Talk:Evolution and the Catholic Church

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I have edited references of the catholic church "refining" its attitude to the literalism or otherwise of their religious texts and interpretation thereof to "revised". I believe that this term is more neutral and accurate, given there is no empirical evidence to support the idea that a literalistic or allegorical interpretation is superior to the other. "refinement" carries with it the notion of improvement, where as "revised" can imply such but doesn't by necessity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.229.73 (talk) 07:39, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Obviously, the best word would be, "evolved." Probably too provocative, though. Scmdn (talk) 21:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Concerning this refinement (or revision or whatever you want to call it), the combination of these two sentences sounds weird:


 * "Since the publication of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species in 1859, the attitude of the Catholic Church on the theory of evolution has slowly been refined. Early contributions to the development of evolutionary theory were made by Catholic scientists such as Jean-Baptiste Lamarck and the Augustinian monk Gregor Mendel."


 * The way that the sentences have been placed seems to suggest (to me at least) that the second sentence provides examples of this refinement "Since the publication..." in the first. But of course Lamarck died before that publication and even Mendel seems to have started his work before Darwin published. To me it would make more sense to reverse the sentences to preserve the chronology, rather than create the wrong impression... 203.19.71.69 (talk) 00:22, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I have reordered and slightly modified the sentence. — Paleo  Neonate  – 07:12, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Adam and Eve
Quote from the article: All Catholics must accept that God initiated and continued the process of his evolutionary creation, that Adam and Eve were real people (the Church also rejects "Polygenism," the idea that along with Adam and Eve there existed other humans from which modern humans are descended[3]), End quote

Where is the evidence that the Catholic Church says "that Adam and Eve were real people". I've always thought the Catholic Church no longer supports Genesis creation. Have a look here: http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/6035/why-did-the-catholic-church-stop-supporting-genesis-creation
 * Indeed. This bit has appeared relatively recently, sourced to a website, though the page has a 2004 imprimatur. The long and somewhat tortured passage in the official Catechism should be checked, but "that Adam and Eve were real people" is by no means the same as "Genesis creation". Johnbod (talk) 23:32, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The Catholic church teaches theological Creationism, i.e. God did the Creation, but Science is the means by which we understand HOW He did it, not theology. I think from a Catholic perspective, the primary problem with this new 'Intelligent Design' movement is not that there was an intelligent design, but that these proponents insist that science can prove it, which the church takes no position on. I fail to see how a naturalistic process like the Scientific Method could possibly prove a miraculous event, as by definition it would remove it from being 'miraculous' in the strictest definition. With the Big Bang science has proven the universe came into existence in a moment, but by using naturalistic methods and theories is it still a miracle?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.129.129.172 (talk) 15:13, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

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John Paul II on evolution
I see that the link to John Paul II's 1986 speech is dead, and I cannot find a replacement, even on the Vatican website. Is it possibly related to this?   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 02:01, 5 August 2020 (UTC)