Talk:F. N. Souza/Archive 2

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Was Souza American?
Is Category:American people of Goan descent correct? Souza lived in New York for several years, but this does not mean he was an American, just an Indian or Goan living in the US. If no evidence is produced I propose to remove Souza from this category. Verbcatcher (talk) 17:25, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


 * User:Roland zh, I have removed Category:American male artists of Indian descent, Category:American people of Goan descent, Category:American Expressionist painters because Souza was not a US citizen. See Category:American people of Indian descent, which says "This category page lists notable citizens of the United States of Indian ethnic or national origin or descent, whether partial or full." Verbcatcher (talk) 03:48, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Verbcatcher, thank you for taking care, and notification at Francis Newton Souza's talk page – your re-categorization is more than adequate as I obviously was wrong, kindly regards, Roland zh (talk) 12:38, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Some unfair comments?
There seems to be some vandalising and motivated comments being inserted into this page, possibly by persons (or those acting on behalf) of interested parties and their proxies. Please see what has gone into this and the Solomon Souza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Souza page via some recent edits. Kindly take a suitable decision. Fredericknoronha (talk) 13:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Responses against Censorship requested by Frederick Noronha on behalf of Solomon Souza
Stop being a Bardezcar prude The whole World has already seen F N Souza's Naikinn in the nude

No more hagiographic whitewash Niz Goencar are already aware Pro-Souza articles are totally hogwash

Be more ethnocentric Dysfunctionality should not be promoted Souza-Kohn family is too dysgenic

Original edits need to be restored in both articles (Solomon Souza and F. N. Souza). Both articles contain correct, albeit harsh, factual information provided with multiple verified inline citations. The attacks against F N Souza's artworks by Goans in Mumbai and complaints to the police against him in the 1940s are a matter of public record. So is the deliberate ignoring of F N Souza's funeral in Sewri in 2002 - it was a final "F@#& You" from the Goan community in Mumbai.

Liselotte and FN were never married to each other, they were married to others throughout their open live-in relationship. (Describing the affair as a "common-law marriage" is also a lie because of the existing marriages with others.) F N Souza moved out from the London apartment he shared with his wife Maria Figueiredo and their daughter Shelley in 1955 (Maria was a Bamonn originally from Borda in Salcette) because of his extra-marital affair with Liselotte, but he and Maria didn't divorce till 1964 (so he could marry the 16-year-old Barbara Zinkant). Not sure what motivates Solomon Souza lying across various forms of media (Indian press, Israeli press, Chelsea football club website, social media like Facebook, etc.) about facts already known by the Goan public and students of Indian Art History.

Frederick Noronha (the confirmed user who requested vandalism of accurate information in both articles) is a Goan living in Bardez and so he can talk personally with Maria Aurora Couto (she lives in Bardez but is originally from Salcette). He can also read Victor Rangel-Ribeiro's 2019 biography of F N Souza, it also shows that Solomon Souza was lying repeatedly in the Indian press.