Talk:FC Barcelona/Archive 4

Squad table format
A discussion is being held here on the possibility of rolling out a new squad template. The new template, named football squad player2, differs from the standard squad layout in several ways:
 * It features a sort function
 * Comes in a single column format that can be understood by screen readers.
 * Single column format ensures that low resolution browsers, including mobile devices, do not get part or all of the second column cut off.
 * Single column format ensures less clutter, particularly at lower resolutions, for wide sections such as the Arsenal loan section.
 * It gives nationality its own column; at present flags are featured in a blank, untitled column
 * It complies with Wikipedia's guidance on flag usage.
 * It leaves enough space to add images of current players, an example of which can be seen at Watford F.C.

It is proposed that the new template be added to some of Wikipedia's most high-profile club articles, which might include. To give your thoughts, please read and contribute to the discussion at WikiProject Football.

Regards, —WFC— 00:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The football project is suggesting that all rosters move to that format. See WikiProject Football/Archive 62. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:15, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Affiliated clubs
Should this not be removed, there does not appear to be any citing of references and it almost looks like the list from Football Manager in regards to feeder clubs? Joshuaselig (talk) 19:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Should not be removed because it doesn't have any references? Did you really write that? It should be removed because it doesn't have any references (or any rhyme or reason). --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:09, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You've been misled by a somewhat archaic construction of the English language. "Should this not be removed..." (a question) is equivalent to "This should be removed..." (a statement). -- Arwel Parry (talk) 23:31, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Burnley Football Club/1957.!!!!at the Nou Camp
I was a member of Burnley team who played on that great occasion at your ground. Another foreign side was involved in the 'three day'opening tournament. The date was,I think,the 27th. September.Quite an occasion.!!!!! Yet, no mention anywhere on your website.?? I still have the small 'lapel' badge.!!! It would be nice to see it mentioned in your memoirs.!!!!86.159.217.254 (talk) 18:06, 26 January 2012 (UTC) Dave Smith.--86.159.217.254 (talk) 18:06, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The game you played was on the 25th, 3 matches were played during the Camp Nou inauguration festival. On the 24th FC Barcelona played Legia Warsaw, on the 25th your team Burnely played Flamengo and were soundly beaten 0-4 with Zagallo scoring twice, you can read a match review in spanish of that game here http://hemeroteca.lavanguardia.com/preview/1957/09/26/pagina-23/32767853/pdf.html, the last game was played between FC Barcelona and Borussia Dortmund on the 26th.

Permanent/Regular soccer academy
As said by one of SCB Escola co-founder, Indonesia will be the first of Permanent/Regular soccer academy in overseas and not just a temporary or summer camps.http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/01/25/indonesia-get-fc-barcelona-s-first-overseas-soccer-academy.html Gsarwa (talk) 17:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC) Might be FC Barcelona have many soccer academy, but not in overseas (I don't know wether Poland and Great Britain are categorized as overseas or not).Gsarwa (talk) 18:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 January 2012
There are some mistakes concerning nationalities, it's necessary to change some catalan to spanish nationalities

GranAnsar (talk) 11:01, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This template is for requesting specific changes to the article, if you'd like to edit it yourself you need to be autoconfirmed/confirmed-- Jac 16888 Talk 12:16, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Catalanism
Founded in 1899 by a group of Swiss, English and Catalan footballers led by Joan Gamper, the club has become a symbol of Catalan culture and Catalanism, hence the motto "Més que un club" (English: More than a club).

I think that's a subjective opinion, the footballers were spanish, like the team, not catalonian, and the team isn't a symbol of catalanism, that's a mistake, it's a team followed by a lot of different people, not only catalanism — Preceding unsigned comment added by GranAnsar (talk • contribs) 2012-02-16 09:30:27
 * Then add a CN. I removed the overlinks, but don't know how to fix the phrase without doing damage to the idea, which as I understand, is accurate. It is a symbol of Catalanism. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:20, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Years in European competitions
Right now there is an edit warring because of the following sentence: "Barcelona is the only European club to have played continental football every season since 1955..." with the given reference. It is indeed true that Barcelona has played continental football every year since 1955. The question is: is it the only team which has done so? There is a source, but then again, that never stops editors who disagree.--Coquidragon (talk) 04:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Since the source has been disputed, here is a source straight from the FCBarcelona.om page. --Coquidragon (talk) 04:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * But the existing source is an official Barcelona site as well. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Notes vs References
There are some notes in the references section. These need to be moved properly, making sure all mentions of said references are updated. Cloudz 679 22:16, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

13 ouf of possible 16 titles in 3,5 year, domination or not?
In my humble opinion winning 13 titles ouf of possible 16 titles (which is an historic feat in a top league in Europe) during 3.5 years can be labeled as domination without being biased. The 3 titles that were not won, out of the 16 possible, was the CL in 2010 (where FC Barcelona was elimated against Inter FC under controversial circumstances in the semifinal), a Copa Del Rey exit against Sevilla in the quarterfinal and the Copa Del Rey final defeat against Real Madrid in 2011.

But personally I don't care what the headline will be but this RealCowboys (who have an history of being blocked and not behaving) should not delete information and lable it as false when the subject has been discussed and proven correct, or delete information on a rival football clubs Wikipedia page without any discussion before deleting it as he is biased. --Suitcivil133 (talk) 14:34, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you can find a variety of verifiable reliable sources calling it a "dominance" then it should be no problem. Calling it a "dominance" otherwise is, as you say your "humble opinion"... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:55, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree with The Rambling Man. I shouldn't have stepping into this as I did.
 * Also, please don't comment on an editor's behaviour when it's not relevant: his blocks were for personal attacks, not for editing unreliably. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:45, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Unless there's a source then 'domination' remains as POV. By way of comparison, the Arsenal team of 2003-04 can be described as 'the Invincibles' because there are plenty of sources referring to them as such - same goes for the Preston North End team of the late 1880s. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 15:56, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like there's general agreement that we need reliable sources before describing this as domination. In this case I only agree with the need for such sources because it is disputed by some. To my mind, this is, by definition, domination but, that being the case, it should not be hard to find appropriate sources. Longwayround (talk) 21:51, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Quoted by two administrators

Also, without looking at anything else, agree that "Football Domination" is not appropriate. (I've also again grouped these threads.) -- RA (talk) 23:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Without looking at anything else, "Football Domination" is not an appropriate section title, IMO. Drmies (talk) 22:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

As for "RealCowboys (who have an history of being blocked and not behaving) should not delete information and lable it as false when the subject has been discussed and proven correct, or delete information on a rival football clubs Wikipedia page without any discussion before deleting it as he is biased." In what way was me deleting "Football Domination" biased? The section title it self is biased, Any other succesful team could claim its self as "Football Domination", why I disagree with you is because your trying to justify that FC Barcelona is an unstopable team, did you know they lost againts Getafe? A lower rank team or they couldnt defeat Espanol? Another lower rank team? I would imagine that if they did dominate they would be on top when in fact as of right now they and currently in second. Im going to tell you one more time, DO NOT refer or mention me in any of your juvenile post. If you have a problem use the talk page without using another editors name. RealCowboys (talk) 05:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Stop the trash-talk. Keep the discussion neutral. In short Don't be a fanatic.
 * You can't prevent people from discussing you on talk pages, provided that it's done in a neutral way.
 * Stating that a term is biased and not appropriate is not the same as saying that it's not true. I agree that 13 of 16 cups is very dominating play. Now we only need a reference or two to confirm it. And dominating does not mean unstoppable, only that they did extremely well. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:29, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

First off, you dont tell me what to do, just because your some "editor" that likes to snitch out alot doesnt make you better then anyone here. "You can't prevent people from discussing you on talk pages, provided that it's done in a neutral way." In what neutral way is that? By calling me biased, by pulling out my previous entries and typing "RealCowboys (who have an history of being blocked and not behaving)" no thats not nuetral at all. But if I so as react then surprisingly I get reported and from who? YOU. Grow up, I dont care if you older then me I dont care if your more literal or punctual, you say you try to follow wikipedia guide lines yet you act like a douchebag to me. Using "Football Domination" is a biased way of putting it, yes they did extremely well but theres no need for POV remarks, Real Madrid was in terms "Football Domination" back in the 50's and 60's yet theres no need to showcase them in the sense they were powerful. So go ahead and report me for calling you a douchebag, snitching is what you do best. RealCowboys (talk) 07:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not telling you what to do, I'm trying to help you become a cooperative editor. Feel free to ignore my suggestions.
 * I don't snitch at all. I simply help enforce rules on wikipedia.
 * If you want to point out things I wrote, you should include a link for context.
 * Using "football domination" is no more biased than indicating that Ted Nugent is god or that the Beattles are bigger than Jesus. Those are verifiable quotes that were used to describe them and so if one can be found, as was explained above, then it's fair to use, at least in the body. Neutrality must be maintained.
 * And for the record, you didn't call me a vulgar name, you stated I was acting badly, albeit with a poorly chosen word. And you should actually read WP:CIVIL and Dick.
 * If you want to continue this discussion, feel free to do so on your talk page, but don't forget to leave me a talkback notice. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 08:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I would note that, in order for Barcelona "domination" to be placed as a header, it would need to enter common usage, as shown through relable sources. Walter, neither Ted Nugent's claim of godhood or the Beatles' misquote are article headers, so I don't know what you mean. &mdash;Dark 06:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

There are several articles, former and current managers and players, experts etc. that have labelled the Guardiola era as an dominance. 13 out of possible 16 titles also confirm this. It is a very common description used about this current FC Barcelona. Domination is also used for Manchester United's domestic dominance under the reign of Alex Ferguson's as well for Real Madrid during the 1950-1960's and Sacchi's AC Milan in the late 1980's and early 1990's. I must admit that if 13 titles won out of possible 16 is not enough to be labelled as dominant, then the word should not be used to describe any past or present successful club team or country.--Suitcivil133 (talk) 19:43, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please, if you can provide verifiable reliable sources saying the club is "dominant" (with context) then add them and there should be no problem. Stop edit warring, you, and any other edit warring editor, are going to be blocked shortly if this stupidity continues.  Discuss your issues/claims/disagreements on the talk page.  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:45, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Hehe- I recently made edits to this same piece, I totally didn't realise I was wading into an ongoing war :P Let me start off by saying, both sides have a case. You know why? Because this is a subjective issue, which cannot be measured definitively, it's one man's opinion against another. However, I'm not saying everything on Wikipedia must be agreed on by every human being on earth- if that were the case, then the page on the Moon landings, for example, would be completely blank :P What I say, is this: some people think 13 out of 16 is 'dominance', some disagree. But that is the big point- everyone has their own point of view- two people may read the same thing and form different opinions. This is why I would argue that, in this case, the statistics alone will suffice, without the label of 'dominance' being applied. People are intelligent enough to form their OWN opinions of what counts as dominance when they read 13 out of 16- it is not up to any of us to make their minds up for them. Uranium grenade (talk) 19:37, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

date of the victory of a Spanish Cup
There is an error in the date of the victory of a Spanish Cup : 1919/20 and not 1918/19 !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.75.49.212 (talk) 15:02, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Perhaps we could get a reference to confirm the date while we're at it. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:09, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

What is the difficult to correct this obvious error ? It is 1919/20 !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.75.97.45 (talk) 12:38, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Elections
While I recognize the quality of this article, I think there should be more information about the elections. How often are they held? when was the first time they took place? (were there any elections during the years of the Francoist Spain'? wasn't there a change recently so that elections are to be held every 6 years instead of 4? is there a limit to the amount of years you can be the president? The list Presidentes_del_F%C3%BAtbol_Club_Barcelona from the Spanish wikipedia has some details but the featured list for English Wikipedia (List of FC Barcelona presidents) is very limited about these aspects. I hope somebody has the knowledge to expand on these topics. Maybe specific articles for each election would also be very interesting.85.50.155.250 (talk) 01:58, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The Catalan and Dutch wikipedias have an article for the last election in 2010:
 * XII_eleccions_a_la_Presid%C3%A8ncia_del_Futbol_Club_Barcelona
 * Verkiezingen clubpresident FC Barcelona 2010
 * It would be great if somebody could translate these articles. Regards.85.50.155.250 (talk) 02:01, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Nou Camp
http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/match-archive/2011-2012/league/round-35/fc-barcelona_real-madrid

To update the capacity of the stadium to 99.786. 151.75.45.64 (talk) 21:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * ❌ Seeing as the source currently used to verify the capacity is in English and the one you're proposing to use is in Spanish, I think it's probably best to stick with what we've got for now per WP:NONENG. If you can find an English source which is clearly more up-to-date/reliable than the current one, then come back and we can have another look at it. Regards Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 22:12, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Even the Barça page of Wiki in English has this capacity : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Nou 151.75.92.94 (talk) 21:15, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * So? See WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 21:27, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Guardiola/Vilanova
Guardiola will leave after this season and will only then be succeeded by Francesc Vilanova. The infobox is incorrect. Guardiola is still the FC Barcelona manager. 83.80.170.157 (talk) 10:02, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. B  music  ian  12:00, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done per this source, which states Vilanova will take over after Guardiola leaves on the 30th June. He's still manager until then. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 12:47, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Corporate sponsorship
The part about sponsorship could be improved, I think. It begins:
 * Since its founding, Barcelona has never worn corporate advertisements on their shirt.

But then it says:
 * Barcelona ended their refusal of corporate sponsorship prior to the commencement of the 2011–12 season, signing a five-year €150m deal with the Qatar Foundation.

Which sounds like a contradiction. But I'm not entirely sure if it is, because the Qatar foundation is not a corporation, but a non-profit... Anyway, not really clear. 194.171.56.13 (talk) 11:04, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done I think I've fixed it. Take a look Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 11:26, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Stadium capacity
The infobox and Records section cite different stadium capacity, could someone fix that contradiction?-- Brand meister talk  14:35, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

FC Barcelona or Barcelona
Should FC Barcelona be called Barcelona or FC Barcelona in the Wikipedia article? I feel that the more correct name would be the full name of the club which is FC Barcelona.

What is the opinion about this matter?--Suitcivil133 (talk) 22:48, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


 * It should be called Barcelona unless there is another professional team in the city. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:17, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. My question may not have been particularly precise but what I intended to ask about was whether we should use the full name FC Barcelona rather than just Barcelona.--Suitcivil133 (talk) 01:09, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * As I said, it should be Barcelona unless there is another professional team in the city. The only time the full name should be used is in the lede. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

It could have never been Franco himself but the Fascist government. Franco was a dictator but not a financier himself.--Suitcivil133 (talk) 22:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

There is another professional team in the first division, RCD Espanyol, and several other professional teams in lower divisions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.33.158.121 (talk) 21:26, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 May 2012
FC Barcelona's motto says in Spanish "Més de un club" = More than a club.

It should be "Más de un club." The former loosely means "month than a club".

Más = More.

Echamberlin (talk) 03:56, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes in Spanish it should be Más but in Catalan it is Més, this is explained in the Spanish version. Oh and this &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 04:59, 12 May 2012 (UTC) Camp Nou més que un club.jpg

Pep Guardiola
Please do add the fact that Pep Guardiola is stepping down as the manager of FC Barcelona. Tito Vilanova is the manager of the football club for the season 2012-13. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karthikvaja (talk • contribs) 10:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Casillas
Iker Casillas plays for Real Madrid. He is the captain and goalkeeper of Real Madrid. The goalkeeper of FC Barcelona is Victor Valdes. Please do correct the mistake in the article as soon as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karthikvaja (talk • contribs) 10:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

David Villa's signing
"Rosell signed David Villa from Valencia for €40 million.[65]" is plain wrong. Source gives the date of 19th of May, while Sandro Rosell only started his presidency in the following month. Villa's signing should be attributed to his predecessor, Joan Laporta, instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.67.254 (talk) 11:10, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

FC Barcelona are Spain's most popular team.
Acording to a recent survey carried by AS (A madrid-based newspaper), Barcelona is spain's most popular team with 41% of the population voting for the catalans.

Source: http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/espana-pasa-madrid-barcelona/20111010dasdaiftb_3/Tes

Could you please edit the article and add "Spain's most popular team"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.1.88.113 (talk) 18:42, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There's no way that you can just say that they are "Spain's most popular" team without caveats such as "a survey by AS in 2011 said that..." There are different ways of presenting who is most popular. Is it just the highest number of people who claim to be fans, fans less people who hate them, number of people who admire the club, the way they play, etc? "Most popular" is a bit too much of a vague and peacock-y term to be included, in my opinion. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 09:35, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If the article says that FCB is Spains most popular team, then you can add that FCB is spain most popular team. If its sourced, it can be added. Sandman888 (talk) 16:45, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, one could easily source the exact opposite. -Koppapa (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Then the following line should be removed from the article: "In Spain, about 25% of the population are said to be Barça sympathisers, second behind Real Madrid, supported by 32% of the population." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.23.186.33 (talk) 15:16, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Women
Maybe 10 out of 10,000 people watching this page could improve FC Barcelona (women). They just became Spanish Champion. ;) -Koppapa (talk) 13:38, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

How many Fairs Cups did Barcelona win?
There seems to be a lot of discussion here as to whether to include the Fairs Cup wins in the stats or not, but leaving that aside, there seems to be no discussion about whether they actually won it 2 or 3 times. The first competition was entered by a Barcelona XI, albeit with all but one player coming from FC Barcelona, there was 1 player from Espanyol. The team that entered didn't play in a Barcelona kit or use the club badge, they used the city's coat of arms. Attributing the victory to FC Barcelona is like saying they beat Tottenham or Arsenal in the final, whereas they beat a London XI. (BigTurnip (talk) 23:00, 6 April 2012 (UTC))


 * I see where you are coming from, but unlike the London XI (Arsenal, Brentford, Charlton Athletic, Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Fulham,Leyton Orient, Millwall, Queens Park Rangers, Tottenham Hotspur, and West Ham United) and other city teams, which were composed by members from the different teams in the city (or in the league), several teams were chosen to represent the city itself (Birmingham City, Inter de Milan, Lausanne-Sports) as it was the case for FCBarcelona, which as you say only included one player from RCDEspanyol and played using the white and blue and had the Barcelona City shield on its chest. Your analogy is not quite correct--Coquidragon (talk) 03:40, 7 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not quite sure how the analogy isn't correct, the only difference is numeric, if the GB team win a medal at this year's Olympics with 10 English players and 1 Welsh player, would you say that England won the Medal? Are America the only country fighting in Afghanistan because they make up 90% of the troops?  They never entered the competition as FC Barcelona, they didn't win it as FC Barcelona and they didn't use only FC Barcelona players, so I'm not really sure how they can take credit for it as a club. (BigTurnip (talk) 19:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC))

Guardiola Stepping Down
I notice that there isn't a section edit to say Guardiola will step down at the end of the season. I think it is fair to say that the semi final defeats to Chelsea and the defeat to Real Madrid effectively handing them the title are relevant to this, but they too are not included. The sabbatical should be discussed, perhaps the section could be re-worded to sum up Guardiola's achievements whilst he was manager at the end of the paragraph on his time there. 80.3.228.216 (talk) 22:36, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Guardiola's section doers indeed need to mention that he will leave the club at the end of may. But I don't think that the last two loses are related to his leaving the club. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.12.183.130 (talk) 06:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Camp Nou extension - 1982 instead of 1992
The section "Stadiums" mentions that "In preparation for the 1992 Summer Games two tiers of seating were installed above the previous roofline." This extension was done for the 1982 FIFA World Cup, not for the 1992 Olympics. See also the Club's official website. (In the article "Camp Nou", the information is correct.) Can someone please modify this, or can I do it myself? (I have only just now created a user ID.)

Koby bcn (talk) 13:07, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Camp Nou extension - 1982 instead of 1992
Hello,

The section "Stadiums" mentions that "In preparation for the 1992 Summer Games two tiers of seating were installed above the previous roofline." This extension was done for the 1982 FIFA World Cup, not for the 1992 Olympics. See also the Club's official website. (In the article "Camp Nou", the information is correct.) Can someone please modify this, or can I do it myself? (I have only just now created a user ID.)

Thank you,

Koby bcn (talk) 13:07, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

dos santos, muniesa, bartra, montoya
These player have been promoted to the first team squad. http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/staff — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.86.228.188 (talk) 09:43, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Ibrahim Afellay
Ibrahim Afellay is named as a defender in #Current_Squad. He is attacking midfielder and winger. Please remove DF from his position and change it into MF. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adi Noor (talk • contribs) 18:20, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 July 2012
Please change the position listed against Ibrahim Afellay under "Current Squad" from DF to MF as he is a midfielder not a defender

Snehil102 (talk) 12:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Floating Boat   (the editor formerly known as AndieM)  16:07, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Website on FC Barcelonas satistic
This website, Rosa su BDFutbol.com, can give great information on Barcelonas satistic history. Forexampel previous seasons, games, starting eleven, tactic formation, goalscorers, booking and so on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.78.243.102 (talk) 14:48, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

FC Barcelona Current Squad
I'm sure that Jonathan Soriano is not in FCB squad, he's playing for Red Bull Salzburg: http://redbulls.com/soccer/salzburg/en/Jonathan-Soriano.html

yes but this isnt hte same Jonathan we are talking about Jonathan dos Santos here he is still at the team even if he isnt playing.

Adnan talk07:44,17 October 2012 (UTC)

And Marc Muniesa is currently number 26, according to the official website: http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/staff/players/marc_muniesa/biography — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hulkmovies (talk • contribs) 10:24, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I made this edit twice and it was undone both times. It clearly says on the team's website that Marc Muniesa's number is 26, but someone keeps on undoing the edit. Dar5995 (talk) 00:06, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

wtf??????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.187.251 (talk) 18:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Regional titles
I see two editors going back and forth about including or not the Regional titles in the "Honours" section. First, one editor added them. Then, another deleted them arguing against including because they are friendlies. Yet, as I read about the tournaments, both of them are or were organized by the Catalan Football Federation. The Catalan championship was an official league, even before the Spanish league was created. Then, after the Spanish league became the main championship, it was suspended. The Catalan cup is the regional equivalent to the Copa del Rey. Is the "official" designation kept only for RFEF, UEFA and FIFA? Why not for FCF? If they should not be included due to their being regional competitions, I could agree, but let's discuss it first and hear both sides of the issue. I could also agree with including them.--Coquidragon (talk) 16:22, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Suitcivil133, please stop deleting the Regional titles. 1. You speak of consensus. Where? I've searched the archives and haven't found anything. Please help me to find it, if it is there. 2. Also, if there is consensus, I don't think it's being followed. The first four teams that came to my mind, Atlético Madrid, Athletic Bilbao, RCD Espanyol, and Deportivo de La Coruña have their regional titles in their articles. 3. You claim they are not official. You are wrong. They are official, as organized by the Catalan Football Federation. What you mean is that they are not organized by RFEF. Well, that is not the only criteria for a tournament to be official. The Catalan league is older than La Liga, and was the official competition.--Coquidragon (talk) 15:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * We should remove the regional titles from all of those articles, not because they're not unofficial, but because they're trivial. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:41, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello Coquidragon.

It was my impression that regional titles/trophies are not included in the main page. This is certainly the case with all major football clubs that have pages on Wikipedia across the biggest leagues in Europe. What I meant by consensus was that this issue was raised years ago and not only on this page. Most editors agreed that only the main titles should be included - meaning those organized by the FA in the particular country and obviously European and international titles organized by UEFA/FIFA.

I also agree with Walter here. It's kind of trivial anyway. What will be next? Adding the Gamper Cup as well? Regional friendlies organized in the 1920's along with friendly tournaments? So yes, we should stick to those organized by RFF in this case and obviously the European/international ones organized by UEFA/FIFA.

Moreover there is already a separate article regarding the trophies won by FCB (both official and non-official) and the regional trophies you have listed on the main page can be found there and in my opinion they are way more fitting on that page rather than the main page.--Suitcivil133 (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * EDITED: I have removed my own comment. Thanks Walter.-Coquidragon (talk) 07:48, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * WP:NPA suggests that we focus on content and not the contributors. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 08:09, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

FC Barcelona Handbol
What about FC Barcelona Handbol? There's a redirection to the basketball page, should also be one to the biggest handball club (section) in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.153.87.215 (talk) 03:19, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ It was already in the See also section. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:24, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

El Clasico - Re-enactment of Spanish Civil War
Under 'El Clasico' section, there is a note saying that the match is "seen by one author as a re-enactment of the Spanish Civil War". The citation given refers to this passage:

"And increasing international rivalry did not supersede intense local competition. Thus, matches between Real Madrid and FC Barcelona reenacted the Spanish Civil War - and continue to do so to this day, as I can testify from living in Barcelona and going to watch them play."

The line in the Wikipedia article is highly misleading: the author does not claim that the match has ideological or cultural similarity between the actual 1936-39 war between Nationalists and Republicans. His comparison to the Spanish Civil War is to highlight the intense domestic competition that emerges through these games, and nothing further. The line in Wikipedia should be accordingly removed, unless we're trying to give the impression that one of the two teams represent the "fascist" side during El Clasico. 67.255.5.219 (talk) 20:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * How would suggest that the phrase be changed? Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * How about change the last two sentences of the paragraph to simply the following:
 * "The rivalry reflects what many regard as the political and cultural tensions felt between two historical regions in Spain, Catalonia and Castile, as well as between the two cities."67.255.5.219 (talk) 22:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Nicknames
I speak catalan and read it as well and I noticed that in the nicknames one of them is "Culers or Culés (supporters)" but Culers does not mean supporters, it means "rear end" or (excuse my language) asses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.174.204 (talk) 07:55, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

--- This is absolutely true. Barcelona fans aren't "culers," the appropriate term is "Culé." Please make the chgange; it's overdue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michalom (talk • contribs) 19:38, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * No, it's culers. See http://dlc.iec.cat/results.asp?txtEntrada=culer. Unfortunately most people spell it wrong.
 * --79.147.255.109 (talk) 08:33, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Both words are right. The correct question in this case is: "how are F. C. Barcelona fans called in English? Both "culer" (Catalan) and "culé" (Spanish) are correct, but both words foreign to English. The problem is that I've seen both being used by the English language press. Is there a preference? I don't know.--Coquidragon (talk) 12:13, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

sectioning
Put the recent history as the emergence of Messi. The team of Guardiola and Villanova are very similar with Messi being the main influence that binds them together. Should Villanova leave and a third coach come the team and feel of it will likely remain the same. 17:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * And I restored the former headings. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:08, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 04 June 2013
Neymar has not been added to the current squad - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.179.45.232 (talk • contribs)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Transfers do not techinally finalize until July 1st, so it will be updated then. Thanks! Malik Conn 18:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 June 2013
Juballs16 (talk) 19:54, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: - See the reply in the section above: "Transfers do not technically finalize until July 1st, so it will be updated then." Thank you. Begoon &thinsp; talk  04:18, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Kits with logos
Template:Football_kit states "Club badges, sponsor logos, and manufacturer logos should never be included". Please do not include kits that go against this policy. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 July 2013
I would like to add Gerard Deulofeu to the on loan section.

Cmankick (talk) 17:24, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Nici  Vampire  Heart  17:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Champions League 2012/13
The international results of the saison 12/13 are missing under the headline "Villanova". The were in the semi-finals for the 6th time in a row and only beaten by the later champion Bayern Munich, due to an injured Messi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.219.156.60 (talk) 21:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

"are" vs "is"
"Barcelona are the most successful club in Spain"; "Barcelona is the only European club".

Why is there a difference if the club is the subject? BenficaNNossaPaixao (talk) 22:02, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Because Wikipedia has many different editors. Some live in international English speaking countries where groups are considered singular nouns (this group is) while some live in the United States (and to some extent, Canada) where groups are considered plural nouns (the group are). See WP:ENGVAR. I think I've fixed it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:19, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Don't forget to fix "Barcelona have won" (US) to "Barcelona has won" (UK). Also: their, have been, etc. BenficaNNossaPaixao (talk) 00:40, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't want to be a pain but "Barcelona ended their refusal of corporate sponsorship..." should "its" be used? I am interesting in this because S.L. Benfica is supposed to be in UK English and I'm trying to fix that. BenficaNNossaPaixao (talk) 00:59, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Not a pain, but I will point to WP:DIY at this point since I think you should be able to get past edit=autoconfirmed having edited for 18 months. If you can't, throw an edit protected here. Cheers. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:29, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

FC Barcelona's League Performance 1929 - 2013
Consider adding

— Preceding unsigned comment added by LRD NO (talk • contribs) 03:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Template or text?
I have seen templates used for as of templates. It makes sense to use them here. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FC_Barcelona&diff=601832515&oldid=601827503 Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:25, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * That would be either the as of or updated, the latter is more common in football-related articles. If there is no discussion, I will add on by 2 April. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:13, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2014
Mihaitalazarica (talk) 10:42, 17 April 2014 (UTC)I want to edit a part of team
 * Which part? Mattythewhite (talk) 10:50, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Mascherano's position
http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/staff/players/mascherano says midfielder. http://www.fcbarcelona.es/futbol/primer-equipo/plantilla/jugadores/mascherano says Centrocampista. Find a source to support defender. While he may play as a defender for his national team or has played defender recently, his club article should reflect his club's position for him. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:46, 19 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Mascherano played since 2011 as a center back. Look at these reports: (http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1734812.html), (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277/la-liga/2012/09/09/3365079/mascherano-playing-at-centre-back-for-barcelona-is-a-risk), (http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/974124/javier-mascherano:-i-didn't-expect-to-be-a-centre-back?cc=3888). Gringoladomenega (talk) 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I recognize that he plays defender for individual matches, but individual games do not change the club's preferred position for the player. I have seen teams where strikers play as midfielders and midfielders play as forwards. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:38, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Potentially every single football player can be moved around the field in different positions according to the coach's system, injuries or other needs. So, to avoid confusion, I think the correct move is to just go with what the official page says. Also, although he sometimes plays as a Central defender at Camp Nou, most of his career, since he played at Argentina, then Liverpool, and to this day at the national team, he plays as a defensive midfielder.Intruder007 (talk) 22:12, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Tone issues in lead
I've removed some issues with the tone in the lead, including phrases such as "all-conquering" and "racked up" which don't belong in an encyclopedia. Please feel free to discuss this edit (and the others like it) here, rather than engaging in an edit war. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:55, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FC_Barcelona&oldid=605432050&diff=prev I argue that "all conquering" is undue and far from neutral as it's not a direct quote. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:00, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2014
"Barcelona was ranked first in the 'All-Time Club World Ranking' by IFFHS, on 31 December 2009,[5]". Can someone please remove this line or verify the source? The source has no credibility and the 'All-Time Club World Rankings' currently show Real Madrid on top. Shoddy biased writing here.

159.92.9.7 (talk) 19:19, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The reference was verified when it was added. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:40, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2014
"and is also currently placed on top of the UEFA club rankings.[6]". This is not true. Real Madrid are the top club here. Please remove and put this into the Real Madrid page. See this source or the official webpage for credibility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_club_rankings#Club_coefficient). Thank you

159.92.9.7 (talk) 19:23, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/season=2013/index.html Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:40, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2014
FC Barcelona are no longer ranked as the top club in the UEFA rankings. FFS you guys no longer listen to edit requests? This is such a biased article.

91.125.210.42 (talk) 05:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/season=2013/index.html Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:40, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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Forbes' list of the most valuable football club Rankings as of 7 May 2014.
FC Barcelona is now the second richest club. Valued at $3.2bn after real madrid. So update the info in second paragraph of FC Barcelona. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes%27_list_of_the_most_valuable_football_clubs Itanmaysharma (talk) 18:43, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Update
Remove "It is the current Spanish football champion". 85.240.136.129 (talk) 17:57, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Runners-up (24) 85.240.136.129 (talk) 17:59, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2014
Marc Andre Ter Stegen is goalkeeper of barcelona now Valdes is no more in barcelona

HussainAiham123 (talk) 09:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:20, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The transfer window opens 1 July and so Ter Stegen is not on the roster until then although Valdes may have left due to his injury. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:36, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2014
In the interest of fairness and full transparency it should be noted under "History" that Francisco Franco twice received "Medallas de Oro" from Barcelona in 1967 and 1971 (http://masdeporte.as.com/masdeporte/2003/11/09/polideportivo/1068354880_850215.html)(http://www.libertaddigital.com/opinion/pedro-fernandez-barbadillo/franco-y-el-barca-69467/). Also, under the "Stadiums" section it should be noted that the building of Barcelona's new stadiums was only made possible by Francisco Franco. He forgave their debt on more than one occasion. (http://prouespeculacio.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Anteriors-requalificaccions-bar%C3%A7a.pdf)

99.70.92.196 (talk) 05:13, 4 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The closest thing to "fairness" would be WP:NPOV which advises us to present information in a neutral manner, which this article already seems to do. If you'd like to detail exactly the change which you would like to insert and exactly where in the article you would like to place it, someone can better judge whether the content is appropriate for the article, which is, after all, not about the Generalissimo. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 19:29, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2014
i will put the proper team in update the club when needed.

Shaychapman2014 (talk) 21:01, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 22:36, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * When the transfer window opens on 1 July, the proper team will be listed. Until then no changes need to be made. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:34, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2014
Please include new transfers such as that of Claudio Bravo in Barcelona

59.94.12.126 (talk) 10:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

❌ - as it clearly states above "When the transfer window opens on 1 July, the proper team will be listed. Until then no changes need to be made" - Arjayay (talk) 12:33, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2014
Please Add Beko as one of FC Barcelona's Sponsors, Thank You.

112.209.221.215 (talk) 08:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Even with a source I'm not sure it'll be done. Try opening a new section about the merits to include it. Sam Sailor Sing 09:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2014
Add Beko as one of the Shirt partners please it already official

121.54.32.145 (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 06:42, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2014
Please add Denis Suarez to first team loaned players because effective of 1 July 2014 he is a first team member. sources: http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20130822/futbol/liga-segunda-division/denis-suarez-barca-filial-manchester-city_54379650787.html, http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Su%C3%A1rez

89.146.145.196 (talk) 12:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done EoRdE6 (talk) 02:25, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2014
The following phrase is incorrect and should be changed. 'Barcelona is the most successful club in Spain, in terms of overall official titles won (81).' Real Madrid is the most successful club with 98 trophies to Barcelona's 78. Your own article on Wikipedia states that. Please click on the link contained within the phrase and it shows the trophy count with evidence as to why Barcelona's count is 78 and not 81. Thank you

91.125.228.107 (talk) 13:16, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The article here states " It has won 22 La Liga, 26 Copa del Rey, 11 Supercopa de España, 3 Copa Eva Duarte and 2 Copa de la Liga trophies, as well as being the record holder for the latter four competitions. In international club football, Barcelona has won four UEFA Champions League, a record four UEFA Cup Winners' Cup, four UEFA Super Cup, a record three Inter-Cities Fairs Cup and a record two FIFA Club World Cup trophies.". 22 + 26 + 11 + 3 + 2 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 3 + 2 = 81 The Real Madrid C.F. article says "Real Madrid has won a record 32 La Liga titles, 19 Copas del Rey, 9 Supercopas de España, 1 Copa Eva Duarte and 1 Copa de la Liga. Internationally it has won a record ten European Cup/UEFA Champions League titles and a joint record three Intercontinental Cups, as well as two UEFA Cups, and two UEFA Super Cups." 32 + 19 + 9 + 1 + 1 + 10 + 3 + 2 + 2 = 79. Arguments are made regarding the "worth" of Inter-Cities Fairs Cup because its format was not fully "open", but it doesn't negate the fact that FC Barcelona won the thing. However, terms like "most successful" are not generally helpful, and are in danger of being POV. It is probably best to state how many of each title a club has won, and if any of those numbers are records. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 13:47, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

81 is more than 79 the last I checked. The statement is clear and neutral. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:47, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2014
Official number of trophies won is 80, not 81 as it states. Please change the phrase 'in terms of overall official titles won (81)' in the introduction section to '.....(80)'. This discrepancy arises from the fact that Barcelona only won 2 Eva Duarte cups, unlike the 3 mentioned in the Honours section. The Eva Duarte cup was not official until 1947 and therefore, Barcelona's first Eva Duate cup is not recognised. Barcelona's very own Honours page makes note of this (http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/detail/card/honours-football) as does the Eva Duarte wikipedia page. Can you please make the necessary changes to reflect this through the article?

87.112.141.101 (talk) 15:41, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

❌ Someone did the math two sections above. 208.81.212.222 (talk) 19:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)