style, this was true then and it's true now just as it is in America (and there was plenty of ambiguity in many old Hollywood films.) Fourth, to use "Classical Hollywood Cinema" at all is misleading because American Hollywood cinema wasn't the only type that followed the rules of "Classical Cinema" - every country has been doing so since the silent era and every country (including America) has had points of departure from it. JonasEB (talk) 03:54, 25 September 2011 (UTC)