Talk:F9 (film)/Archive 1

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2019
Replace "Vin Diesel" with "Vin Diesel" in the film info-box. Anton.Shafalyuk (talk) 03:11, 7 October 2019 (UTC)


 * – his name is already linked in the infobox, so there's no need to link again. 4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  04:22, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Producers
As far as I know from the article below: https://collider.com/fast-and-furious-9-character-posters/, these are the producers: Neal H. Moritz, Vin Diesel, Jeff Kirschenbaum, Joe Roth, Justin Lin, Clayton Townsend and Samantha Vincent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.94.1 (talk) 12:50, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

"F9: The Fast Saga"
Why on earth has this been done? Who renamed the page this? Is this a joke? TheMysteriousEditor (talk) 17:45, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it sounds pretty stupid. Even IMDb doesn't have the movie under that name. Eightsixofakina (talk) 18:49, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * So let's undo it El Millo (talk) 19:14, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The move to F9: The Fast Saga was bold, and was reverted, so now they should discuss it. El Millo (talk) 19:21, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


 * This is the name provided on the teaser poster. The teaser poster included in the article. No previous such poster has had anything but the name of the film and / or a tagline, which The Fast Saga is not. Hence, until more information is made available, say when the trailer is released within the next week, and citing WP:BRD-NOT, the subtitle remains. MacCready (talk) 19:40, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


 * No, it's listed on the teaser poster as a word. Or a slogan. Or a franchise name. Not as a subtitle - there is zero evidence for this. Words on initial teaser posters are not titles of films, otherwise Avengers: Endgame would be called "A". There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest it's a subtitle. TheMysteriousEditor (talk) 19:53, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Good one. El Millo (talk) 20:19, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I personally interpret the poster as saying it is "F9 in the Fast Saga". But the closest we have to an official title is "F9" right now. Anything else is speculation, so it should be left as "Untitled ninth Fast and Furious film" or "Fast and Furious 9" or "F9 (2020 film)" for now until an official title is released. I cannot begin to put into words how stupid a decision it was to change the page to "F9: The Fast Saga" as if that's actually the title of the movie. TheMysteriousEditor (talk) 19:57, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * According to a guy from Screenrant, "F9" is the official title. https://twitter.com/rob_keyes/status/1222217179355021313 YgorD3 (talk) 20:14, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That is still a single source. I believe it is better to wait for the trailer on Friday to confirm the actual title before any further action is taken on the title of the page. MacCready (talk) 20:17, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * But action has already been taken. It should've been left how it was. TheMysteriousEditor (talk) 00:32, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * the official Twitter account refers to the film as plainly F9. No reliable source that I've seen (IGN, /Film, Screen Rant) refers to the title as F9: The Fast Saga, but simply as F9. El Millo (talk) 20:19, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The page was renamed to "Fast & Furious 9 (film)". Why? The sixth film was titled "Fast & Furious 6" and the titles of this franchise have no consistency (ex: Fast Five, Furious 7). The official title for the ninth is clearly "F9". YgorD3 (talk) 13:04, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

PAGE ]]) 19:33, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * This is getting ridiculous – how many times has this article been moved now? And why was it renamed Fast & Furious 9 (film) when its working title was simply Fast & Furious 9 (which doesn't need a disambiguator)? If the consensus is to wait until the trailer has been released, please move it back to Fast & Furious 9. 4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  13:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Rather than clog up the page histories with pointless moves, let's just wait until the trailer is released tomorrow. We can survive with one day of unnecessary disambiguation. --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|TALK
 * Trailer was released. Title is "F9". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSiDu3Ywi8E YgorD3 (talk) 21:26, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


 * From what I can tell, it's F9 in North America, and Fast & Furious 9 in some other territories. British cinemas are showing 'Fast & Furious 9'. This is a common theme with this franchise. So yeah, it should be F9 followed with a (Fast and Furious 9 in some territories). --82.43.114.79 (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 1 February 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: move - will file a technical move request now (closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 (talk) 08:55, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Fast & Furious 9 → F9 (film) –– The official website, Universal Pictures, and U.S. trailer all have the title simply as F9. The UK trailer, however, does display the title as Fast & Furious 9. The title of the article should be F9 and there should be a parenthetical indicating the United Kingdom title. "The Fast Saga" seems to be only a promotional term. –ScottSullivan1 (talk • contribs) 02:06, 1 February 2020 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 02:50, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources are split, even those published after the trailer dropped (I've excluded articles that used multiple titles):
 * F9
 * The Fast Saga
 * Variety
 * CNET
 * ScreenRant
 * Collider
 * SlashFilm
 * io9 (the article author claims on twitter that he got official word from Universal)
 * F9: The Fast Saga
 * Forbes
 * USA Today
 * New York Times
 * Vanity Fair
 * Entertainment Tonight
 * The Wrap (and a second time)
 * Vox
 * Autoblog
 * HotCars
 * Road and Track
 * Ain't It Cool News
 * Atom Tickets
 * Gamespot
 * Fast & Furious 9
 * Entertainment Weekly
 * Los Angeles Times
 * CNN (Fast and Furious 9, without the ampersand)
 * Other
 * Car and Driver (F&F 9: The Fast Saga)
 * I think it's clear, especially from the official website, and the confirmation to io9, that the official title is just "F9", but "F9: The Fast Saga" seems to have a remarkable amount of press. --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|TALK


 * Support moving title to F9. The official site's "About" section refers to the movie by this title, and the official trailer Universal uploaded on YouTube is also entitled F9. My hunch is that Universal is choosing to call the entire Fast and Furious franchise officially as The Fast Saga since the addition of a ninth sequel warranted that title.  You've gone incognito  (talk &sdot; contribs) 12:36, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * F9 is occupied by a disambiguation page, and it hasn't been shown that this is the primary topic for that search term. Dekimasu よ! 12:45, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh how could I forget? Ofc a parenthetical dab would be required in this case as per nom. :)  You've gone incognito  (talk &sdot; contribs) 12:47, 1 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment & Oppose Why do they have to complicate things? "Fast & Furious 9" was a fine and easy title to recognize, are they trying to be "down with the kids" and have short titles that you can easly hashtag it? Anyway, my opinion is that the title should be what's the most searchable title, and there's seems do be alot of different sources citing different versions of the title (even though yes, officially from Universal is F9), but I still think the title people will use to search this article here is "Fast &/and Furious 9", also because F9 is a little ambiguous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DCF94 (talk) 16:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * By the time this move discussion closes, a redirect link for the alternate titles, including Fast & Furious 9, will automatically be created for those who wish to search the article by this title.  You've gone incognito  (talk &sdot; contribs) 05:28, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Your argument has no merit. Universal has decided that the title is "F9", we can't do anything to change that. The title of the article should be the title of the movie. --Babar Suhail (talk) 09:32, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * "no merit"?! Yes, F9 is the official name of the movie, what I argued is what would users be most likely to search, you can keep the "F9 (alternatively known as F9: The Fast Saga or Fast & Furious 9)" sentence but have the title of the page "Fast & Furious 9". Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone was officially released in US as "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone", why isn't that then the title of the page? The Avengers official title is "Marvel's The Avengers", why isn't that the title of the page? Now, whatever, if it's decided for this title to change, I'll accept and move on, but don't tell me I have no argument when there's plenty of examples that can sustain it! DCF94 (talk) 19:08, 6 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Support moving title to F9: Official title. Answering another comment, the titles of this franchise have no consistency. The sixth film is titled "Fast & Furious 6", but others titles with number are "2 Fast 2 Furious", "Fast Five", "Furious 7" and now, "F9" (not "Fast & Furious + number" like the sixth film). YgorD3 (talk) 18:26, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Official title was confirmed in the trailer. It's still referred to as Fast & Furious 9 in other countries though. Eightsixofakina (talk) 19:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support People might call it "Fast & Furious 9" but the official title is what counts and it seems to unanimously be "F9." Saimcheeda (talk) 20:25, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support – this seems to be the official title in the U.S., which is how it should be known. The opening sentence can be worded as "F9 (alternatively known as F9: The Fast Saga or Fast & Furious 9)..." if we choose to go with what all of the aforementioned sources have said. 4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  22:48, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per all the above. I've seen all of the Fast & Furious films. Apart from this one. And the first eight.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:27, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support: Clearly the official title of the movie in the US.--Babar Suhail (talk) 09:32, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support: The title is what the filmmakers say the title is, even if it's a silly title. For what it's worth, no two Fast & Furious movies share the same title format, so there's no reason to pretend that there is a "standard" name for the movie. Faithfulruslan (talk) 17:33, 3 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Update movie poster
Is it possible to update the poster to the current one with Han featured in the background? Just saying, now that Han's appearance is no longer a secret, the new poster could be used now. Eightsixofakina (talk) 19:56, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2020
61.92.222.187 (talk) 15:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

I want edit the future film
 * You can suggest edits here on this talk page on the form "Please change X to Y" citing reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:20, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2020
The caption for the poster was supposed to say "Teaser poster with original release window". 216.154.40.40 (talk) 21:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That's with it is essentially already saying; no change required. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2020
There are the words "pushed back a 10 months" when it was supposed to say "pushed back 10 months". 69.196.141.254 (talk) 13:03, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 13:20, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2020
Please make the following changing in the Future section:

Change X "but when F9 was delayed to that date, the film is currently scheduled to be released at a later date."

to Y "but when F9 was delayed to that date, the film was postponed until a later date."

Unhelpful and meaningless use of "currently" should be avoided. It is weird to say "scheduled" when in fact no date has been specified, so not actually scheduled, merely postponed or delayed to an unspecified later date. -- 109.79.166.89 (talk) 19:36, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: Changed to "A sequel, intended to be the final installment in the main saga, was set for release for April 2, 2021. When F9 was delayed to that date, the proposed sequel was postponed to an indeterminate later date. " because the original was a run-on that was very unclear. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:57, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I specified a wording because the template required it be in the form change X to Y. That change is an improvement and clearer than the old wording, so it's all good. -- 109.79.81.27 (talk) 10:55, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2020
The sequel to this film is currently unscheduled for release. 104.195.199.235 (talk) 22:39, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 17:11, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2021
I want Perfect Storm Entertainment to be added since Justin Lin produced the film through his company. 2.101.9.47 (talk) 09:04, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:29, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2021
Change Nathalie Emmanuel's character name from Megan Ramsey to Ramsey. Her first name has never been revealed and she has only been referred to as Ramsey in the movies she's been in. Screamfan1999 (talk) 08:38, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Although it would be hilarious if the character were Gordan Ramsey's daughter, I have removed the first name. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:55, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2021
Change "Premise" to "Plot". 2409:4041:D94:7ED6:0:0:1809:A000 (talk) 08:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It is an explanation of the premise of the film, not the plot, so it is correctly labeled. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2021 (2)
Gal Gadot is a woman; in the Cast section, it is written "his role" in the sentence referring to her instead of "her role". Change "his" to "her". 2409:4041:D94:7ED6:0:0:1809:A000 (talk) 12:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2021
F9 was released internationally on May 19, 2021, since then 3-4 days have passed; still, its full plot/synopsis hasn't been updated in the Wikipedia page. Please update the full plot of the film. 2409:4041:D15:C8A0:0:0:18C9:5D08 (talk) 06:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: You are very welcome to post a plot section draft here on the talk page. Sam Sailor 08:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2021 (2)
The plot description has multiple grammatical errors, which makes reading it very painful for the eyes and the brain. Please allow someone to edit this. For example, "furtherly" has been used in one place, which is not even a word. Also, the sentence structure is confusing, and often wrong. Maybe this was written in a hurry 202.173.126.200 (talk) 16:41, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:12, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2021 (3)
Just finished watching the movie and the plot in the Wikipedia article is so dumb. The plot of the F9 movie is totally different from the plot in the Wikipedia article. 122.164.134.51 (talk) 19:13, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  Mel ma nn   19:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2021 (4)
Mr.Nobody is only on maybe 4 scenes(mostly like a cameo). Han is back. Cipher only have maybe 5 scenes. I think the plot was based on the trailer. 122.164.134.51 (talk) 19:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  Mel ma nn   19:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Objection to lede edit revertion
, I'd like to argue a couple of points that prompted you to revert my edits. Firstly, the sentence Initial reviews to the film were mixed is confusing as it implies that the movie received not one positive and negative reviews, only mixed reviews. If you rewrite this into something like The film met with a mixed critical reception, the sentence would be very clear and would imply that the ratio between the positive reviews and negative reviews is balanced (or one is marginally higher than the other, either way it would still be considered mixed). Secondly, the claim that the movie's plot was praised is false; in fact, not many critics are happy with it, having been described as:


 * "Derivative": feels cribbed from Furious 7 with some slight alterations (Cinema Blend); F9 feels stuck in the past (Variety);
 * "Preposterous": an A-to-B plot that’s as laughably lazy as it is simplistic (The Film Stage)
 * "Dense" and "convoluted": I missed an exchange that explained a key plot point about what the main gizmo, that can destroy the world, even does and I didn’t care. It doesn’t matter (Uproxx); complete with long-lost siblings and ridiculously convoluted resurrections (Forbes)

Source (which you shouldn't have deleted): https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/f9-first-reviews-as-over-the-top-as-advertised-and-then-some

And lastly, it's not "too much information" when it's only highlighting what made the movie receive a mixed reception; simply telling readers in the lede that the reception to the film was mixed is wanting. TMI would be expounding on these further in the lede, in which case a violation of WP:FILMLEDE. I'm curious: what was so biased about my edits that would make it unneutral in the eyes of WP:NPOV? Those were just written based on the above source, and I'm fully aware of the fact that biased edits have no place on this site, ever. Nincompoopian (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Citations should typically not be used in the lead if the information is able to sourced in the body of the article where it is addressed in more detail; the lead acts as a summary of the article's contents. The Rotten Tomatoes article should be placed in Reception as there is somewhat of a disconnect between what's said in the lead based on this source, and what's said in Reception based on the other sources.
 * There are countless articles that use the phrase "mixed" or "positive reviews", and in my opinion there is nothing to suggest it would confuse readers into thinking it was the reviews that received this reception and not the film, or that there were no positive or negative reviews. To me, mixed reviews infers it did receive both positive and negative, resulting in the divided reception, which is a greater likelihood than a film receiving nothing but divided reviews.
 * Finally, if you're using adjectives taken straight from specific reviews, then they should be written within quotation marks, or otherwise paraphrased if several reviewers hold the same opinion. This was notably the case with "as well as the plot preposterous, dense and convoluted", and why I felt the wording was not neutral here. Wikibenboy94 (talk) 15:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2021
In the "Plot" section, it is written that Deckard Shaw knocks on the door of Han, but it is actually Han who knocks on the door of Deckard Shaw. So, in the "Plot" section, change "Deckard Shaw (Jason Statham) knocks on the door of Han." to "Han knocks on the door of Deckard Shaw (Jason Statham)." 2409:4041:E09:679B:0:0:1809:C0B (talk) 12:30, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Trimmed instead because of WP:PLOTBLOAT RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:11, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Controversy Section?
I came here looking for some context and background information regarding the John Cena controversy where he simply referred to Taiwan as a country in an interview promoting the movie and then later made a public apology in Chinese. Should there be a section on here including that story? Eclipsed830 (talk) 03:00, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I came for the same reason and have the same question. Kdammers (talk) 02:25, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Second that --2A00:23C6:54A4:E201:F95B:5F42:7D48:433D (talk) 19:04, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2021
"A spaceship returns Tej and Roman to Earth."

I know this is a fast and Furious movie, but I assume this is a joke and doesn't actually happen? If not, should be removed. If so...context, LOL.


 * They are picked up by what seems to be the ISS, and their final conversation implies they were there for at least a few weeks. Steppenwolf2018 (talk) 14:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

It is not "Brian's" car that drives into the driveway
Don't you think it is *Jakob's* car, since Brian is about to say grace?

Second to last paragraph ...


 * It's Brian. The empty seat is right next to Mia, and they're having dinner in their (still not rebuilt, it seems) house. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steppenwolf2018 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

F9 "Family" memes
Theres a shitload of "Family" memes about this film, they're everywhere on the net and theres a bunch of news articles about it. Should we add it to the page?

2603:7000:1F00:6B91:44D4:27F6:910E:8612 (talk) 22:14, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * https://www.eastmojo.com/entertainment/2021/07/06/fast-furious-9-family-memes-are-breaking-the-internet/
 * https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/07/06/vin-diesel-family-meme/
 * https://www.cnet.com/news/fast-and-furious-fans-celebrate-f9-with-vin-diesel-i-got-family-memes/
 * https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/07/05/dom-family-meme/
 * https://www.cbr.com/fast-and-furious-family-internet-memes/
 * https://screenrant.com/fast-furious-9-best-memes-celebrating-the-film-release/
 * https://www.driven.co.nz/news/fast-and-furious-9-a-family-filled-meme-that-s-worth-watching/
 * https://gaming.gentside.com/cinema/fast-furious-des-memes-hilarants-detournent-une-obsession-de-vin-diesel_art31553.html

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