Talk:Evander Holyfield/Archive 1

Chronology
The Tyson section does not need to bleed into 90 - 92. There is a whole section dedicated to their bouts. Give the article proper tense.

"He defeated Mike Tyson twice while Tyson was in his prime" .............What a load of rubbish! He did win the two bouts but lets be honest Tyson was not at his prime in 1997. Tyson had just done a long prison sentence and his personal life was a mess. Tyson was a thug and it’s hard to warm to him but saying he was at his prime as a boxer during the Holyfield fights is disrespectful. I believe Tyson’s prime was more like 1985-88 at a push.

I agree, on Tyson's second comeback he had fought Peter McNeely, Buster Mathis jnr, Frank Bruno and Bruce Seldon before fighting Holyfield. Hardly the prime of his career. This just seems to be an out of context stab at Tyson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.164.244 (talk) 01:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

(Untitled)
You neglect to mention that Holyfield was beaten easily in their first bout, and that the result of a draw was declared a farce across the boxing world. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.32.121.254 (talk • contribs). ...born 1966... ...began 1865 with a win... someone want to check the dates and correct? Actually, the first fight with Lewis was a legit draw, but only because Lewis is a rather inactive fighter. There were 5 rounds where Lewis clearly dominated, and 3 rounds where Holyfield dominated. That left 4 rounds that were virtually even. If you give those rounds to Holyfield, then you have a draw. When you consider that Holyfield was the reigning champion, it is understandable that the judges would have wanted Lewis to come take the title from him. Incidentally, Holyfield did considerably better in the rematch, and could have expected a draw, but got the loss instead. Interesting. Although some respected observers felt that the fight was a draw, the majority of press and public sentiment was that Lewis had won the fight. Holyfield was not the reigning champion - the bout was a unification match. Benbrindon 17:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Fought 10 Heavyweight Champions
I think it should be mentioned that Evander Holyfield has fought 10 heavyweight champions during his career which may be more than any other fighter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.160.103 (talk) 15:44, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

You guys forgot something
Holyfield contracted Hepatitis A sometime before the third fight with bowe Can we get a picture of Evander Holyfield that's safe for work? At least one without visible genatalia? this brings up a few questions for me. there's naked pictures of evander floating around? how did you find these, and why were you looking for naked pics of evander?
 * His Hepatitis was revealed in a pre-fight blood test before a scheduled fight against Vaughn Bean in 1998.Mk5384 (talk) 03:34, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Boxing career section too long
The "Boxing career" section is much too long. It should be divided into more specific categories of periods during his career instead of one behemoth of a section.

Heidi?
Just curious, why the bodaciously beautiful bootylicious bikini-clad bountiful bosomed babe? --Wingzerotype 13:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC) 'Cuz she got da jungle fever172.192.136.167 Hey, you guys might like her, but this is not the right opening picture for this article.

Trilogy with John Ruiz
The third fight with John Ruiz is completely wrong. Holyfield did not knock out John Ruiz in the 8th round. The fight went 12 rounds and was a draw. John Ruiz maintained the WBA belt since he was the champion. Evander did not win the belt, and did not knock out John Ruiz. Jamal7322002

Holyfield in pro wrestling
shouldn't it mention that Holyfield will box WWE Superstar Matt Hardy at the next WWE Saturday Night's Main Event? Hey that part that mention BET says its owned by MTV...BET is not owned by MTV...and Lewis definilty won both fights with holyfield...the second fight was closer...but the first fight..which was called a draw..was definitly won by Lewis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.255.7.143 (talk) 10:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's up, and will be updated after the fight airs on NBC tonight. Steveweiser 01:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * is that a second round TKO victory for Holyfield? haha —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Possible vandalism
Would someone please verify the two edits made by Special:Contributions/65.41.32.138 earlier today? ... richi 22:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Bowe, Holyfield, and Tyson
Why does the article say that he will be fightin Mike Tyson on Jan. 19th, Buster Douglas on Mar. 15th, and Riddick Bowe in mid-June? Can this info be sourced?--Jedi Kasra (talk) 23:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Where did you get the information that Mike Tyson beat Evander Holyfield at the age of 41? Unless you can give me a source I will be getting rid of it. IS THAT UNDERSTOOD? The K.O. King

You better obey the King or he will knock you out!!! Jedi Kasra —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.0.81.142 (talk) 00:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Blatant vandalism
After clearing up the blatant vandalism by 157.157.105.106 (incorrect win/loss summary, awful grammar, falsehoods etc) the "Years as Heavyweight Champion" section was still a mess (it looked like paragraphs had been cut and pasted into the middle of other paragraphs making it near impossible to comprehend). I've cleaned it up as best as I can by taking the last un-vandalised version I could find, but perhaps someone with more knowledge of Holyfield should give this article a once-over to check for any more vandalism?

Removal of "Allegations of HGH/Steroid Abuse" section by 86.129.11.10
This section was removed today by 86.129.11.10 without a comment to say why. Was that necessary? It looked fairly neutral POV to me, just reporting the facts, and even references an ESPN story on it. Should this section be re-instated? Ivor Longfellow (talk) 17:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

News
CNN reports (11:40 AM, June 6, 2008) that Holyfield is facing foreclosure on the gigiantic 200 acres estate and huge mansion he owns in Fayette Co. Ga. Present supposed market value 11 million but reportedly cost $40 million to build. His accountant reports Holyfield is attempting a loan to stave off this foreclosure. (The severe finanical crisis in USA hitting big and small alike; see also news on foreclosure on Ed McMahon). Good luck Evander ! /s/ willy 99.165.196.41 (talk) 15:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Valuev loss investigation
This should be added.

Valuev's controversial victory over Holyfield on 20 December 2008 is being investigated by the World Boxing Association. It said, in a statement, "The Championship Committee have ordered a panel of judges to review the tape of the fight between Valuev and Holyfield." There has not yet been given any date for the decision; with WBA stating the decision will be made in "the following weeks." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.198.193 (talk) 12:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The above information is now in the article.  Chzz  ►  02:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

editsemiprotected for Carlos DeLeon reference
Hello,

In 1988, Evander won the bout with Carlos DeLeon by TKO (technical knockout). The current page states knockout.

Perhaps this is immaterial.

Thanks

(above unsigned by 01:44, 26 April 2009   Chzz  ►  02:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC))


 * ✅ Information added, with a reference.  Chzz  ►  02:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd just like to point out that knockouts, as in the referee reaching the count of ten, are a rarity. And they are (rightfully) becoming even rarer. With concerns for safety, referees most often will stop a fight before a fighter is injured to the point where he is immobilised for ten seconds. A TKO is considered, for all intents and purposes, including a fighter's official record, to be a knockout. (The fighter is Technically Knocked Out.Mk5384 (talk) 01:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering...
...Holyfield's upcoming bout in Ethiopia is a charity event. As such, it won;'t go on his official record, will it?--69.21.103.254 (talk) 14:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The fact that a fight is to be a charity event is irrevelant. If it is an exhibition, it would not go on a fighter's record. In all other cases, it would.Mk5384 (talk) 06:04, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Link Mills Lane
The article mentions Mills Lane in the "Heavyweight champion: 1990-1992" section; this should be linked since he has an article. Lane was also the referee of the "bite fight"; the section "Holyfield vs. Tyson I & II; The Bite Fight" contains a sentence beginning with "The referee decided to disqualify Tyson initially...", which should be changed to "Referee Mills Lane decided to disqualify Tyson initially..." or something similar. 69.221.165.95 (talk) 01:02, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 21:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

5 Time Champion?
The claim that Mr. Holyfield has become a "5 times world champion" is highly dubious. The WBC, WBA, and IBF titles are universially regarded as "world championships". The WBO belt, is now considered by most to be a world championship. The WBF is widely unrecognised, and considered to be a "paper championship".Mk5384 (talk) 06:14, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Evander is a four time World Heavyweight Champion. Being the WBF Heavyweight champion does not make you a World Heavyweight Champion. It would only make him a World Heavyweight Champion if he held the Ring title with it, which he does not. Which is why Ricky Hatton was considered the World Light Welterweight champion when he held the IBO title, cause he had the Ring title with it.


 * To be considered a World Champion in Boxing, you have to hold either the WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF, or Ring titles. Holding a WBF, IBA, WBU, IBC, and IBO on its own does not make you a World Champion. Dan the Man1983 (talk) 15:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


 * We can use this as a source. The newspaper reports him as a 4 time World Heavyweight Champion even after his fight with Botha. Dan the Man1983 (talk) 20:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Holyfield vs Holmes
I have removed the statement about Holyfield having the energy to fight for 3 minutes each round, whilst Holmes did not. It is opinion. Holmes had stated that part of his strategy was to use his experience to his advantage, and make Holyfield tire himself out. Whilst Holyfield won convincingly, the reasons for his being able to win, and Holmes' lack thereof, are opinion, and do not belong.Mk5384 (talk) 08:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Rdbwiki, 22 May 2010
The following sentence in the first paragraph should be removed.

"He is the current WBF heavyweight champion."

According to both the Wikipedia WBF page, and the WBF web site, the Heavyweight title is vacant.

Rdbwiki (talk) 13:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Both World Boxing Federation and http://www.worldboxingfederation.net/wbfchampion.htm seem to list Holyfield as the current heavyweight champion. Please clarify if I have misunderstood. Tim Pierce (talk) 19:23, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Error
This is wrong: Currently a match in November 2010 in Copenhagen, Denmark against Brian Nielsen who is coming out of an 8-year retirement seems almost certain

Holyfield will fight Sherman Williams on November 5.

Holyfield-Sherman fight was in January 2011, not 2010.

Done Fixed--thanks. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Holyfield Vs. Klitschko
It appears Klitschko is going to fight someone else. Is this just a rumor or are there more sources for this? Normer (talk) 01:02, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 December 2011
Please can you remove the section on Evander Holyfield's page about his alleged steroid & hgh use as when you google his name it comes up in big blue letters. This allegation was not true as the orthorities agreed at the time & I know that he never used drugs.( I know this for a FACT). It was medication for his Father who did in the end pass away & when they realised this they took no further action. Also it was only the once his name was linked (The first one) & NOT a second in Sept 08. That was a seperate raid & no athletes were involved in that,it just happened to be the same day that the documents were realised to the media about the first allegation. Hopefully you can remove this from his page. Thank you in advance

95.148.153.203 (talk) 00:26, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's reliable sourced, and who are you to know for a fact that he didn't do any? C T J F 8 3  15:10, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Professional Career
It looks like this story finally has an ending; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2218031/Evander-Holyfield-retire--Jeff-Powell-boxing-column.html He can't convince anyone to give him another title shot, and he doesn't think he has time to become the #1 contender, so last month he announced his retirement. Would somebody please insert this?74.111.127.147 (talk) 06:41, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That Daily Mail story predicts he will retire, but he changed his mind.--Jahalive (talk) 21:12, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I'll be darned. Still, the "changing his mind" was only a source saying he's "unsure" (http://digitaljournal.com/article/335321). It's still probably worth noting that he's considering it.74.111.127.147 (talk) 22:42, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

It dont say nutting bout him working at Epps aviation in 1981 with me.. in the line shack.. and how the other guys used to tease him and call him Chimp behind his back.. but I encouraged him, and look how it turned out.. I guess Champ must have been about 18 then, shadow boxing baloons out on the ramp at night during the night flight event.. and I was gonna be his personal pilot one day to. AMERICANWORKMULE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.36.185 (talk) 16:34, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

time in Alabama
Your article states that Holyfield moved to Atlanta at age two (though the summer of 1964 would have made him not yet two.) However an interview that aired this morning on NPR's morning edition with his older brother Bernard, (interview is here: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=169600706&m=169685550 ) Bernard Holyfield relates an incident that occurred when he (Bernard) was five and Evander was four, at their home in Alabama. As Evander's brother can be considered a first hand source, you may want to research the date at which he moved to Atlanta, because the interview that aired today directly contradicts what you have written.

Until the date is settled, you may want to replace the text that, "The youngest of nine children, Holyfield and his family moved to Atlanta in the summer of 1964, at the age of two. He began boxing at age 12 and won the Boys Club boxing tournament. " to, "The youngest of nine children, Holyfield and his family moved to Atlanta, where he began boxing at age 12 and won the Boys Club boxing tournament. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roadwalker (talk • contribs)


 * Yes check.svg Done -Nathan Johnson (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 April 2013
Holyfield is the only four-time World Heavyweight Champion.

174.45.68.234 (talk) 02:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Already done It is in the last sentence of the lead.--Jahalive (talk) 12:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 April 2013
correction from earlier edit. holyfield is the only five-time heavyweight champion of the world.

174.45.68.234 (talk) 02:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Not done: He is not a five-time heavyweight champion. He was already champion when he beat Moorer to win the IBF title.--Jahalive (talk) 12:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 October 2013
Date of Holyfield v Oquendo was November 10th 2006

86.159.137.12 (talk) 00:19, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for pointing out the error. -- Neil N  talk to me  03:09, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Celebrity Big Brother controversy
Should something be written about Evander's remarks on Celebrity Big Brother 2014 (episode 5 January) about gays? During the episode he said that gay boxers should not come out and then he compared gays to handicapped people that can be cured. 85.74.138.187 (talk) 01:49, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Yes. I added in something, but it can be expanded with better detail. I'm not interested enough to read about it. Teammm  $talk email$ 11:08, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

On the episode of January 10th Evander said that he once violently punched a horse because he had fallen off of it. Should that be added? It's very barbaric and of course illegal. 85.74.138.211 (talk) 01:03, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Provide a source to support and others will address it. Teammm  $talk email$ 04:06, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

http://www.tmz.com/2014/01/10/evander-holyfield-punched-pregnant-horse-big-brother/ and http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/celebrity-big-brother-evander-holyfield-3009773

He also said that the horse was pregnant which makes his crime even more disgusting. 85.74.138.211 (talk) 12:46, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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