Talk:Eyre legend

March 2005 West Dakota Prize
This entry is one of only seventeen that have won the March 2005 West Dakota Prize for successfully employing the expression "legend states" in a complete sentence. --Wetman 08:26, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Errors and inaccuracies
I don't know the protocol for editing pages that are under VfD discussion, but the as the discussion seems to be running towards keeping this page I thought I'd point out that it seems to be riddled with errors and inaccuracies.


 * 'Despite much debate and speculation, historians cannot definitively confirm whether or not Truelove actually existed.' - I can't find any reference at all to any debate on the subject. To say 'cannot definitively confirm' thus gives the story far too much credit; a better phrasing would be 'There is no evidence that Truelove actually existed.'
 * I have rephrased this statement to "there is no definitive historical evidence confirming his existence."


 * 'the best-known version of the legend states...' - The only reference to the legend that I was able to find online comes from a single name-etymology text, which has been repeated by a pair of sites. This is not what you'd call a notable legend in any case.
 * I have listed the eight references that DS found, which appear to be independent of each other at least back to 1900, if not earlier.


 * '...he is commonly cited as the founder of the Eyre family.' - Except for the sites which use the etymology referenced above, it is generally assumed that the names 'Ayre' and 'Eyre' come from 'heir'.
 * Again, please take a look at the article's references.


 * '...the Eyre Coat of Arms features a human leg in armour...' - This is simply not true, according to any heraldry sources I've been able to find.
 * I have amended this statement to what is supported by the references; namely that at the time Eyre was given this coat of arms. The current Coat of Arms has features in common with this description, but you're right, I can't say that it's the same.

I've voted for this article to be deleted, since I don't see it as anything other than a hoax or conspiracy theory related to that nonsense over at Eyre Empire, but if it sticks around I think it needs to be pruned even more before it's anything other than an embarassment to Wikipedia. Squibix 19:31, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * If it's a hoax or a conspiracy, it's a very old one, and certainly nothing to do with the Eyre Empire nonsense (although it has been a bit of a job removing that author's inventions). I urge you to take a look at the references, and reconsider your position. GeorgeStepanek\talk  03:15, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * It seems to tally with what Burke's says (although the leg is only in the CREST not the actual arms - blink and you'll miss it). However this is definitely a self serving page for the Eyres, possibly an American descendent seeking to validate an ancestor?  As it stands it will do...but one to be watched.  What's the 'Eyre Empire' hoax?  I've never heard of it. Pydos 12:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd just like to say that this isn't a hoax, it is an old family legend, (very possibly untrue from a historical context!) I know this as I myself am an Eyre originating from Derbyshire and was told the legend of Truelove when i was younger. The Legend also features in a book called "Ghosts and Legends of the Peak District". It must be said that there is no historical evidence this legend is true... but it is a nice story nonetheless. Dilodicus 13:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

from VfD
On 28 Feb 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. See Votes for deletion/Truelove Eyre for a record of the discussion (and some of the concerns which led to the header to the current version of the article).

Page move
While the page was on VfD, GeorgeStepanek and i decided this was a better name for the article, but didn't move it while it was still in VfD. See Votes for deletion/Truelove Eyre for the discussion. 21:25, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Sourcing
The entire page cites three self-published personal web pages (all via Internet Archive as the original sites are toast), plus a dead link: none of this is a WP:RS. I have to ask, is this a notable legend or just someone's attempt to publicize some obscure family mythology? Agricolae (talk) 04:34, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * did you check the AfD? What do you think was wrong with its result? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:53, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) the page applicability of the discussion is blurred by the fact that the page had a different name, and hence a different subject at the time of the vote (though the page move was suggested during the vote) Is there even such a thing as the 'Eyre legend', or is this just a run of the mill family tradition in the Eyre family, like most families have? Never addressed because the discussion was about a page named Truelove Eyre. 2) all of the sources provided during the discussion to document notability were self-published web sites or unreliable books - the AfD participants seemed to take for granted that they represented WP:RS. 3) every single link given 'demonstrating notability' is dead - every single one of them. 4) community standards have evolved since 2005 - contrary to the 'persuasive' argument made then, Yahoo search engine hits are not considered the best indication of notability. 5) key features were never discussed, like whether anyone outside the narrow confines of the Eyre family consider this to be noteworthy enough to give it more than passing mention. Agricolae (talk) 19:16, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you should consider re-nominating it for AfD. Sounds like you've already done WP:BEFORE, and an explicit consensus is always better than a tag that lingers forever. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:04, 3 May 2019 (UTC)