Talk:F-Zero

Too many racers
I was originally going to make a list or racers here. Now I'm thinking the best route will be having an article "F-Zero Racers" and putting descriptions of them in there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Headcase88 (talk • contribs)

Removed link
I removed the link to CaitSith's course editor (I assume he made it, I didn't really bother checking), as I don't think it's particularly appropriate here. I think it'd be useful on a future article on Climax, but until then, it's preserved here.

Unofficial F-Zero Climax Course Editor 210.49.214.102 04:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

F Zero MV: Snes port?
"Very similar to the original SNES title (unlike other GBA - SNES ports, however, this has different, new tracks and machines from the original)."

Unless someone explains this better I'm striking this sentence. The machines are different, the tracks are different, the artwork is different, the physics are different... It's a sequel, not a remake. 132.162.213.109 20:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Continuity
I want to make something perfectly clear. Except for Maximum Velocity, AX and Climax (the third of which is a direct sequel to Falcon/GP Legend), all the other F-Zero games are continuity reboots. Both X and GX talk about an accident "three years ago". In both cases, this does not necessarily refer to the "events" of the original SNES game. Further, the backstories of many of the characters conflict in both X and GX, or were retconned in GX. MV assumes that the SNES version (and only this version) happened, since both have leagues/cups/whatever named after chess pieces, whereas X has cups named after playing cards, and GX has cups based on the "version" names of the GBA Pokemon games (remember that there will be a "Diamond" version coming out for the DS). If anything, GX (and its companion game AX) is the story of what really happened.

Further, F-Zero 2 is NOT a sequel to the SNES game despite the "2" part of the name. It was more of an "expansion pack" of sorts to the original SNES game featuring an additional league, plus four new vehicles, similar in concept to the later "F-Zero Expansion Kit" for the 64DD that was used with F-Xero X.

For these reasons, I propose that the "chronological" listing of the games on the series template be removed (which I had actually done previously).

All right, I've spoken my piece. So what reasons do any of you have to claim that the original game, plus X and GX/AX are all actual sequels to each other?


 * First, BS F-Zero 2 is an article commonly overlooked, as a result, -is not properly executed, at the moment. If you have visited this part of the site in the past year, you would've noticed major and rapid changes going on. Even days from now, it should be apparent the F-Zero series branch of Nintendo is going through major overhauls.
 * Secondly, you can move the chronological listing to under the F-Zero series article to make it look like this. With or without your help this may eventually be the case.
 * Third, it's very shocking and rare to be debating this anywhere (even if the F-Zero games have a messy timeline). Just to think that someone out there believes that this series has so many reboots is kind of uncalled for. To others trying to construct a timeline from the games released, your belief would not only be considered uncalled for, but even unfathomable.

On a lot of well-known forums and other sites, this has not come up (at all). :F-Zero, F-Zero X, and F-Zero GX are all in the same continuity for a number of reasons.
 * 1) Time — In GX, there is this statement, “after the huge accident, the long-awaited F-Zero X Grand Prix made its return a year ago”. X was last year, hence the reason why there is an addition of one year in the age of pilots. Captain Falcon won the Grand Prix in X. The accident happened "four years ago" in GX, as stated in Mighty Gazelle’s (Instruction Booklet) and Dr. Steward’s (Player’s Guide) pilot profiles.


 * 2) Made by Sega — The game was developed by Amusement Vision, Nintendo only published it. IGN or GameSpot has criticized Nintendo for not being more involved, so there will be things not in normal "tradition" of chess, cards, or what ever has kings, queens in it.


 * There were Chao from the Sonic Adventure series in the game. The cups were called Ruby, Diamond, etc because the chao races also go by the name of rare stones. Can this or your Pokemon statement really be proven? Can these two only be coincidences? Would Sega really know of Pokemon Diamond that far back?


 * 3) Nintedo's fault — The only reason Maximum Velocity assumes that the SNES version (and only this version) has happened is because MV was released before GX, so the game does not recognize it. Does this really matter? It’s obvious MV happens after Falcon, etc retires.


 * As mentioned earlier about “tradition”, IGN had this statement,


 * The Milky Way Federation? Naming cups from chess and card games? Those are not futuristic. No, chance those were going to stay. Ever since Amusement Vision set the standard, games since didn't have cups just merely based card games and what not. Bronze, Silver, Gold, Ruby, Sappaire, Emerald is the way to go now. When a franchise gets updated, there can be some conflicts. If anything, they were updated since GX is supposed to take place a year later, as well as fleshed out a bit more, since GX has more room in its bios.


 * 4) The X Factor — The accident does not actually happen in any F-Zero game, but there was one after the SNES game. The F-Zero X Execution Project knew things had to be changed. In the F-Zero X manual, it mentions that the F-Zero Grand Prix was renamed to the F-Zero X GP and some rules and regulations have been revised. So after the original F-Zero, there was the accident, F-Zero came back three years later with the addition of the letter “X’, the “X” era. This reinforces why, the GCN game is GX, not GP.   —FullMetal Falcon 23:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the F-Zero Crash
There were indeed two crashes that had occured in F-Zero. One of which was known as the Horrific Grand Finale that landed Arbin Gordon to become the Skull AND to the closing of the original F-Zero, as stated in F-Zero X. In GX, they had changed the history for the Skull, thus causing inconsistancy. F-Zro X was created to be 20 years later AFTER the initial crash, which was also policed by the F-Zero Academy, led by the Arrows, as well as the merchants who had funded them, but again, this fact was overlooked in GX. As for the other crash that was talked about in F-Zero GX, that was the one that dealt with Mighty Gazelle. This was the crash that Pico supposedly caused, and thus the spawning of Captain Falcon's twin, Blood Falcon, via Black Shadow. So in other words, the crash supposedly happened pre-, or during, F-Zero X era, which could have spanned for a while since it does not give us a specified date. So there were indeed two crashes that happened. One during F-Zero and one pre-/during F-Zero X... Lt. Falcon 00:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Moved for convenience. Actually as of what is on this article, there seems to be three. The 'Huge Accident' (suspended F-Zero), the "freak accident" (Gazelle), & the one during the F-Max days. However in GX, the "freak accident" and the 'Huge Accident' were combined. Remember here it states the "freak accident" under Gazelle's profile, but in that same manual there was a "huge accident", at a different point in time. As for changing the history of the Skull in GX - this is known to me. The 20 years and policing by the F-Zero Academy does sound familiar to me though. Unfortunately fzerox.com is down unless you can find a web achieve that has the site. It would be great help if you had websites,books,etc too so I can look at it. Sites/information you stated are needed in the chronology section due to these inconsistencies. —FullMetal Falcon 01:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I have most of the site archived on my own, HOWEVER, I do not have the flash comic that shows the Skull talking about this... Other than that, I have most of the information, as well as the original F-Zero X profiles.

The F-MAX one is the one that was the Horrific Grand Finale. This is taken from the Skull's profile in F-Zero X (and yes, please help me with the formating... I'm still very new to this...):


 * "The spookiest story of the F-Zero GP has to be the story behind The Skull. If the legend is to be believed, The Skull used to be a pilot in the old days of the Grand Prix when the race was a violent, bloody spectacle. His name was Sterling LaVaughn [Original name in the Japanese version is Arbin Gordon] and he was one of the lucky ones. He was able to survive race after race without serious injury. But he knew his luck couldn’t last and that he too would most likely die a gruesome death. Out of fear and desperation he began searching for a way to keep himself alive. He turned to a combination of science and black magic in hopes for a solution. Then his date of death came. It was the infamous Grand Finale of the Grand Prix. He was part of the violent, fiery accident that burnt so many people to death that day, but the black magic worked. He emerged from his grave alive, but as a mass of bone and putrid deteriorated flesh. He realized he would’ve been better off dead. Today, The Skull has returned to the only source of happiness he has ever known: racing. He is encouraged to learn that he’s become a much better pilot... now that he’s no longer afraid of death."

And this one is taken from Super Arrow's F-Zero X profile:


 * "No two individuals are more associated with the F-Zero races than Super Arrow and his wife, Mrs. Arrow. Super Arrow had been the most promising rising star in the old GP races, sponsored by a collection of rich space merchants and the Falconi family. It was Lazlo Falconi that gave Super Arrow his pet falcon, a mechanical cyber-pet that relays messages between Super and Mrs. Arrow when they are in separate area of the F-Zero Racing Academy. Super Arrow founded the academy soon after the horrific Grand Finale crash that killed the Skull and 13 other drivers. On that day, Super Arrow escaped unscathed, driving to a bittersweet victory. His sponsors were ecstatic at his win, but Super Arrow determined that day that F-Zero racing must change. His impassioned speech in front of the Federation Congress actually led to establishment of the Academy. While recruiting racers from the illegal underground race teams during the F-Zero racing prohibition that followed the Grand Finale crash, Super Arrow encountered Zoda, a reckless racer who would soon become his arch enemy. Yet, it was also during these recruiting trips that Super Arrow met the lovely Monique L’amoreaux. Amazed at her natural racing ability and stunning good looks, Super Arrow immediately fell in love, and the two were soon married. Together, they worked to establish new regulations for F-Zero racing and its eventual reinstatement by the Federation. Now, Super Arrow and Mrs. Arrow run the Academy, and watch the progress of new GP racer Leon, a young Kerichoan they discovered and adopted while vacationing together."

As for the minor crash with Gazelle, I need to hunt my database for that one... Haven't exactly organized the place too well... ^^;

I would give more, but I think that is enough to work with for now... My site tends to go on and off from time to time, but it would be better if we spoke on AIM or MSN about this... Makes it easier on me... Lt. Falcon 01:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * MSN? Maybe. Not sure. If only Nintendo would keep information like that up. I just noticed one of the references I put in Captain Falcon's article was linked to "All game guide". That basically has what you posted, but reworded with some info taken out, but fills in with something different. However, where does this "twenty years" fall into place? FullMetal Falcon 01:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The 'twenty years' thing was talked about in the flash comic, but because I had little knowledge of tech, as well as I was an amatuer in computers, I did not save the screens as they played, but I do remember Skull talking about it at the Hi Jump Cantina or something along that line with Samurai Goroh. Skull had mentioned that the Horrific Grand Finale was what brought everything underground, only after several years, at least 20, that the merchants who had supported the Arrows in the more legit races thought about bringing the sport back for enjoyment. The game itself, F-Zero X, is bound to be at least 4~5 years later AFTER THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ACADEMY in order for the crash that created Blood Falcon and Mighty Gazelle to work, which would iron out some of the inconsistancies. I'll see if I can hunt down the comic somehow... Lt. Falcon 01:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:CVG Assessment

 * I skipped the overview section because it makes no sense to me. One might want to state that the article is covering fictional events there, for example. See The Legend of Zelda (series) on how to write a good overview section.
 * Introduction is to short - see WP:LS
 * It's a series, so please include a list of titles - see again, The Legend of Zelda (series) on how this can be done, though there are numerous other ways (such as a table). Connect the 'list of F-zero titles' to that article with.

--User:Krator (t c) 20:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Size
Why is the size written in inches and foot? Doesn't Japan use the metric system? Ran4 21:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's how it is in the manual.  FMF |  contact  21:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

F-Zero Z
Delete. Please, for the love of god, delete... Cipher (Talk) 16:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Again it was brought back. I'll submit it to afd and get it protected.  « ₣M₣ »  18:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * although that was a hoax, new rumors have arisin of an f-zero game for mobile phones or DS. i don't by ANY means believe the mobile phone rumor, but the DS one seems believable enough. just a thought. KP317 15:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Influenced by The Running Man?
Does anyone else see how strikingly similar F-Zero is to The Running Man? 74.241.93.165 (talk) 22:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Refrence in Star Fox Command?
One of the endings of the game Star Fox Command makes reference to Fox and Falco starting a race competition with their Arwings called "G-Zero". The F-Zero series makes reference to Star Fox already, and Command also featured Octoman, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a reference to this unreleased game. Also, unlike the normal flightless F-Zero racers, the Arwing would be suitable for the zero gravity racing that this game was to have.(G-Zero probably refers to Gravity=Zero, with F-Zero meaning Friction=Zero. This would make sense with the flying Arwings that aren't suitable for ground, so the name is more then a letter change for indirect refrence)--DinnerSonic 08:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

SEGA
I got somthing on my talk page about editing this article by saying its produced by both nintendo and sega, wikipedia deleted it because i didnt cite it, but its common knowlage to know both componies worked on the series, just look on some of the game boxes!--Sonicobbsessed (talk) 19:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Zero Racers
I found a source which contains screenshots of in-game gameplay from the cancelled Zero Racers. The link is here: http://www.virtual-boy.org/zeroracers.htm. Apparently 4 vehicles were going to be in there which were Falcon, Goose, Stingray and Origammy. With these, can further expand the detail here on Zero Racers? --Victory93 (talk) 10:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Assessment
Assessed as C; reception section is lacking and needs better formatting; mentions a lack of F-Zero games for next-gen consoles, giving the supposition that this fact is important to those who are not fans; excessive fair use images; no creation section. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 11:08, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Is the anime really based on the video game?
This page states, under the Anime section: "F-Zero: GP Legend is [...] based on the video game of the same name."

However, the article on the video game(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-Zero:_GP_Legend_%28video_game%29) says that it is the game that is based on the anime. --Frubban (talk) 16:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Anime is based on the series.  « ₣M₣ »  22:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

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F-Zero 99 Page
Someone should make a page for F-Zero 99. Stein256 (talk) 00:57, 16 September 2023 (UTC)


 * This should be done after a handful of reviews are posted. « Ryūkotsusei »  14:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. Stein256 (talk) 19:21, 16 September 2023 (UTC)