Talk:Exsultate, jubilate

POV assertion
Mozart fans will certainly agree the final Alleluia of Exsultate, jubilate is "outstanding," but what about those who are not Mozart fans? Stravinsky would disagree that the final Alleluia is "cheerful," or that it carries any emotion. James470 (talk) 21:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that "outstanding" implies an aesthetic judgement that is unnecessary. How about "ebullient" and "virtuosic"?  If we had to qualify every statement to satisfy Stravinsky, we wouldn't be able to say much in these articles.  Its fairly easy to find statements that its one of the most recorded showpieces for soprano.  Sadie in "Mozart: The Early Years" says its "a jewel of a piece with its high spirits and its wit" and that "its music speaks unmistakably of his relaxed high spirits at the time he wrote it and of the elation and confidence that his opera-house success it brought him".  I guess we don't need to include too much critical opinion, but it is one of Mozart's most well-known early works -- probably his best known early vocal work -- and some mention of the mood and operatic virtuosity could be mentioned.  My two cents. DavidRF (talk) 22:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I would be OK with quoting Sadie as you have suggested; I would also be OK with retaining "outstanding and cheerful" if that's the opinion of a notable composer or singer. James470 (talk) 23:09, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. Incarnatus (talk) 21:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * These arguments over what constitutes an aesthetic judgment on works of genius in any of the arts get pretty tiresome. Going out of the way to avoid value judgments about art, particularly art that has by the consensus of in this case 200 years of civilization been accounted a work of genius is pretty absurd.  And speaking of absurd, I have removed the ridiculously incompetent amateur performance of Exsultate Jubilate posted in the article.  I realize we have to avoid using copyrighted material, but that's not an invitation to post miserably sub-professional performances simply because there's no rights issue involved.Gillartsny (talk) 12:51, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

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