Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2013/Archive 5

Do we really need a section for Eric Saade's comment?
It seems pretty low-key compared to the rest of controversies/incidents of the year. If it could be compared to some other incident this year, it would be, in my opinion, to Finland's kiss, and yet that was something that was widely debated and (allegedly) almost made a broadcaster to back off from emiting the contest. Or, comparing to a similar incident, we have in 2011 A Friend In London's vocalist telling the Dutch spokesperson "I wanna f*ck you" when she gave them twelve points. It was covered in the group's article, but wasn't considered relevant enough to include it in the 2011 article. Any opinions? Not A Superhero (talk) 05:27, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not to sure myself to be honest. It does seem to be very lame, but then what is lame to one person could be melodramatic to another.  So I'm not fussed either way on this one, but if it were to disappear, then I wouldn't exactly miss it very much.   Wesley ♦ Mouse  05:50, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No strong views but on a related note why is he listed as a "presenter" in the info box? A couple of minutes in the green room out of several hours doesn't make you a presenter, it was a reporter role. Plus Mede specifically said at the start of the first semi final that she would be the sole presenter for the Eurovision - to add in Saade contradicts the official position as well as the reality that there was in substance only 1 presenter.  @WM I see you commented on this above - can this be changed? Thanks--Zymurgy (talk) 07:45, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with you Zymurgy regarding the presenter role. Eric was not a presenter, but a Green Room reporter - there is a huge difference between the two positions.  And you are right. Petra Mede did explicitly state that she was "a solo presenter" for the 2013 Contest.  If we're going to start including notable Green Room reporters, then perhaps the infobox fields need to be updated to include such information, and then that way we would be OK to include Eric.  Although I won't unilaterally change the infobox data without a majority consensus from project members.  Which reminds me, I can mention that in the upcoming RfC at WT:ESC once I get it reboted in a few days time.   Wesley ♦ Mouse  12:26, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It was considered controversial enough for the BBC to edit out his MILF comment on the night during the UK broadcast and on the version they put on their 'watch again' service for the week after the show. If as broadcaster as notable as the BBC thought it warranted such an action I guess that makes it worth including in the article Vauxhall1964 (talk) 15:50, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It is funny you should mention the BBC "watch again" service actually, as I downloaded that from BBC iPlayer (I have the iPlayer desktop thingy installed on my laptop). The MILF comment wasn't edited out from that.  And Lynda Woodruff's comedy sketch on the final also had a similar blunder that was never edited out both on the live broadcaster and the "watch again" services.  It was in the scene where she visited the "Royal Artillery".  She makes the comments "I'm surprised more gay... Eurovision fans haven't found this place yet".  There is a very notable pause between the blunder of "gay" and "Eurovision", as if she wasn't meant to say the former word.   Wesley  ☮  Mouse  05:52, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * But that wasn't a blunder, that was the joke (ie referring to the fact many Eurovision fans are gay). Vauxhall1964 (talk) 08:14, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as a gay man myself, I realised it was a reference joke to the gay community in the end. Too much on my mind lately that I forgot.   Wesley  ☮  Mouse  13:19, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Broadcasting
News reports from a selection of reliable sources are stating that China and America both broadcast the Grand Final. I've managed to find a source with broadcasting details for America (which apparently was shown on large outdoor screens at the Swedish Embassy in Washington DC). But I cannot find broadcasting data for China, other than Eurovisiontimes and EuroVisionary. Anyone any ideas on how we can find which TV Station in China broadcast the show, and whether or not they had commentators? Wesley ♦ Mouse 01:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Correct position of Belgium and The Netherlands
The Netherlands has recived once the 12 points so their classify is higher than Belgium (sorry for my English, I'm Italian). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.41.90.119 (talk) 12:23, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please place new comments at the bottom of the talk page, thanks. I have reverted your edit, the previous rules of determining placing by highest point received is now no longer used. It's which country received the most sets of points, Netherlands got points from 13 countries and Belgium got 14 sets. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 12:38, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Spelling in quotations
This article is written in British English - but there is a quotation with 'rumors'. Spa-Franks (talk) 20:05, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Be bold and correct these if you see them. c: Mr. Gerbear (talk) 20:28, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I know we have the "British English" banner at the top of the talk page. But I'm wondering if it is possible to use the same banner on the main article itself?  IMHO, that would be the most logical place to have the banner.   Wesley  ☮  Mouse  20:32, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Good news, we can add to the edit notice.  All we need now is an admin to edit the edit notice for us to achieve this goal.   Wesley  ☮  Mouse  20:41, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Brilliant; that will be useful! Hope it's convenient for them to tag all the past years' entries too (or will that not be needed?) Mr. Gerbear (talk) 02:15, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That could be an even better idea adding it to all articles, seeing as they are all written in British/European English. I'll hang around the watchlist and grab the nearest admin that I can find and see if they would mind doing this for us.   Wesley  ☮  Mouse  05:52, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've taken the liberty to seek admin assistance with this at Administrators' noticeboard/Archive250.  Wesley  ☮  Mouse  06:33, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added the edit notice as requested. Please note, however, that the original spelling of quotations should be preserved even if the article uses a different variety of English - see MOS:QUOTE for the guidelines. (Also, for next time, we have a system of edit requests for this kind of thing.) Best — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 09:19, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've also added edit notices to all contests back to 2005. Hopefully this should do the trick, but let me know if more are needed. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 09:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you ever so much Mr Stradivarius, much appreciated. Any chance of adding the same edit notice to next year's article (Eurovision Song Contest 2014) too?   Wesley  ☮  Mouse  09:36, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

As much as I appreciate this input, MOS:QUOTE is not clear on which form of English to use in quotations. I can only presume that 'rumors' is in the quotation. Should quotations change (in this example) to British English, or, at the very least, should it say 'rumo [u] rs'? Spa-Franks (talk) 15:40, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I would presume so, yes.  Wesley  ☮  Mouse  16:00, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking at MOS:QUOTE, it would appear that we would only use "rumo[u]rs" if we were to use the quotation template. As we haven't done so, and have adopted a normal written prose without the quotation template, then we should be safe to correct the spelling.  Wesley  ☮  Mouse  16:14, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The relevant part of MOS:QUOTE is the part that says "However, national varieties should not be changed, as these may involve changes in vocabulary, and because articles are prone to flipping back and forth. For example, a quotation from a British source should retain British spelling in an article that otherwise uses American spelling." Seems unambiguous to me, but if there's a part you're not sure about just ping me (so that I know I've been left a reply here) and we can straighten things out. I'll go and add the suggested 2014 edit notice now as well. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 09:02, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Theme Song
I recently found out that the theme song (used during the butterfly logo transition and credits) is "Wolverine" by Adam Kafe. I did not find an article, but it is on online music retailers. Is it worth mentioning in the article? Dfizzles (talk) 23:17, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I suppose it could be included under graphic design, which does mention about the butterflies. Are the sources reasonable?  (I quite liked that tune too, off to download myself a copy - thanks for the info Dfizzles.)  Wesley  ☮  Mouse  23:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * No sources but it's clearly it in any preview of the song. A song is a published work (technically)...Dfizzles (talk) 02:08, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Found a source - iTunes. And it mentioned the fact it was the theme tune for Eurovision 2013 too.   Wesley  ☮  Mouse  02:43, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Parade of Nations
I think the paragraph regarding the "Parade of Nations" in the introduction could be worded a little differently, there was already a "Parade of Artists" of sorts in the opening of Eurovision Song Contest 1983. Xelaxa (talk) 14:09, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

sync problems in norway
the second semi final went badly out of sync and the comments was lost at least in norway. i am too tired to search for a source but it should be easy enough to find.84.212.73.96 (talk) 17:24, 22 June 2016 (UTC)