Talk:Evan Bayh 2008 presidential campaign

Quoting again
[copied from user talk page] You intervened regarding Tom Vilsack so I'd like to ask you about this one without encountering personal attacks again. The original quote from http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/28/sr.fri/ is "When the history of our time is written, I believe it will judge as one of this president's greatest failings that he sought our highest office pledging to be a uniter not a divider, but instead divided America more profoundly then anytime since the Vietnam war." Evan Bayh presidential campaign, 2008, however, says "At the event he criticized President Bush for 'dividing' the nation..." Not only are the quotation marks around a single word, potentially causing misinterpretation, the word "dividing" is not even in the original quote. I removed them saying that it is not a quote and that it would be best rephrased, but William S. Saturn claimed it was a derivate of the word. I believe that is clearly a paraphrase using a different form of the word and cannot be used in quotation marks. Your thoughts? Thanks, Reywas92Talk 19:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I would leave the quotes off "dividing". It's a statement about what Bayh said, and there's no question he accused Bush of dividing the nation, so it's accurate as a paraphrase.  But see next section to come ... Wasted Time R (talk) 21:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Without the quotes the article is saying that George Bush divided the nation, which is a POV. --William S. Saturn (talk) 21:51, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think people will realize that it's Bayh saying that, but to be safe, you can say: "At the event he accused President Bush of dividing the nation..."  Wasted Time R (talk) 22:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Merit of this article
I really question the merit of this article existing. It's questionable whether Bayh even had a presidential campaign; if you go back through the archives of Template talk:United States presidential election, 2008 you'll see that it was much debated in 2007 and 2008. Whatever he did have was so short and so insignificant that it would be readily described in a paragraph or two in the Evan Bayh main article.

The effort that went into this article would have been much better spent on improving the Evan Bayh main article. Here we have 20 paragraphs on at most a momentary campaign, while Bayh's eight years as Governor of Indiana have only two paragraphs in the main article. That's crazy! Bayh's time as senator also needs improvement in the main article, as too much of it is listified, disjointed positions rather than real descriptions of his characteristics in the Senate.

This isn't an attack on the creator of this article, as he's also created Eugene McCarthy presidential campaign, 1968 recently, which is very, very, very worthy of its own article. And so are many others that could be created. In particular, if you look at Category:Republican Party (United States) campaigns, you'll see there's a shocking lack of articles on Republican presidential campaigns before 2008. Important non-nominee ones like Reagan 1976 and Pat Robertson 1988 are missing, not to mention famous nominee campaigns such as Reagan 1984, Goldwater 1964, and all three Nixon ones. Wasted Time R (talk) 21:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I was expecting for this to come up, given the question of whether he was a candidate or not. The buildup is particularly notable demonstrated by the references, and it would be out of place in the main article. My intention in creating this article was to show how early the process has started in recent years with close attention to the so-called "pre-campaign" events. The main article definitely needs to be expanded but this article is more about the process than the candidate. --William S. Saturn (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You're certainly right that the process starts early; Palin, Romney, Huckabee and some others are all in the pre-campaign process right now for 2012, and have been ever since the day after the election last November. And I could tell that's what you were trying to illustrate here (was it you that wrote that very long Chris Dodd campaign article that tried to illustrate the drudgery of extended Iowa campaigning?).  But still, it's a classic example of WP going overboard in one area while doing a weak job in another area right next door.  Wasted Time R (talk) 22:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The question we should be asking is what is more important: the candidate or the process. I tend to believe the process should be a higher priority, but there are exceptions. Articles such as this are showing how candidates, however meaningless they may be, are eliminated from the race, and what worked or didn't work in their run. Bayh's governorship is notable and it should be expanded but national politics always should take precedence over state level politics. I did write the Dodd article, and I am proud of it, not because of my opinion of the Senator but because it demonstrates the rigors of the campaign, something far bigger than Dodd. --William S. Saturn (talk) 23:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * There is probably a need for an article that explores the presidential nomination campaign process in general, and how it has evolved over the years. Maybe there is one and I haven't seen it?  Something like Bayh's over-before-it-started campaign could be used as an example of how the pre-campaign phase weeds out candidates.  I disagree with you, however, about "national politics always should take precedence over state level politics".  Bayh affected far more many lives and made much more impact on the world with what he did as governor than what he did via his momentary campaign.  Indeed, when WP articles do a really good job on covering governors, it often requires a subarticle, e.g. Governorship of Mitt Romney.   Wasted Time R (talk) 02:14, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

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I'd like a source to verify this
His withdrawal was tied to his public image, which characterized the candidate as "dependable" but "dull"., I'm considering deleting this phrase. A reliable source that directly credits this as the contributing factor for his withdrawal from the race should be cited. SecretName101 (talk) 04:17, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

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