Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2005

Why on earth not a discussion page for the great Eurovision Sog Contest?
 * Because I think that Talk pages are generally reserved for discussion of the article rather than the topic it is about. I could be wrong, I don't know the convention, but all the Talk pages I have seen seem to follow that pattern. Sinistro 09:01, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * You are quite right. Wikipedia is not a general discussion forum, and the talk pages exist for editorial discussions about what the article should say (although other comments are acceptable up to a point). &mdash; Trilobite (Talk) 18:49, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Israel, Lebanon and Turkey
Are Israel, Lebanon and Turkey slowly being phased into the EU or something? Last time I checked these countries arent even in Europe, except Turkey which is partially in Europe. Why are these countries allowed in Eurovision?
 * I'm gonna be slightly rude here... but have you tried reading the Eurovision Song Contest article? ;) --Neo 22:48, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Seconded. Sorry .. The Songcontest has NOTHING to do with the EU. In fact, it's older really :D -ChiLlBeserker

First update
It was me Dankell who updated first who won the ESC 2005. In CET 00.33 22 May, I just have to say it! (Any Swedes? Check out the swedish update i did too: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovisionsschlagerfestivalen_2005)
 * Its not that much of a big deal, although congratulations I guess. Hedley 23:51, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Updating
This article needs updating from top through bottom. Hedley 23:51, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Eurovision?
I've read this article's introduction and don't really have a clear idea what "Eurovision" exactly is. Could someone clarify what Eurovision is in the intro, preferably in the first or second sentence? Thanks. -- tomf688 (talk) 01:12, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * That's what the Eurovision Song Contest article is about, this article is specifically about the 2005 contest. --Bjarki 01:24, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * There's not that much to it really: a load of people from various countries come and sing songs, and then the other countries award them points, and someone wins. But as Bjarki says, we have an article all about it. &mdash; Trilobite (Talk) 01:52, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

forget it a semi-final LOL -


 * @Bjarki: Readers shouldn't have to read several articles to understand the point of an article. It's just a sentence or two, which will clarify things greatly for non-Europeans who have never heard of a Eurovision. -- tomf688 (talk) 02:32, May 22, 2005 (UTC)


 * But we link to it in the first line. Under that logic we would have to explain what a computer program is in every article about a specific computer program, or say where Hungary is when describing location in an article about a Hungarian town. This is a pretty non-standard way of doing things. I've changed the opening sentence so that the phrase "Eurovision Song Contest" is linked in the bold text, if that makes it any clearer. &mdash; Trilobite (Talk) 02:44, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Andorra
I heard that one of the backers for Andorra had represented Spain before. --Error 04:33, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, Anabel Conde, who finished 2nd, some years ago. --Waninoco 23:08, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

My Number One (stolen???)
I am not sure but winner song was very similar to awaara hoon (A song from an old indian movie awaara).

Such a coward not to put your nickname!--Chronisgr 11:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

This article is too long.
We're getting warning messages about it. I think we can safely delete the massive end section with "information" about each entry. Most of it is fluff and of limited interest.
 * Denmark's entry has to be shortened. The song list is irrelevant. All other festivals have a page for the specific year, and that's what has to be done for Denmark's Melodi Grand Prix to, even if it means creating a stub. └ VodkaJazz/talk┐ 14:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * We need to agree on this point. We can't have half of the editors adding stuff and another half cutting it out! └ VodkaJazz/talk┐ 11:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Swedish!
Helena Papirizou is born in Greece, but she lives in Sweden, gothenburg! She speaks swedish and have also competed for sweden before. After the ESC, every newspaper in Sweden wrote like Sweden almost won.. (because of Helena s Swedish!) --dankell

Oh c'mon that's so silly. Helena is Greek but raised in Sweden. She represented twice Greece and never Sweden. She speaks Greek,Swedish,English,French and Spanish. Helena loves Sweden & Greece!--Chronisgr 22:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Italy's participation?
What happened with Italy? Why did it not participate? landroni


 * They don't participate from long ago, and I don't know why. I think they got angry with some rule, but I'm not sure at all... --Waninoco 23:10, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


 * A small remark on this should be contained in the article, as it is really strange for Italy not to be mentioned anywhere. landroni 15:37, 26 May 2005 (CET)


 * Italy in the Eurovision Song Contest. Italy participated in the Eurovision Song Contest every year from 1956-1997, except 1981-1982, 1986, and 1994-1996. It has not participated in the contest since 1997. Still, why? landroni 15:43, 26 May 2005 (CET)


 * They are boycotting it. bogdan &#676;ju&#643;k&#601; | Talk 13:51, 26 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Italy believed the contest was too old-fashioned and without relevance, and announced in the mid-ninties that it would no longer be taking part as a protest. It's national broadcaster doesn however remain a member of the EBU, leaving open the possibility, no matter how implausible, of italy's return. GerardT 02:05, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Italy are boycotting because of the votes to neighbouring countries without regard to the actual songs.


 * Italy is not exactly boycotting the festival. The Eurovision was based on the Italian San Remo festival, which is a much bigger event for the Italians. Because of the lack of interest in the Eurovision, coupled with the larger interest in the San Remo festival, RAI decided to stop funding the Eurovision and concentrate on San Remo. Kumorifox (talk) 18:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Runaway
GerardT, wasn't Malta also a favorite ? Maybe I'm of part but still... VodkaJazz 19:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Country in year pages
The indivdual national information needs to be moved to the "Country in the Eurovision Song Contes t year" pages like: Germany in the Eurovision Song Contest 1956, United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest 1974, Russia in the Eurovision Song Contest 2006, et cetra

Language of the Serbia and Montenegro song
It was written that Serbia and Montenegro song was performed in Montenegrin language, which is not true. In the time of the contest, official language of both Serbia and Montenegro was Serbian language. (see Constitution of Montenegro) Vanjagenije (talk) 08:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think some random user changed that a few days ago, but I wasn't sure which it was so I left it alone. If you feel you are right, change it. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 12:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Serbia had as the official language Serbo-Croatian language according to Constitution of Serbia at the time (2005). It was the new Constitution of Serbia that again made Serbian language official. Montenegro has as its official language the Montenegrin language. -- Imbris (talk) 23:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * To the IP-user: Stop adding Serbian language. The group came from Montenegro. Also the Constitution of the Republic of Serbia proscribed the formal official language as Serbo-Croatian. The Constitutional Charter of the State Union had not proscribed the official languages in the constituent republic's. -- Imbris (talk) 23:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The song Zauvijek moja was sung in Montenegrin, it contains the word đevojko if I remember correctly, that word is not in use in the standard Serbian language. The IP-user should stop, and Grk1011 should turn-on his neutrality to solve this. -- Imbris (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The same IP-user also edit-wars at Eurovision Song Contest 2007 even if 'Ajde, kroči was written and sung in the Montenegrin language. -- Imbris (talk) 22:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Now its my duty to come to the rescue? I don't know enough about the languages to get involved in another back and forth discussion. I would suggest page protection if the IP persists to change the language without a reason or source and would ask you, Imbris, to add a source that talks about the song in question. An analysis of the lyrics or a reference to the constitution will not suffice; the reference needs to say that the song was sung in x language. With a source like that, it is clear for every editor which language is correct (for the most part). Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 23:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It is not your duty, but if you could help. I am not a general ESC editor. -- Imbris (talk) 00:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

About Serbia & Montenegro flag
I watched Eurovision final recently and noticed that the flag is Serbian. Is there a mistake or everything were OK? --Martlarkis (talk) 13:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, the "wrong" flag appeared once, and was seconds latter replaced by the "correct" blue-white-red one. This happened just once, and most probably as a provocation by the ESC crew from Sweden. -- Imbris (talk) 22:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Look at this
Take a look at this AfD for a Eurovision 2005 related article on Suntribe. Users with Eurovision 2005 knowledge needed here.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:21, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Flag of SCG
You're not wrong when saying that the Yugoslav flag is used on the official site and during the voting segment, but prior to the performance you can see that the flag used was the red-blue-white one. Also, the state of the site in 2024 is irrelevant when talking about what the situation was like in 2005. Perhaps using two flags corresponding to the places where each one was used would be an option? — IмSтevan  talk 17:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The FR Yugoslavia flag, which was essentially the de facto flag of Serbia and Montenegro between 2003 and 2006 was also used on the Eurovision website back in 2005. It's also the flag used on the cover art of the official compilation album. Additionally, while you're correct that there was no de jure agreement between the two nations during the existence of the State Union, the flag that you added to the article was never adopted in any legal manner by Serbia and Montenegro during its existence, so I believe adding it here would be misleading (and which is also expressly forbidden to include on articles per the file's description). Given that the graphics elsewhere during both shows used the FR Yugoslavia flag (in the semi-final during the finalists announcement, and in the voting segment of the final), I believe it is reasonable to assume that the flag used in the on-screen graphics for the SCG entry was an error by the production team, and shouldn't be considered an attempt by either RTS, RTCG or the EBU to use a different flag to the one that was the de facto flag of the country used internationally. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 20:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair. Just pointing out that the description also it can be used "if the flag is locally used" and this would've been such case — IмSтevan  talk 20:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)