Talk:Event Horizon (film)/Archive 2

New version of article removed
I remember reading this page around November or October 2007 and I thought it was a rather informative synopsis of the film. I come back in January 2008 and the article is rewritten in a very poorly-versed, uninformative POV format, that has more inappropriate tones, poorly-dispersed plot-relevant information (such as beginning a paragraph with "Before this happened..." in relation to the previous paragraph), terrible sentence structure and vocabulary, and is actually less of an interesting read than it was before. Do not change it back to its revision as of January 2008 because that poorly-written, uninformative garbage sullies a once-great article. PsychoJosh (talk) 01:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Horror Ending
I thought the movie ended with the ship closing its doors on the rescuers at the very end. Am I wrong?

Nope, it happened. I made the edit in the summary, if any one wants to argue about it.--Waxsin 17:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It wasn't really a horror ending as in the commentary the director seemed to indicate that it was just the doors closing, the 'horror' part was that the girl had been driven insane. (Which is admittedly less cool) Jamhaw (talk) 20:21, 26 January 2009 (UTC)jamhaw

Influences
The storyline of Event Horizon was already intact before writing for the movie ever began. It's been extracted from those responsible for this film that the story of Event Horizon was actually based off of a Dark Heresy campaign, a Role-Playing system taking place in the Warhammer 40,000 universe. This is why there are so many similarities to 40k within the film; it is 40k. Or rather, Warhammer 2k. Now, as to the rest of the points here, yes, it does at least nod to most of those as it is a mainstream film, and probably would not have worked out so well if it was written from the start in the 40k universe. Karitan Aegis (talk) 13:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's really interesting about it being based on Warhammer 40K. I never even thought of it when I saw it, but now I totally can. If anyone can find sources etc. that would be a good addition to the article. :) 7.7.12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrZarbon (talk • contribs) 06:12, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I honestly don't understand why this film gets bagged on so much. It scared and scarred me when I saw it in theaters. Visually disturbing and truly horrific. The plot is fairly original with the occasional nod to Alien or hellraiser. Some people think it makes no practical sense (ie how could a black hole open a gateway to hell, etc) but that same argument could be used for the Matrix, Jurrasic Park or any other sci-fi film. I think it does a good job of creating enough realism in its story to work. Obviously its not an artistic masterpiece like the shining but its got a lot of great moments and well worth viewing.


 * The Matrix had a self-consistent story. Jurassic Park? Self-consistent story. Black holes are not a magic wand to turn your movie into fantasy. Why not just turn the ship into Velveeta cheese? I mean -- it's a black hole -- anything can happen! There's a reason they call it "science" fiction. And there's a reason why it got 22% on Rotten Tomatoes. Frankly, it's amazing it managed to get that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.85.115 (talk) 21:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no reason to take the destination of the gravity drive too literally. In the initial discussion between DJ and Miller, the latter asks if DJ "really believes in that stuff".  DJ's response seems to establish that 'hell' is only intended as a metaphorical description of the 'other side' of the gravity drive, as in a hell-like place.  It is not intended to mean that the destination is literally hell in a biblical sense. 79.77.32.208 (talk) 19:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, why would that Black hole thing be unrealistic? Do we know what's inside of a Black hole? Do you? No. We don't know nothing about it. Why is it always the Horror flicks getting the bashing? If you don't like this genre then F*** off! Leave my favorite genre alone if you can't stand it. Maybe you're too much of a pussy for these kind of films. Maybe you guys hate this movie because it is beyond you! Is it that you lack brain capacity to fully understand this movie? Then go watch Happy Tree Friends. OVER AND OUT

Its also a franchise that could be revisited and played with more if the right people got on board.


 * "The plot is fairly original with the occasional nod to Alien or hellraiser."


 * Let's not forget Doom. ;) -Dan 05:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * m.russian: agree with you comrade

'Fairly original with a nod to Alien and Hellraiser'??? Its a massive rip-off of Tarkovsky's movie SOLARIS with references to Alien, Hellraiser, Don't Look Now, The Haunting and every other famous scary movie. I thought this was a horrible - if extremely effective - film. I remember going in thinking I would have a fun few hours and came out shaking. Couldn't sleep that night. I suppose that means that the film did its job! Reading that there were 30 minutes more of even more graphic material which the film makers regret taking out really disturbs me! And how someone can take Tarkovsky's movie which is all about redemption and turn it into this film is beyond me!


 * Let's not forget Warhammer 40K too. Looks as if the ship went through The Warp. Tanyiliang 09:06, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the influence behind several of these supposed other influences is also the apparent influence in "Event Horizon." I'm thinking of the Cthulu mythos of H.P. Lovecraft. The notion that it might be possible through science-gone-wrong to open a portal to another dimension in which powerful malevolent entities rule has its origins with several of Lovecraft's works, such as "The Dunwich Horror" and "Dreams in the Witchhouse." In works like Alien, the Lovecraft debt is more slight, limited to the nastiness and tentacled appearance of the alien species. But in the more supernatural works, we see the malevolent dreams. What especially joins Lovecraft and "Event Horizon" is the sci-fi setting for what otherwise appears to be supernatural horror. The worst demons of our nightmares are revealed as extra-terrestrial beings of extreme power with considerable indifference toward humanity.Ftjrwrites (talk) 20:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

The film probably gets "bagged" so much because the script is laughable and it's riddled with "idiot plot" devices. They're not even IN the ship for ten seconds before they decide to split up! I character stands there staring helplessly at a ticking bomb with a large and conspicuous "disarm" button until he gets blown up! At one stage, the characters get chased into the control room by an unseen force, make a big to-do about sealing the door, and then have to leave ten seconds later to answer a call for help. How do they leave? Nobody in the space agency seems to be able to even recognise Latin as a language, but TJ does. In spite of ample evidence that Weir has dangerously lost the plot, nobody makes any effort to keep an eye on him until explosives start going missing.

(1) They split up because nobody could have guessed the ship would be possessed by a Chaos Entity. (2) The disarm button is small and he was stunned by the five seconds. (3) Not that many people speak Latin anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Ryan (talk • contribs) 01:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * About the fact that they split up so quickly: if you were in space quite literally billions of miles away from any form of life whatsoever, then there would be no reason not to split up quickly; there should have been no actual threat to them.

And yet in spite of all this and more, it is a tremendously frightening film (the first time you see it, at least), and very different in atmosphere from Paul Anderson's other movies. It very much resembles "the Shining" in directing style. Note the quick cross-cuts to a horrific image and the use of atonal sounds to put nerves on edge. In fact, you could pretty much subtitle this one "The Shining on the Space Odyssey Ship", if you wanted to be brutally accurate. Regardless of where they ripped off the plot, the style is a quite effective imitation of Stanley Kubrick. It's noticable that when Weir turns into a Hellraiser-clone (not so much a "nod" as a full-blown mime act), it turns into fairly standard action-horror material and a lot of the tension evaporates.

Call me crazy, but I see a lot of plot similarities to the old 1979 Disney film Black Hole. Is that just me?--68.0.144.96 22:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * What, just because a small, modern ship discovers the apparently lifeless hulk of an old, experimental and far less sleek ship in a dangerous environment, and approaches it at great risk to itself, becoming damaged in the process, and thus forcing the crew to remain aboard the increasingly sinister larger ship, only for the smaller ship to be later destroyed entirely? :-P
 * I watched The Black Hole about five million times as a kid, and the first time I saw Event Horizon at the cinema and watched the Lewis and Clark shining its searchlight on the larger ship, I thought back to my childhood favourite... I wonder if that was intended by the makers? Dave-ros 22:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The director, thinks that the film is heavily influenced by the black hole and Solaris (says so in the commentary) but apparenltly the writer (who I would assume came up with those scenes) insists that he has not seen them something that Anderson seemed to find hard to believe. Jamhaw (talk) 20:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)jamhaw

Urban Legend?
This film is in Category:Films based on urban legends, I'm just wondering why? I don't remember any urban legends about spaceships in the future travelling to hell using experimental faster-than-light propulsion technology then returning as living ships when I was growing up. However I may just be getting old... I'll take the category off shortly, but I'll wait to see the consensus. Driller thriller 09:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, there is no reason to have this film in the urban legend category.


 * What about the one where the couple are in the demon spaceship and there's a bulletin on the radio about a jail escapee and when they get back to Earth... there's a hook on the handle of the ship :)

Haven't seen it. Indie film? :)


 * No, I think you're thinking of the old lady who put her cat in the Gravity Drive... Worloq 19:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Flags...
Several references are made in this article to a "Union Jack", it is only ever a "Union Jack" when on a ship, otherwise it is a "Union Flag". I supposed you could refer to it as a "British Union Flag" to avoid confusion with people unfamiliar with this fact. Please could someone correct this mistake.


 * Fixed, along with some other vexillological errors and added more detail to that section. Cheers. Driller thriller 00:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Wrong. Doctor Who is not an accurate resource. It's also worth mentioning that in the old storypaper The Union Jack, the tale is told that as the union of England and Scotland happened under the rule of James 1st, which at the time would have been written as "Jacques", the flag was initially known as "Jacques Union" and this eventually mutated. Also technically the flag is being "flown on a ship" in the film anyway. 82.153.230.138 (talk) 20:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure what the Doctor Who reference is about but the "Jacques Union" thing is a folk etymology crock. And the flag isn't in the film; besides, if it were, it would be on Sam Neill's arm not a ship. 1908 saw the flag referred to as the 'Union Jack' by Parliament but an Admiralty circular of 1902 had established either name as correct and the 'Union Flag' was referred to by royal decree in 1606; this is all rather irrelevant since Wikipedia seems to have lumped with Union Flag. Anyway, what was the Doctor Who comment about? I'm intrigued. Marshall (talk) 00:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * In one episode of Dr. Who, Rose (the Doctor's companion) scolds a man for calling the Union flag 'Union Jack' and tells him the flag is only called Union Jack on a ship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.150.36.186 (talk) 22:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

For accuracy's sake, it bears mentioning that there is in fact no rule to the effect that 'Union Jack' cannot be used to describe the flag on land. The controversy over this is relatively recent. The name of the national flag was established as 'Union Jack' in 1908 - see the Wikipedia entry on Union Jack for details. - Shrivenzale 18:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

In any event, you're all wrong since the flag patch on Sam Neil's arm is the Australian flag with the Union Jack (or the Union flag if you want to be anal about it) replaced with the Aboriginal flag that represents the indigenous populations of Australia. There's an example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_Flag

And this always seemed a little odd considering Sam Neil is a New Zealander and speaks with a light NZ accent.

(58.170.90.253 (talk) 04:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC))


 * They are on a ship, so it's the Union Jack, surely. --82.47.43.217 (talk) 20:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
In the commentary for the "Critter Christmas" episode of South Park Matt and Trey say that the 'bloody orgy' part was inspired by the movie. They even talk about it a bit. Reference worthy? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ListedRenegade (talk • contribs) 00:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

I don't know if this is relevant, but after watching the film, I noticed a lot of Mayan themes went into the design philosophy of the Event Horizon ship itself (which is freaky and deliberately inhumanly designed, it would seem) For example, the opening from which the black hole comes is strikingly similar to the Mayan Calendar Wheel, and the green plates that line many of the corridors seem to have the shape and general look of codex pages.


 * I don't see how that's "inhumanly designed", unless you're claiming that the Mayans weren't human . . .--Redwulf25 ci (talk) 23:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if this is worth looking up, but it might add something to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.195.123 (talk) 07:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Minor Edit
The synopsis states that in the recovered and reconstructed log, the captain says "Liberate tutame excavatem..." etc (couldn't remember the rest, but it was correct latin for "Save yourself from hell." The actual line the captain says is "Liberate tuteme ex inferis", which although (as I understand it) is grammatically incorrect, is infact the line the captain states, and not the former grammatically correct version.  I edited it to reflect this as the plot summary is talking about what he SAYS, not what he would say if he were speaking Latin correctly. 59.100.20.227 12:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It's incorrect either way; "servate" or "conservate" are closer in meaning to "save." ;)

Weir activates the Gravity Drive
Minor edit, in the summary it states that, 'Miller engages the ship's gravity drive on a 10-minute countdown to initiation in order to scuttle the ship', this is incorrect, Weir activates the gravtiy drive to take the ship into 'hell'. Miller scuttles the ship by activating explosives in the ships neck.  Nikz bitz  Talk Contribs 08:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Black hole, not wormhole
The film makes a particular point toward the end of the phenomenon created by the gravity drive being a black hole, not just a wormhole. These are are related but quite different phenomenon. The point is even more clear in the in the dialog from the entity toward the end in the original script. There's no reference I can recall to "wormhole." So I've changed this reference in the article.Ftjrwrites (talk) 20:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Neill/Wier states that the drive creates a black hole to use as a power source. "Wormhole" is not mentioned, but a bridge (Einstein-Rosen Bridge) through folded spacetime is a wormhole. Slightly amended, "bridge" piped to wormhole. Jaydec  (talk)  18:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Plot summary
At around 1400 words, the plot summary had been tagged as overlong. I've reverted the content to an adequate but much briefer (800 words) version from an older revision. . --Tony Sidaway 19:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's been bloated up again. I'll restore to the same version.  Please don't add huge gouts of stuff to the plot summary without discussion.  It's pretty well big enough. --Tony 06:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

DOOM 3
Did the movie have influence on the making of DOOM 3? Does somebody know? Teleportation experiment gone wrong; Crew and ship sent straight into Hell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.94.186.41 (talk) 12:44, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

DooM 3 is based on Doom 1, which in turn, event horizon borrowed ideas from. Mainly, the idea of scientific breakthrough is actualy a portal to hell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.112.117.187 (talk) 00:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Borrowed ideas, yes. But this "hell" is not similar to that of the Doom universe, but is rather an interpretation of the sentient, malignant entity that is the "warp" in Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karitan Aegis (talk • contribs) 17:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Possible Influence
This movie's plot is very similar to the 2002 film Ghost Ship's plot. Is it possible that this film could have influenced the writers of Ghost Ship? USN06 (talk) 11:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I saw 'Ghost Ship' last year. When it got to the very end, and it is made clear that the danger is in fact not over, I thought: "Hold on a minute... This is the exact same story as 'Event Horizon'!" Perhaps we could find other films that EH has influenced, and include a list of them in the article.79.68.27.12 (talk) 23:11, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and not to mention that they decide to blow the ship up in both films.--Metalhead94 (talk) 19:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

In Media section
Wasn't there, at one point, a line about the "Event Horizon Found" headline on the newspaper in the F.E.A.R game? This seems more relevant than the one in there now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.64.16.58 (talk) 15:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm removing the statement that Dead Space is an XBox 360 game since it is actually multiplatform. I don't know about the F.E.A.R. question though. 98.193.232.86 (talk) 12:44, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Another Minor Edit
I edited out the mention of sodomy in the list of acts preformed by the original crew of the Event Horizon. Sodomy is nowhere depicted in the film, nor is it mentioned at any point. Also it's my first Wikipedia post (I just saw the movie) so let me know if I did it incorrectly.

Thatnarrowfellow (talk) 15:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Might you have seen a censored version? What version of the film did you see? Was it on TV? --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 19:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I suggest you watch the film again - you're correct sodomy isn't mentioned, but it does appear during the restored log sequence.Archiewood (talk) 13:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Use freeze-frame to step through the restored log sequence. The "sodomy" is not actually explicit, but pretty clearly implied. But the whole sequence goes by so fast that it leaves more of an impression of degeneracy than anything specific. --Rpresser 00:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * My mistake. --Thatnarrowfellow (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 13:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC).

Missing Cast Member
'Starring' list of the cast members doesn't include Jason Isaacs as DJ, despite his mention in the main body of the text. Suggest rectifying this.

Dead Space?
It's mentioned that Dead Space borrows heavily from plot elements of Event Horizon, using Zero Punctuation as a source. From my time playing Dead Space I couldn't find anything that was similar in plot to the movie except for the poorly lit corridors. :\ --Opacic (talk) 16:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Really? You didn't notice the rescue ship sent to the much larger ship that happened to be filled with creatures from hell instead of a crew? Or the "living" ship? etc etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.103.33.120 (talk) 03:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Although it is most definitely influenced by Event Horizon, it's original research AND blogs are not reliable sources. Oh and Dead space's creatures are alien lifeforms... not hellspawns... but yeah... VERY closely related plot, but blogs can't be used. 98.198.83.12 (talk) 06:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

It says Dead Space is a 'seventh generation console' game, however, it's available on the PC, admittedly as a direct console port (unless you define direct console port to not include things like "mouse control, text chat in game, and graphics settings.") Not sure of the proper formatting for this so I left it as is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.122.177 (talk) 07:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I haven't fully played the game, and I've only read the plot summary for this movie, and there's a heavy correlation between Dead Space and Event Horizon. A small rescue team is sent up to check out a distress signal. There's a huge massacre on the ship. Both stories seem to have the same initial plot. But I wouldn't know any other similar details yet. Jake2034 (talk) 18:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Takes elements from? How?
In the production section, it reads, "The film takes elements from other films in the science fiction and horror genres, such as ... Sphere ..." How could Event Horizon have been influenced by Sphere, since Event Horizon was released in 1997, and Sphere wasn't released until 1998? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.249.47.164 (talk) 20:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Removed, as it was uncited OR that had been tagged since last year. Doniago (talk) 19:43, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Additional Reference
Ok. The game the white chamber by Studio Trophis is clearly influenced by this film. Now, that, by itself, does not warrant an inclusion, I understand that. However, there is a *direct* reference to the film. The line "Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see" is spoken by Weir near the end of the film, and the exact same quote is in the game (in written form). In fact, the game shares many themes with "7 Days a Stranger," another game that is on the page. The game shares a lot with the film: spooky, abandoned space facility; ghastly hallucinations; lots of blood; plus one of those "it's not over!" endings. Another editor is contesting its inclusion, but what are some others' thoughts? Eridani (talk) 19:02, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there a reliable source establishing that the game is influenced by the film, or is this original research? No matter how "obvious" it may be that x is a reference to y, the criteria for WP inclusion is verifiability, not truth. What would be awesome would be an interview with the creators of the game in which they mention the film. Doniago (talk) 19:39, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There used be a developer's blog somewhere that spoke of their inspiration. Can't seem to find it now, must have disappeared when ST closed its doors.  Ok, I'm letting the matter rest, it was kinda silly to begin with.  Eridani (talk) 03:27, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone have any idea as to why the film made a loss?
I know you are not allowed to express opinion on Wikipedia - but it's a stunning movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.35.228.11 (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It's too much horror for sci-fi fans, too much sci-fi for horror fans, not quite one yet not quite another. The philosophical implications alone turned off many hard sci-fi fans. Me? I liked it. Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 19:08, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * No way, it makes the same sense from either scientific or horror perspectives as Hellraiser. A masterpiece. Love it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.15.152.66 (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Reference in Futurama?
Half of the episode Moby Dick (S06E21) seems like a thematic reference to Event Horizon. Anyone else notice this? Thegeniusboy05 (talk) 02:37, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Unless there's a reliable source making the connection, this would constitute original research and can't be added to the article. Doniago (talk) 13:30, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Please Theeniusboys05 hurry to blog about this fact so everyone is happy (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/citogenesis.png) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.15.152.66 (talk) 15:50, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Untextured CGI scene
When they board the Event Horizon, before they turn the gravity on, the tools shown floating in the corridor are flat shaded and untextured. Is that just bad CGI work or a result of rushed post production? Bizzybody (talk) 10:01, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Alien
"the film initially received negative reviews upon release with most critics comparing the film to Alien, Hellraiser, The Black Hole, Solaris, and 2001: A Space Odyssey."

wat

Derwos (talk) 07:15, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Editing Deleted Footage part
I just added some information and links about deleted footage of the movie, but honestly, i think i did a bad job with it, so if anyone can edit this part and References in much better way, please go right ahead. If any help or further info is needed, let me know and i'll do my best to help. Andrew Ryder (talk) 19:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

weir at the end
Wasn't weir, in the rescue party at the end, just a hallucination that only lasts a few seconds? The article states weir is posing as a rescue team member. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.206.154.127 (talk)
 * No, the article specifically states that he is seen as an image. I think that's reasonably clear, but you're welcome to suggest alternate wording. DonIago (talk) 12:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Reasonably clear wouldn't say newly awakened Starck sees a nightmare image
 * Reasonably clear would say "she has a hallucination of Dr. Weir as a member of the rescue party." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.206.154.127 (talk • contribs)
 * A newly awakened Starck hallucinates that a scarred Dr. Weir is posing as one of the rescuers and explodes into a state of extreme terror. Does this work for you? Also, please sign your comments by inserting four tildes (~) at the end. Thanks. DonIago (talk) 14:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Salt Mine?
Part of the deleted footage section claims that missin footage was found in a salt mine in Transylvania... Really...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.253.155 (talk) 01:26, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I also found this to be pretty ridiculous... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:281:8301:1598:DC39:78C1:67CE:CECC (talk) 03:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Cult
The claim that the film has a cult following keeps getting added to the article, but there are no sources indicating that this is actually the case. There's a source that refers to the film as a "cult classic", but this seems to used about just about any film that is older than a decade or two and which is seen differently compared to when it came out.

Where exactly are the signs that Event Horizon has a cult fanbase?

Peter Isotalo 15:52, 1 November 2015 (UTC)