Talk:Evgeny Belyaev

Notability
This superb lyrical tenor did not get the worldwide acclaim that he deserved during his lifetime; possibly because his prime occurred in the middle of the Cold War. Also his fame was subsumed within the fame of the Alexandrov Ensemble itself, when perhaps he would have gained greater personal fame had he pursued his natural course in the international opera circuit. However, it happens that he sang one of the orginal definitive recorded versions of Kalinka, and perhaps due to that, he is now becoming widely recognised and appreciated on websites such as YouTube. This is partly the result of the song Kalinka being recently associated with Chelsea Football Club. --Storye book (talk) 20:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Discography
Some of the items listed may be duplicated, due to vagaries of translation. I plan to add links to many items, showing the albums they come from, but I expect this to take a couple of months. Please would you kindly either (a) assist with this task if you can, or (b) be patient until my CDs arrive in the post overland from the US, and I can add the data myself. Thank you.--Storye book (talk) 13:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
A big thank you to Frog, who initially sent me some facts and links, which enabled me to get this page started. Without Frog, there would be no E. Belyayev page. This has been a truly international effort: Frog from Korea, me from the UK, and our most useful internet sources from Japanese and Russian websites - and not forgetting some very helpful Wiki reviewers who may, for all I know, be in the US. Thank you everybody! --Storye book (talk) 00:18, 12 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Storye book (talk • contribs) 21:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Page move
I (wrongly) chose the pre-existing title "Yevgeny Belyayev (Singer)" from Wiki Disambiguations for the tenor Evgeny Belyaev, thinking in error that this was a house-style Wiki/US spelling of the name translated from Russian. I'm about to move this page from "Yevgeny Belyayev (Singer)" to "Evgeny Belyaev" for two reasons:

(a) If you google "Yevgeny Belyayev" you get the skier or the pop singer (plus a few private individuals with the same name). If you google "Evgeny Belyaev" you get the tenor from the Alexandrov Ensemble (plus a few individuals with the same name). Evgeny Belyaev has always been the English spelling for the tenor used on the Alexandrov Ensemble record sleeves, in English Media and by fans on YouTube. It's also the spelling used by Google Translate Tool.

(b) Wiki members, while helpfully tidying articles, have started to remove "(singer)" from links to the "Yevgeny Belyayev (singer)" page, unfortunately and unintentionally creating a link to the skier Belyayev instead. (This happened on the "Kalinka (song)" page).

So Administrators please kindly don't tag the moved page until I can correct all the spellings and the links to the article. Thank you. --Storye book (talk) 11:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Update: The page Yevgeny Belyayev (singer) has now been moved to Evgeny Belyaev; all previous links to Yevgeny Belyayev (singer) have been corrected to direct links to Evgeny Belyaev; all spellings of Belyaev have been corrected on the re-titled/moved page. --Storye book (talk) 12:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Critical commentaries on videos: please read this before editing
Please note that the critical commentary on a music video which appears in the article is a necessary part of the Fair Use Rationale for the Non-free content licence of the screenshot image referred to in the commentary. No critical commentary = no screenshot image: it's as simple as that. At the time of writing this (June 2009) we have no available alternative image of this soloist in performance.

Of course the critical commentary is subject to editing, improvement, inline references, Wikifying and the rest, just like the rest of the article, and you are welcome to do this. But please don't delete it entirely (or we lose the image). If you do edit it, please copy your edits exactly on the image filepage. NB: The commentary has to be about the video from which the screenshot was taken, and not about identifying the soloist or for any other reason - otherwise the image licence becomes invalid.

Thank you for your cooperation.--Storye book (talk) 16:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Quarrel between Belyaev and B.A. Alexandrov, 1980
I am writing this here in the hope that someone may contribute some reliable sources for the rumours about this quarrel. There has been a rumour that Belyaev quarrelled with Boris because Boris would not allow Belyaev's son to join the choir. A second suggestion agrees that the quarrel happened, but says that it is not known that either of Belyaev's sons was a singer, and that the quarrel is much more likely to have happened because Belyaev wanted more solo-concert time, and Boris would not agree to it. These theories come from Russia, by the way, and I do not - so that's why I am asking for help on this. --Storye book (talk) 10:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

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Google translate
Google translate should not be used. The reason is that when the underlying link dies (as so many in this article have), the translate no longer works. Then, the link rot bots are unable to save the URL because translate.google.com is not saved at Wayback Machine. So I had to go through and remove all the translates and this allowed the creation of archive pages. We should not be adding third party layers on top of URLs. It's a nice gesture, but readers are capable of using whatever service they want, and it creates a brittle article that is prone to break. I notice there are still many dead links in this article that are not marked as dead, it would be good if someone could manually check every URL an add a tag if needed so the bots can save the link. -- Green  C  13:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Trivia
There's a trivia fact I wanted to add to this article about his song Beautiful Moonlit Night:
 * The intro to this song can be heard playing in a few episodes of the animated series SpongeBob SquarePants.

Do you think it should be added? Spongemoore (talk) 00:20, 24 August 2021 (UTC)


 * The usual way to do this is to start a new section called "Popular culture", and list it using a bullet point. Because this is an article about the singer and not the song, you would first need to check whether the cartoon uses the actual Belyaev recording. Other soloists of the Ensemble, before and after Belyaev, recorded it too - for example, Polotzov. Storye book (talk) 09:35, 24 August 2021 (UTC)