Talk:Eusebio Kino

DISPUTED tag
Since it seems that the only disputed issue regards the name, and it has been resolved below, why don't remove the disputed tag ? StefanoC 15:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Noone is complaing, so I'll remove the tag... StefanoC 11:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Kino or Kühn?
I came across this article after reading another account that stated that Father Kino was German-born; the birthdate and some other data also differs significantly from what is listed in this article. The text below was taken directly out of the "Eusebius Kino" article in the Catholic Encyclopedia, which is referenced here:

"A famous Jesuit missionary of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries; b. 10 August, 1644, in Welschtirol (Anauniensis); d. 15 March, 1711. Kühn (his German name; Kino representing the Italian and Spanish form) entered the Upper German Province of the Society of Jesus on 20 November, 1665. He was professor of mathematics for some years at Ingolstadt, and went to Mexico in 1680. There he founded the mission of Lower California (Clavigero, 'Historia della California', Venice, 1787, I, 163 sqq.), the mission first beginning to develop when Father Kino, who had been working since 1687 in Sonora, crossed the Rio Colorado on a bold voyage of exploration, and discovered the overland route to California, which he thus demonstrated to be a peninsula. We owe our first exact information about this vast and at that time almost unknown country to the reports and cartographical sketches of Father Kino, who thoroughly explored the country several times, covering, according to Clavigero, more than 20,000 miles."

Rather than make what could be contested edits by incorporating the above, I'd prefer to get another party to review this material and "weigh-in" on the matter first.--Lord Kinbote 22:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Kino is definitely the most common form of the name, though it appears that he was actually born in what was Austria at the time of his birth. There are some obvious changes required, which I will make, then see where the rest goes. Mdhennessey 07:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Catholic Encyclopedia is way off the mark. First, Kino was born in Val di Non in the XVII century... which means he wes born within the Bishopric of Trent. His village, Segno, is today part of the municipality of Taio; searching the phone book (yes, I'm a local) I found that Taio, which has roughly 2700 inhabitants, totals 127 Chini families, and NO Kinos at all. In fact the form Kino was born because he was an Italian working with Spaniards: he wanted to preserve the "hard" c (otherwise they would have said it like "chili"), and the final o comes from the usual traposition from Latin to Romance languages of -us into -o (that is, he signed himself Kinus in Latin). Regards, Tridentinus 15:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, his baptismal papers register him as filius domini Francisci Chini (Studi trentini 1930, VIII, pg. 7). From the same source I get that his mother was a Margherita Luchi, and was baptised by don Vittore Barbacovi. Godfather was don Francesco Arnoldo, titular of the Taio parish, and Rosa, wife of Eusebio Chini from Segno. Tridentinus 16:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It is clearly not. Let us set the typical church Latin distortions of Non-Latin names aside which too often got butchered by priests who did not master classical Latin nor had a fundamental understanding of the languages of other ethnicities outside of their own, and sometimes not even that. See Kino's biographer Prof. Bolton et al https://books.google.de/books?id=P4VJySX8OjAC&pg=RA4-PA5&lpg=RA4-PA5&dq=Eusebius+Franz+K%C3%BChn&source=bl&ots=feA_bn2L43&sig=ACfU3U0XSxEi7ohXQzpUh01cf2h4q-tQbA&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Eusebius%20Franz%20K%C3%BChn&f=false Kino did not get his education in Italian-speaking institutions in Rome or anywhere where Italian was the main language (which would have been obvious and logical for a native speaker of Italian) but in German speaking ones in what is Austria today because the German language was his family's native tongue. The Kühne family of which Chini is the italianized form of the family name, stemmed from the local gentry which was largely German even in still using the German language in those days even though there is little doubt they will have been bilingual. The area where he was born was part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation back then. So he was legally what would be called a German (or Austrian) citizen today and would bear a passe-port from the afore-mentioned empire's authorities and not that of the Venetian Republic which was adjoining to the South and which was basically Italian-speaking, nor one from a Kingdom of Italy which was not even in existence yet. Kino's map of Lower California contains the information that he was German. So does Kino's statue in the Capitol in Washington D.C. No italianità to claim in questo caso, bel Paese, because il falsario della storia Tolomei was not even born yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C0:DF0F:FB00:299E:298C:3328:C82F (talk) 18:57, 29 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks--nice work! Mdhennessey 20:40, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Padre Kino wine
I added a sentence noting "Padre Kino" as Mexico's best known wine. Normally I would think its manufacturer ought to be mentioned. But right now companies and brands are being traded so fast that it is not easy to say who owns what at a given moment. Jm546 (talk) 04:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

European life
<.and he wasd(?) a strange bisexual man!!!> What is this? Thanks --93.146.221.58 (talk) 15:20, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

... educated in Innsbruck ...
It was not Innsbruck, it was in Hall in Tirol, a small city approx 10 km east of Innsbruck where the Jesuits ran a college in those times. The german article of Eusebio Kino describes this detail right. Ok if I change it? regards Jürgele (talk) (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:J%C3%BCrgele) 19:22, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Documentary?
I tried to add a reference to a documentary on Fr. Kino. My changes were rejected by a Bot. Can anybody help me? The changes were:
 * Through the Wilderness on Horseback - Scientist and Missionary: The Life of Eusebio Kino, S.J. (Fr. Christof Wolf SJ, Loyola Productions Munich, 2011) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wigal (talk • contribs) 19:09, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , it appears the bot had a false positive. It was wrong to revert you. I've reinstated your edit. It'd be especially great if you could expand the article using material from the documentary, but it's great that you've added it. Elizium23 (talk) 23:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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