Talk:Examples of feudalism

France in examples
Why isn't France in the examples of feudalism? France was one of the core areas where feudalism originated and developed. Strange, I think. cun 20:11, 19 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The article is not a country by country "list-of", Feudal arrangements existed in France (and many other places in Europe) -- the article is examples of how feudalism was practiced in certain places at certain times (11th c france was different from 13th c france). If you have information concerning France, at particular places and times, please do add for illustrative purposes. Stbalbach 00:21, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Tibet
The section on Tibet is clearly biased. Never has it been confirmed from a non-Chinese documented source that the majority of Tibetans were serfs. In fact, it makes claims that these serfs lived in harsh conditions without backing it up. The way I understand it, the majority of serfs were criminals or owed a debt. I wouldn't be surprised if whoever wrote this was a supporter of the PRC.
 * In any case serfs and peasants are common in feudal societies - and may be indentured citizens of another country, so it would be unsurprising considering chinese dominence of that region in the medieval period that they inslaved tibetians. So that doesn't mean that all tibetians were serfs but that their social circumstances may have forced them into becoming so. Hard to find primary evidence on this, but until contrary evidence is provided the article should be left as is.

American South
To quote the article Feudalism: "However, some have taken the feudalism analogy further, seeing it in places as diverse as Ancient Egypt, Parthian empire, India, to the American South of the nineteenth century." I don't think this article really refers to Egypt of the American South, does anyone have information on that?--69.234.177.129 (talk) 15:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Copied from Feudalism
Below text copied from Feudalism for the moment, and will incorporate it here or at Feudalism in England. Green Cardamom (talk) 00:46, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * It it important to understand that there was only one absolute "owner" of land in the feudal system, in the person of the king asserting his allodial right. All nobles, knights and other tenants merely "held" land from the king, who was thus at the top of the "feudal pyramid", under conditional feudal contract of tenure, generally with the option to make such holding hereditable on payment by an heir of a suitable feudal relief. Thus a tenant-in-chief(generally in the form of a baron or knight)  was a vassal of the king, and a mesne tenant (generally a knight, sometimes a baron, including tenants-in-chief in their capacity as holders of other fiefs) held when sub-enfeoffed by the tenant-in-chief.

==Varieties of feudal tenure in England in about the 12th century== Under the feudal system several different forms of land tenure existed, each effectively a contract with differing rights and duties attached thereto. The main varieties are as follows:

===Military tenure===
 * by barony (per baroniam). Such tenure constituted the holder a feudal baron, and was the highest degree of tenure. It imposed duties of military service and allowed, indeed required, attendance at parliament. All such holders were necessarily tenants-in-chief.
 * by knight-service. This was a tenure ranking below barony, and was likewise for military service, of a lesser extent. It could be held in capite from the king or as a mesne tenancy from a tenant-in-chief.
 * by castle-guard. This was a form of military service which involved guarding a nearby castle for a specified number of days per year.

===Non-military tenure===
 * by serjeanty. Such tenure was in return for acting as a servant to the king, in a non-military capacity. Service in a ceremonial form is termed “grand serjeanty” whilst that of a more functional or menial nature is termed “petty sergeanty”.
 * by frankalmoinage, generally a tenure restricted to clerics.
 * by scutage where the military service obligations had been commuted, or replaced, by money payments. Common during the decline of the feudal era and symbolic of the change from tenure by personal service to tenure for money rent.
 * by copyhold, where the duties and rights were tailored to the requirements of the lord of the manor and a copy of the terms agreed was entered on the roll of the manorial court as a record of such non-standard terms.
 * by socage. This was the lowest form of tenure, involving payment in produce or in money.

Feudalism developed in 9th C. France, flourished (in England) up to about the first quarter of the 14th.c. and declined until their legal abolition in England at least in 1660, with the Tenures Abolition Act.

The term is derived from the mediaeval Latin word feodum, meaning simply an Estate in land, but deriving from a more ancient Gothic source faihu signifying simply "property" which in its most basic sense was "cattle".

Idea for definition of feudalism
"Feudalism is any system of granting land in exchange for services, in a manner that binds people to socially stratified real property and work for a lengthy period of time." How does that sound? &mdash; Rickyrab. Yada yada yada 16:52, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * You'll need reliable sourcing for that. But otherwise it sounds not unreasonable. --OpenFuture (talk) 05:44, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Unclear sentence
"As separate lords did not command their own troops to protect their own lands." This sentence seems incomplete grammatically. I am not sure what the intended meaning is. Septimus.stevens (talk) 18:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Manga under "See also"
I wonder why under the "See also" heading, there are links to Manga pages? Dbrukman (talk) 20:02, 30 October 2021 (UTC)