Talk:European values

Note: Pan-European identity has since become a separate article.

Heading added
The following comments appear to support the proposed merge --Boson 21:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree as this is the same.

I agree, can be un-merged later should article grow prodigiously (which seems unlikely at this stage) Boldymumbles 11:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge and Cleanup
As part of the drive to clear the merge backup, I have merged Europeanist into Europeanism. I assume this is uncontroversial. I think it could still do with some re-structuring. OTOH it might be appropriate to merge the whole lot with one of the other Europe articles, but that would probably be more controversial. Since neither of the merged articles had any references, I have added the appropriate template. In view of the statements about people's views, I think the article would need numerous citations. I have also copied the EU project template from Europeanist. I hope that meets with approval. --Boson 21:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Disagree with the merge, though it's happened already. Pan-European identity is different from 'Europeanism', as present in this article. In the current version (as of this comment), Europeanism is narrowly defined by the two philosophers, and the definition is expanded below by another personality.


 * Alas, the encompassing definition contains one or two political dogmas that work at peacetime, but are under stress, when interfered with from outside Europe proper (the EU and its neighborhood). That interference is happening now, and it's being pushed by forces that aggressively desire to weaken the European Union. - Mardus /talk 02:18, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, I noticed, that Pan-European identity is now a separate article. &lt;sigh of relief&gt; I still stand by my arguments as criticism of the article's current contents. - Mardus /talk 02:24, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

This is either a dictef (merge into European identity) or an underdeveloped article on the 2010 book (merge into John McCormick (political scientist)). It clearly cannot stand on its own as it currenlty is. --dab (𒁳) 12:39, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Immigration crisis
I've cut this as straying off-topic, but have added a mention of the European migrant crisis in the relevant place earlier. Ben Finn (talk) 13:25, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

In the context of the European migrant crisis of 2015, the European Commission wants to distribute part of the immigrants in EU member states, but the Visegrad Four countries in Central Europe (The Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia) oppose the quotas and the mass inflow of immigrants from the Middle East and Africa as such.

Some Western European politicians have called for sanctions against the eastern members, saying that they are betraying the European values of solidarity, while the easterners say that they are defending the borders, the identity and the culture of Europe. Viktor Orbán, the Prime Minister of Hungary which has built a double border fence to keep out immigrants, has said this about the immigration wave: “We may lose our European values, our very identity, by degrees like the live frog allowing itself to be slowly cooked to death in a pan of water.” Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn told the German paper Die Welt that countries like Hungary which violate EU values “should be excluded temporarily, or if necessary for ever, from the EU.”

Historical Revisionism
Most "European values" as defined in this article are off-shoots of Post-WW2 neoliberalism and have nothing to do with 99% of European history. The idea that Europeans should be minorities in their native capital cities (like London) and partially ruled by foreigners in the name of multiculturalism would be laughable just 30 years ago. These are not "universal values" either as we do not see any of this occuring outside the Western World. In fact even the non post-1945 values here are offshoots of the ideologies of 18th century proggesive revolutionaries in Anglo-America and France. They have nothing to do with 99% of European history and the thousands of years which proceeded the existence of "Liberal Democracy". The article must be frank and say the EU started out as a pure monetary union and then incrementally morphed into a highly ideological multilateral structure which claims to represent the "values of Europeans" but in reality represents the values of select EU member states (the largest nations in Europe are not even in EU like Ukraine or Russia and members like Hungary openly dispute these values). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:9B02:A846:F11A:F9EC:D618:E6A4 (talk) 20:24, 18 August 2022 (UTC)