Talk:Experiential education

Americanism
This is a very American piece - Have any of the contributors considered the works of Peter Honey or Alan Mumford? Ianguy 00:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Kurt Hahn was not an American - but you are encouraged to bring these figures into the discussion.

Boys and Girls Club of America is a distinctly American educational offering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Armstronghall (talk • contribs) 15:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Boys and Girls Club does also have a history in China. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr adventure (talk • contribs) 05:33, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Minnesota New Country School and RiverBend Academy Charter School in Minnesota, would be excellent examples of Experiential education by using a project based system of learning to achieve a high school diploma.Cottos (talk) 16:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Bias
This article reflects a pro-experiential education, pro-progressive education POV. These perspectives are not universally held. The definition of experiential education--I should think building a puzzle piece map on the floor is not experiential, it's a tactile learning method, but certainly not experiential. Experiential would be visiting the countries of Asia.
 * If that's your opinion, you are entitled to have it - but keep it out of the article please. See WP:OR for more information. However, if that is a statement from a reliable source, please add it, and the source. Please be specific when critiquing articles and help us all make them better. – Freechild (BoomCha) 16:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Both are experiences and could involve experiential learning. Neither as described appear to necessarily reflect experiential education philosophy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr adventure (talk • contribs) 06:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Same as Educational Progressivism
Isn't this the same as educational progressivism? If not, what's the difference? experiential learning shouldn't redirect here for this reason - the learning theory is independent of any pedagogy (although it is used to support some). Experiential educatio is pedagogy. Experiential learning is cognition.
 * WP is not a place for original research. If you can find citations, use them. If not, see the merger request below. – Freechild (BoomCha) 15:59, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The redirection has been fixed. You are correct that learning theory is separate or independent of pedagogy or philosophy and at the same time a part of. This is to say you can not have experiential education without experiential learning; but you can have experiential learning without experiential education.

David Kolb
How can you have an article about experiential learning without mentioning the work of David Kolb? What about the different types of experiential learning? from outdoors to table top (or classroom) to virtual simulation?
 * Done. However, if you do not like what is in a WP article, please change it - with citations. That is the experience of WP. Don't understand how to do it? Learn - that's what we're all doing here. – Freechild (BoomCha) 15:59, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The david kolb the link takes you to here is NOT the David A> Kolb of Experiential Learning fame but another David Kolb [a bit like "would the real Paris Hilton please stand up!"]. If David Kolb was an ice hockey star would there still be links to him? Or are the wikipedia users so naive that they don't undertsand the difference between epistemology and philosophy? 59.167.51.243 05:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)Bud L Wise New York 19-06-06

Merger proposal
Having two separate articles on experiential education and experiential learning proponents forking and causes unnecessary duplication. After three years experiential learning has barely grown, still a poorly-referenced stub. I will merge if nobody says otherwise in two weeks (6/24/07). – Freechild (BoomCha) 14:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Merged experiential learning into experiential education. – Freechild (BoomCha) 19:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

This suggestion and the decision to merge these terms is reflective of a lack of understanding the importance of differentiating between these two terms. They are not synonymous and merging them replicates a historic problem in the literature. This has been corrected and cited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr adventure (talk • contribs) 06:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Original research
Much of the text in this article is WP:OR. There needs to be reliable in-line citations that support every assertive statement throughout the article. – – Freechild (BoomCha) 19:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC) I support this idea. In addition I would say that Experiential Education needs to focus more on original and current research so as to further infuse our community with that of the overall educational world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisgennemont (talk • contribs) 15:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. I have provided some in-text citations in an effort to help improve the page. However, the bulk of this article still looks like an essay. I would also like to note that the About section has excessively focused on Dewey and his works, making it sound more like his bio. Darwin Naz (talk) 23:18, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Gurukul
The following text was contributed recently to the "About" section - it has been moved here for further discussion, improvement, or deletion Jtneill - Talk 02:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC) :

The roots of Experiential Learning - Anand Upadhyay

There is a school of thought that says “Experiential Learning” as a methodology has its genesis in the ‘Gurukul” system of learning described in our scriptures.

The experiential learning cycle of ‘reflect’, ‘connect’, ‘decide’ and ‘do’, has its origins in the ‘action learning’ or ‘double loop learning’ practices in the gurukuls of yore. The Guru was able to dialogue with his group, sitting in a circle under a tree. The group will recount its experiences of the day (mundane tasks like collecting firewood, gathering fruits & roots for dinner etc.) and collectively the group would learn aspects of planning, delegation, teamwork, trust, integrity – issues that no amount of books, slide-shows or trainers can impart effectively, without active involvement of the participants. Horizons got stretched through involvement and co-creating learning in the group. Further information on the 'Gurukul' - www.yogamag.net.

This is not a valid argument in that many traditions an cultures express experiential learning processes in their scriptures. Some would argue the Hebrew walk from Egypt was 'experiential learning'. Plato discussed experiential education implicitly in the 'Sophist'. It has examples in many cultures. Might it be better to acknowledge that fact and then cite examples of the earliest recordings in texts, which will probably coincide with the emergence of literacy in that culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.173.199 (talk) 22:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

clarification
"He explains in length his criticisms of both forms of education in his book, Experiential Education, a book he never wrote."

Does anyone know what this means? Did he write notes for it but it didn't become a coalesced book? Or is it something else? --Thespian (talk) 03:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

He wrote the lengthy criticism in the margins of his own copy of a book written by someone else? (suggestion by my friend Michael) JoeBrennan (talk) 14:52, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

The Dewey section is embarrassing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.231.25.254 (talk) 13:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Add other program notes
Would someone be willing to add references to the Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center? It's probably one of the best examples of experiential education out there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.7.126.169 (talk) 04:44, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

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Pyramid
The Pyramid seems to lack empirical evidence: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285798853_A_rebuttal_of_NTL_Institute's_learning_pyramid — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.12.196.45 (talk) 20:00, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

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