Talk:FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives/Archive 1

Would it not be better to make a link to the current Most Wanted list, rather then keep having to update it in Wikipedia? DJ Clayworth 14:11, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I agree. There's no point in redesigning the wheel, especially since only one of the people on the list has an article on Wikipedia. I also deleted the America's Most Wanted comment, because that isn't really what the show is about. RickK 04:24, 21 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Actually, I think it's useful having the current top ten here because it's a good jumping off point to creating articles about them. What would be nice is to also have a list page with all five hundred or so previous members of the most-wanted list on it, since they'd all be notable criminals probably worth having articles about. Bryan 07:32, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Usama Bin Laden is not wanted in connection for the terrorist attacks in 9-11. check the page again.

Take down the wanted posters. This isn't a post office, or a newspaper. The page should deal with the history of the list, its reason for creation, famous (or infamous) fugitives, where it's appeared (in Dick Tracy, for instance), how long the average time on the list is (316 days), that like. Trekphiler 04:00, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

"in no particular order"
The FBI doesn't number them and neither should Wikipedia. Perhaps the page should explain why they're not ranked -- I always heard it was to keep the baddies from vying for the top slot. I still think it's funny that the nation's chief law enforcement officer would say "I don't know where he is...I just don't spend that much time on him" about anyone on this list. Ewlyahoocom 08:34, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I added the FBI sequence numbers, and dates of entry, with explanation. This is different from 1-10 ranking earlier discussed and removed on February 7, 2006. I think the sequence numbers are important, and interesting, because lots of information can be reasoned from them - how long on the list, how many gaps, how many entries per year, etc. Also, the sequence numbers were all formally published at one time in a pdf file which has since been removed by the FBI - http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/topten.pdf, but may exist elswhere.Steven Russell 05:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Per discussion above, I built and linked the historical top 10 lists of suspects, sorted by decade, in the FBI sequence of appearance order. This should help people to keep this page as it has been, to current match the FBI list of suspects, and to also allow more information to be presented about the list itself, rather than about each individual. The new lists I created will now allow people to create archive articles of individual profiles of suspects, while having a permanent home page for those articles to link up to. As mentioned above, there are quite a few of the fugitives who should have articles written about them. For my format on the new pages, I matched the format of this page as close as possible, for consistency. One additional change that might help this page is to also re-sort the current suspects by date - that is, if the preference here is not to simply match the order displayed by the FBISteven Russell 16:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I have sorted the list and ordered by when added to the FBI list. Also, I now understand why you formatted the new pages in the particular way.  I'm not entirely sure I like the format of this page, and think some of the details can be moved into articles about the fugitives themselves.  And the FBI links can go into the fugitive articles, and/or referenced properly at the end of the page. And, more discussion on the history of the list is appropriate here. -Aude ( talk | contribs ) 18:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you explain why you prefer the table format over this simple paragraph list format here?  This current format is attractive, and simple and easy on the eye.  Tables on the other hand tend to look overly academic, and hence may lose interest.  Also, tables require too much winnowing down of full statmements into mere bullet points, which turns each mini-summary (interesting to read) into a bullet point list of short phrases (boring to read and monotonous).  I understand that Wikipedia has a format standard, but is it really necessary to put the format in line with that, at the sacrifice of readability?  Maybe the table looks better on your screen, but I have an older pc system, and it tends to display very columnar in the table format, with lots of dead white space on my view of the table.  But it seems the format could go either way, so I am working on other pages right now, so I don't conflict with your work.  I have lots more data to add.  I agree with you that "hundreds" of entries is too much on a page.  Not a problem, except for the 1950's and 1960's, when the first several hundred fugitives were named.  So I plan to further parse those decades down into a fugitives by year page, for the 20 years, and keep those decade pages to just a summary and jumping off point for each of the years.  That would make each 1950's - 1960's page contain about 15 fugitives, which is very much in line with this home page.  Each group of fugitives taken as a group (by decade or by year) is of interest in itself, because it reflects the changing times, and how the FBI deals with fugitives (2000's is very sparse, because of re-focus of FBI on terrorism, software upgrades, etc., 1990's is largely terrorists because of lack of Most Wanted Terrrorists list back then, 1980's is a bit sparse, maybe because of better law enforcement techniques resulting in quick captures, 1970's list is large, lots of suspects added each year, and 1960's and 1950's lists are huge with lots and lots of suspects, back in the pre-computer days when it was all tracked on paper.  On this home page, there is a lot of parsable summary data of interest that is available to be added, for interesting reading as well.Steven Russell 20:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone not think the whole "Ten most wanted" concept is ridiculous to the point of it almost being a parody? Is the list tongue in cheek or what? The stuff on Osama Bin Laden is laughably absurd.


 * Perhaps, but it's a result of actions by the decision makers at the FBI. The purpose here (mine at least) is to record history, and the FBI Ten list is an historical (and ongoing) fact of public interest.  The bin Laden page is of course in an ongoing battle, but his FBI listing as a Top Ten member is objectively historical, and can be simply featured here with that intent.  The Top Ten list is really a legacy of the post World War II pre-1950's crime wave (perhaps a legacy of Prohibition, immigration, post-war sentiments, rise of crime families, etc.)  Maybe the 1950's page can deal with more of that context of the origins of the list.-Steven Russell 20:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Not correct
82.157.241.241 19:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Warren Steed Jeffs is not #481 but #482.
 * 481 is Michael Paul Astorga.
 * 464 is Francis William Murphy
 * 465 is Dwight Bowen, captured in Richmond, Virginia

Number On List
Just to classify the difference between the number on list and the actual placing number, the number on list is the number of fugitives added to the list, of course, plus one for the actual criminal.

The placing number is the ranking of the criminal.

Please let me know if I am incorrect, or if you have further questions.

Thanks! --Jomskylark (talk) 18:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

New Design of List
I worked on this:

Just wanted to get some input before I changed everything on this page and subsequent pages. The only bad thing it does not create a "TOC" listing. Any suggestions on that? --Shane (T - C - E) 18:45, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

It looks good. Go with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.23.147 (talk • contribs)
 * Looks great, and I think sacrificing the TOC is acceptable. - SimonP 01:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * All done. :-) [[Image:FBISeal.png|15px]] Shane (talk/contrib) 05:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * What is "number on list"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sylvain1972 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Every fugitive on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List has a number, which shows how many fugitives have been on the list. I believe over 500, to this day, have been on the list. --PAK Man Talk 17:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Infamous
I removed this data and placed it in a text file. If anyone thinks it should be in Wikipedia, I created links under See Also for where they would go. Anyway... that's about it for the notice. Shane (talk/contrib) 05:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Just as historic comment, I had originally added that section, because some editors were adding them, as top Ten Fugitives, in error. I didn't want to just delete. Usually the error was the result of media mis-information, which is often persistent. Major media publication, not accuracy, is the Wikipedia standard for inclusion. The FBI has Most Wanted fugitives, who are not top Tenners, and the media gets this wrong, often. So I also thought the group was interesting, while also providing an answer to the inevitable question, "Well, what about so and so, who I read or heard was one?" Also, the "Infamous, but not top Ten" group list was handy, for the ones like Patty Hearst, who was simply too notoriously well-known to be put on the list, a criteria which seems to have not been applied consistently (bin Laden, e.g.) And also, it was useful to highlight assassins and serial killers, some are, some are not top Tenners (Sirhan Sirhan, vs. James Earl Ray, and Charles Manson, vs. Ted Bundy). So I still think the two groups are useful, and their absence will lead to questions, and they don't really take up that much space, with tiny thumbnails. Plus, I thought they were a fun little tidbit to lighten up the article a bit, as fugitive trivia. Steven Russell 06:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe two articles then... though I was earlier trying to create a "lead" and I went blank. :) --[[Image:FBISeal.png|15px]] Shane (talk/contrib) 06:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Check out the sub-pages. The links are at the top of this page. --[[Image:FBISeal.png|15px]] Shane (talk/contrib) 03:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Peer Review/GA/FL
I submited it for Peer Review to make sure there is nothing extermely wrong. Then it will just move up the process so it can get all the awards. :) -- Shane (talk/contrib) 06:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Submited to WP:GA. --[[Image:FBISeal.png|15px]] Shane (talk/contrib) 01:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:GA Passed; Submited to WP:FL --[[Image:FBISeal.png|15px]] Shane (talk/contrib) 21:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:FL Passed; Congrats to all editors! --[[Image:FBISeal.png|15px]] Shane (talk/contrib) 21:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Problems
Image:FBITenheader_Custom.gif is well done, but unnecessary. If a stunning header is needed, CSS allows it to be done in plain text: in a lot fewer bytes, and flexibly. &para; As I view the article in Mozilla, the FBI template on the right overlaps what's to its left. This is rather disastrous. -- Hoary 02:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Trying to keep some elements. I am never have used IE since... a long time, but in my Mozilla FireFox, I don't see the overlaping. Unless it's from a screen resolution problem. --[[Image:FBISeal.png|15px]] Shane (talk/contrib) 02:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * This is Mozilla 1.7.8, based on the same Gecko as your browser, I believe. Meanwhile, here's a starter as a text-only banner for you:

FBI TEN MOST WANTED FUGITIVES

A lot less than 6kB, and it's flexible. Tamper and tweak to taste. -- Hoary 07:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Added to list.. --[[Image:FBISeal.png|15px]] Shane (talk/contrib) 16:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Good: now there is no overlap as I view the page. -- Hoary 01:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Warning, blue header is now significantly different from the actual FBI logo banner, might be a conflict, or confusion at least, if somebody looks too closely, or makes it a legal issue, see FBI warning about alteration of wanted posters, minor nitpick, but I don't want to end up in the slam over it, you know, along with all these listed bad guys, ha ha. Steven Russell 06:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes and No.Could add a "Warning" just to make sure. The law says in the same format as the page, not works from it. Bugs5382 07:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Something is seriously wrong, one of the criminals is listed as raping "young female chickenz". I can't seem to edit this out directly, it's something more sinister.
 * This is an encylopaedia, not a design contest. ed g2s &bull; talk 12:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Glen Stuart Godwin
Needs some fact checking, the timeline does not seem right, this summary is a lot shorter than on the 1990s page, and I have not looked at the full article, and don't have time to fact check it. I think the Folsom fact is from a mug shot. Would hate to have it be an egregious embarrassing error.Steven Russell 06:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, it must be late for me tonight, I now see he escaped from Folsom prison June 30, 1987 through a storm drain. The Mexico escape followed in 1991, but he is wanted in U.S. for the earlier escape. Timeline and location is awkward, so a bit of cleanup might help, or not. Steven Russell 06:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Query
The article states:

As of 6 May 2006, 482 fugitives have been listed (seven of them women), and 452 captured or located, 148 (33%) of them due to public assistance. That produces a success rate of 94%.

My question is -- apart from the ten people still on the list, who are the other twenty, and what happened to them if they weren't caught? Did those twenty people simply die before being caught, or what? &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 21:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If they were removed it still counts towards the total count. Some did die other are removed because they no longer fit the critera. So the 6% have never been caught while they were on the list, removed, and/or died before being caught. --[[Image:FBISeal.png|15px]] Shane (talk/contrib) 21:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Updates
The article never states how often is the list updated. Yearly? Monthly? Every 10 years? Or are updates not related to time? Thanks. Shinhan 20:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The list is updated whenever one of the persons is captured (or otherwise removed from the list), and there is an empty slot. -- Aude ( talk   contribs ) 20:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I Fixed some errors in the list.
The article is pretty accurate now. --Straplebury22 02:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Number Eleven
I'm not making that up. John E. Douglas, an FBI agent himself and a genius profiler, talks about it in Anatomy of Motive. There's your source. Thanos6 17:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I never heard of it an I am in FBI. Plus, you removed the Usama bin Laden cite causing some problems. Shane (talk/contrib) 20:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I did nothing with bin Laden. It was like that when I found the page.  And if you want me to give you an exact quote and page number from the book, I will. Thanos6 01:26, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That be great. Be something useful for later. Don't matter the cite. It was to who ever else read the talk page. :-) Shane (talk/contrib) 06:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The tenth most wanted man is....
Forgive me If I'm wrong, but if the tenth most wanted man has been captured, isn't there some other "tenth most wanted man"? I mean.... what are you saying? Was that guy the last most wanted by the FBI? Is FBI hunting only 9 persons on the face of this planet? PureRumble 18:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * My misstake... these are the ten most wanted on the fbi-list. I thought the list wasn't up to date. PureRumble 18:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * about that... the man Parsons, is he still on there because he hasn't stood trial yet? or is there some other reason i don't know about? cheers W guice 19:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well take a look at the "real" most-wanted list and you'll see him there too, only his picture says "captured" at the bottom (I think). PureRumble 22:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * yeh, i know, i wasn't questioning you, i was asking why it is that he's still on the official list. is it because he hasn't been tried? W guice 22:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Takes a few weeks for all the FBI field offices to submit and HQ to pick a new fugitive. Shane (talk/contrib) 04:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * lazy buggers at the FBI, aren't they? W guice 01:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I been following the press releases, a lot of new Special Agent's in Charge are being replaced. Gotta be term limited or age so I could understand why there is so much lag time. Shane (talk/contrib) 01:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

bulger
try gallup nm, after blue ash ohio..yeah i met him, he owes me money after the gas...he's in a big 40 footer —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.190.185.81 (talk) 10:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

FBI fugitive subcategory tree
I started to do some subcategory reorganization work on the FBI fugitive tree, because it needs some cleanup work in the categories. So I edited the categories here accordingly. I plan to continue with this effort, but I have not done vandalism patrol lately, and it's a lot of pages to recategorize, so I might get a bit sidetracked, as I go.Steven Russell 05:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Why is Goldberg on the list?
If "Individuals are removed from this list upon capture or death, and replaced by a new entry selected by the FBI. ", why is Goldberg on the list?Duncan.france 13:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * i wondered this before... apparently dudes are just really slack at the FBI.  tomasz.  14:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It takes them a couple of months to add another fugitive. I think they have to have meetings to determine which of their fugitives deserve Top Ten statues. I imagine that process takes a long time. --PAK Man Talk 01:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Reward for Bin Laden
Bin Laden's bounty was doubled mid July 2007 to $50M. 24.98.21.116 03:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * But his wanted poster still hasn't been updated to reflect this. It needs to be approved by the president. It's still unofficial, so until it is official, his bounty should remain at $25 million. --PAK Man Talk 04:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Though the poster has not been updated, the senate has voted 87-1 to double the bounty to $50 Million. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6898075.stm --The_spacemonkey  —Preceding unsigned comment added by The spacemonkey (talk • contribs) 14:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Lorne Herasy
 * What was voted on was an amendment to a proposed bill in the senate. That's all. Its not official in anyway, no matter how poor reporting with little knowledge of the legislative process might make it seem. ccwaters 17:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible for pictures to be added?
I'm guessing they were removed for fair use reasons. Does anybody know for sure? --Npnunda (talk) 03:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Out of Date?
As of today (6/19/08) this page looks considerably out of date, in comparison to the list at http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/fugitives.htm. The order of the list on that source is: However, perhaps there is a more official list that I am not aware of? The fact that Schillaci is still on that list, 2 weeks after his arrest, makes me wonder if there is another source for a more up-to-date listing. (Kmote (talk) 14:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC))
 * Orozco
 * BinLaden
 * Brown
 * Bulger
 * Preciado
 * Fisher
 * Gerena
 * Godwin
 * Schillaci
 * Flores
 * This page is not out of date at all, as the fugitives are on the FBI's page in no particular order. Get it? But this list is in chronological order. Gerena first, Brown last on this list. When FBI has decided who the next top tenner is, Schillaci will be removed from the list at the same time when someone else replaces him. "It takes them a couple of months to add another fugitive." Reverend X (talk) 16:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

America's Most Wanted
Why the shameless plugging of this program? For instance, "John Walsh, the host of America's Most Wanted, helped announce Schillaci's addition to the FBI Top Ten List." It just seems a bit pointless.

I haven't edited anything, but if someone can't come up with a good reason some re-wording should/shall take place, and this sentence shall be removed...

Farpov (talk) 18:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

My two cents: The FBI frequently uses AMW to announce new members to the list. John Walsh is intimately involved with the "public" effort to track down these fugitives. I'm not sure it requires mentioning, but there is some level of relevance. RyanGentry (talk) 18:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Pictures of fugitives
Why the pictures of fugitives have been deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.141.76.47 (talk) 13:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * fair use pedantry, i assume.  tomasz.  13:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

My thought is that for captured fugitives the Ten Most Wanted List page should show them with the FBI added caption "Captured". This will allow users who quickly glance at the list to know that the person has been apprehended. The picture on each fugitive's own page should remain their regular photo. Any thoughts before I change? RyanGentry (talk) 19:00, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * personally think it's an excellent idea i'd support fully.  tomasz.  08:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * support good idea. --Npnunda (talk) 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Don Webb

 * what's his official status now he's been removed from the list? it says this is the first time this has happened so there can't really be a precedent... has he officially 'got away with it'? W guice 09:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

As far as I've heard he is presumed dead. DesertEagle73 —Preceding unsigned comment added by DesertEagle73 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Webb was not the first person to be removed. Arthur Washington (#427) was also removed. The official FBI response is "the person no longer met the criteria to be included in the list". However, what it really means is that the guy is probably dead and/or we are never going to find him. RyanGentry (talk) 06:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Introduction
The introduction to this article jumps right in to the history of the list rather than beginning with an explanation of what the list is. 71.11.215.216 (talk) 22:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC) Lorne Hearsey Why does the article state he is the number 1 most wanted when as of 5/13/08 he is not on the list? http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/fugitives.htm

Perhaps it should be noted somewhere in the introduction that there exist no ranking within the list. This is of course to avoid the risk of someone intentionally trying to be the number one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RBM 72 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Usama vs. Osama
Although the spelling "Osama" is clearly more common in English mass media, but the FBI uses (in particular uses in their "Ten Most Wanted Fugitives" list) the name "Usama," so we should probably spell it thus in this article.Eebster the Great (talk) 02:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * i dunno, i mean, just because they're the FBI, doesn't give them a licence to spell things how they like. If Microsoft decided computer was spelled "computor" i don't think we'd run with that either.  tomasz.  09:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Usama is the correct spelling. This whole Osama thing is a big mistranslation. Spartan123209 (talk) 15:05, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hardly. The vast majority of all available coverage goes with O, and my point above about the FBI's preferences still stands.  tomasz.  17:30, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Believe it or not, the media decided to use "Osama" because "Usama" has the letters "USA" at the beginning, according to an NPR report I heard around 2002-2003. So the FBI are right here. P.S. Re-investigate 9/11!

Criteria?
I am struck by the very wide range of severity of crimes on the list; and based on the descriptions of selection criteria and individuals currently on the list, I find it hard to see why some entries are justified (in the explicit context of most wanted). Why e.g. would Emigdio Preciado, Jr. be more wanted than the hundreds of other people who have commited similar or more severe crimes? The article would bring more insight if this issue was addressed.

Depending on the exact reasons for the issue, the cure will be different. It could be that the descriptions are too incomplete, say not mentioning the fact that a particular wantee is suspected to be a leading drug tycoon, serial killer, or has a dire previous criminal record; that the selection is governed by media attention; that ...

(Obviously, I understand that the selection is ultimately at the discretion of the FBI, not the WP editors.) 88.77.135.6 (talk) 14:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

October 2009 - Three New People Added
I would love to update this page but honestly I am confused as to how to upload images to media wiki. If someone wishes to add this news to the page before I get around to it feel free! ''Our Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list has seen a lot of action lately, with the capture of three “Top Tenners” since July. Starting today, and over the next three days, we will be adding a new name each day to the list.'' - [FBI Top 10 Pressroom] on 10/19/09. First one added [Joe Luis Saenz] ~ Vince Navarro(t/c) 15:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

"Most Wanted" clearinghouse
Is there a page or a category where one can find links to any of the "Most Wanted"-type lists on Wikipedia?

Also, would it be appropriate to add a link to U.S. Marshals 15 Most Wanted Fugitives under See also on this FBI page? That page is sort of orphaned and would probably get more traffic if there were more places to link it. oh my yes (talk) 00:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

osama
That picture of Usama bin Ladin is not him. Also, if you look at the picture closely the turban has been superimposed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.254.205 (talk) 23:09, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

someone keeps changing the date that osama bin laden was added i know it was sometime in 1998


 * Nope. His wanted poster says June 1999. --PAK Man Talk 01:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Nope Osama Bin Laden[8] is the leader of al-Qaeda, and is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States embassies, Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. bin Laden and al-Qaeda are also responsible for the October 12, 2000, attack on the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen, which killed 17. Although bin Laden also later appeared on the first publicly released FBI Most Wanted Terrorists list on October 10, 2001, he was listed there for the 1998 embassy attack, and not for his alleged role in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000, because the most wanted lists name fugitives charged with a crime by a prosecutor or under indictment by a grand jury. Bin Laden was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in, for instance, the federal indictment against convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, but has not been formally indicted for his role in the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Osama Bin Laden is the subject of a $25 million reward through the State Department's Rewards for Justice program targeting international fugitives, especially terrorists, plus $2 million through a program developed and funded by the Air Line Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommydanaher (talk • contribs) 21:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

read before posting list is out of date
Michael Jason Registe has been captured. The official FBI top 10 list includes a captured fugitive on It's list until a new person has been added. It usually takes months for the FBI to add a new person to the list. --Npnunda (talk) 02:42, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Osama binLaden has been killed by the U.S. Navy SEALS by gunshot. He died on May 2, 2011 and buried in the ocean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.109.147.207 (talk) 00:05, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Osama bin Laden's death date is wrong
Osama bin Laden died on may 1, not may 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scamander24 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * He died on May 1st in America, but it was May 2nd over there when it happened and we're using local time. Silver  seren C 00:06, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Osama Bin Laden
Osama Bin Laden is dead. He should be removed from the list. --Pedanti (talk) 06:07, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

That may be so, but according to the FBI website he is still on there. So lets wait till they update the list. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten AMERICAN MIGHT (talk) 07:35, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

The article currently states:


 * "The most recent Ten Most Wanted Fugitive to be captured is Osama Bin Laden, who was killed by US military forces."

This should be changed to:


 * "The most recent Ten Most Wanted Fugitive to be removed from the list is Osama Bin Laden, who was killed by US military forces."

I have no interest in starting an account, so could a registered user please change this? Thanks. 132.162.164.169 (talk) 16:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Changed.--Tim Thomason 20:26, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The news keeps saying that bin Laden is off and Ayman al-Zawahiri is on, but they haven't changed their webby site. 4.240.117.79 (talk) 09:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Spelling of Osama
The FDI lists him as Usama and I believe since this page uses the FBI list as the main source, listing him as Usama would be appropriate. 194.254.137.115 (talk) 14:04, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that is an easy fix. I just put both on and referenced the "Usama" to the FBI poster.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs)

Bin Laden's Name
I propose the footnote after the dot to be changed to "This is due to differences in transliteration" or similar (see below) --Qmc21 (talk) 22:42, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

There is a footnote attributing the difference in spelling to regional differences. This is wrong. The real reason is, that it is an arabic name and can be translitterated in various different ways. Could someone please change this, as I laughed my head off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.138.189.179 (talk) 19:43, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

anyone?--84.138.163.183 (talk) 22:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — Bility (talk) 19:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Can someone clarify?
In the main article, it says that of the 494 fugitives who were listed, 463 (now 465) have been captured or located. Not counting the ones in the current list, what happened to 21 of the fugitives? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.68.131.8 (talk) 00:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Some individuals are never captured of kill while on the list, but they are eventually removed from the list. For example Dwight Allen Armstrong (#310) was removed from the list on April 1, 1976, because he no "longer met the list criteria".  I don't have a list of those "removed" but 12 isn't out of the range of possibility.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 15:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Eric Justin Toth added April 10th, 2012
The FBI just made a press release that Toth has been added to the 10 most wanted fugitives. Does that mean we delete Bin Laden? http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/april/top-ten-list_041012/top-ten-list_041012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.154.74 (talk) 14:38, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup. He is no longer on the list.  I have already started the process.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 16:22, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

New Fugitive
Say hello to Fidel Urbina, everybody. ThePeriodicTable123 (talk) 21:39, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Gerena
The reward for Gerena is given variously. $100,000 and $1,000,000 are there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.110.150 (talk) 12:33, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Walter Lee Williams
Regarding Walter Lee Williams, I am confused. He was captured. Doesn't that take him off the list? Why would he still be considered to be "on" their list? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:42, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Addition to the list 2014-03-26
The FBI added a new person to the list today: Juan Elias Garcia. See FBI: New Top Ten Fugitive and FBI: Juan Elias Garcia. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 21:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Scope of article
There are thousands upon thousands of murders (and other crimes) taking place every year in the USA. What makes the crimes of these individuals so "different"? Does the FBI have any sort of criteria to determine who to put on the list? And why? This article should touch upon that topic. With all of the criminals out there, how and why did the FBI narrow it down to these ten? I don't know about this topic. If someone does, that information should be added in. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:27, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Outdated tag
With the capture of Eric Matthew Frein, this article becomes outdated and needs to be updated. (1) I assume that he is now "off" of the list. Is that correct? (2) The article currently states: "Eric Matthew Frein is the person most recently listed still at large." That needs revision. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:23, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Joseph A. Spadaro, not exactly. As of now, he is still on the list, just marked as "captured". I'm not 100% sure, but I believe he is replaced eventually when there is someone else they want to add to the top 10.--Yaksar (let's chat) 02:37, 31 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Yes, indeed, I was not sure how they (the FBI) handle all of this.  I wasn't sure if he has to be "officially" taken off the list.  I can't imagine that he is kept on the list and simply marked as "captured".  It is a list of most wanted fugitives.  Once captured, they are neither wanted, nor are they fugitives.  (I would think.)  But, who knows how the FBI officially handles the minutiae?  Nonetheless, my second concern is still valid.  The article currently states: "Eric Matthew Frein is the person most recently listed still at large."  That needs revision.  Thanks.  Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:03, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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Should the date in section header "List as of XX" (currently "List as of May 29, 2017") be based on FBI's FAQ "Date Placed on List" and "Date Located" column, whichever is the latest date? I see no point in updating the date if the list has not been updated. Politrukki (talk) 08:06, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * So people will know when someone last checked if the list has changed. Say the last change on the list was 3 months ago and we list that date. Everyone will be looking at it and think it is out of date. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 19:11, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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How do we find out who is the most wanted on this list? As in who is the most important/ dangerous person on this list? Is there a difference between this list and the Interpol list? #KissNoise 00:32, 30 January 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vmg976 (talk • contribs)

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