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Most International Titles / Most Successful Club in Spain
Barcelona is historically the most successful club in Spanish football, as well as being, jointly, the club with most International Titles in World football.

Here's why:

With 66 domestic titles and 86 overall (2nd best is Real Madrid C.F. with 62 domestic and 80 overall). It should be like other clubs' articles (FC Bayern Munich and Juventus F.C., that they're most successful in their respective countries). This is a fact, not an opinion. Also, along with Egypt's Al Ahly SC, Barcelona is the club with most trophies (20) in international competitions.

Here're two references:

1) RSSSF: http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/intcuprec.html

As seen here, Barca /Al-Ahly are first with total of (20), Real/Milan/Boca are second with (18).

2) FIFA (ESP): http://es.fifa.com/news/y=2009/m=3/news=-1040575.html

Listing all 86 "Principales Titulos: Main Titles". According to FIFA, the 3 Inter-Cities Fairs are considered the predecessor to UEFA Cup -which it is- that's what is wrote in the reference "Copa de Ferias (antigua Copa de la UEFA): (3) 1958, 1960, 1966."

Therefore, clearly, Barcelona has 86 OFFICIALLY recognized titles, 66 National and 20 International, which make them both most successful in spain and club with most International titles.

Further points I want to clarify:

-There's no measuring scale for a trophy, It's not like that for Champions leauge you take 5 points as a club and for Super Cup it is 0.23 Points!! Maybe we consider the meaning/length of the tournament, but a trophy IS a trophy.

-We're talking about "International Titles" here, not "Champions League Only-Titles" which logically directs to the quantity, the number, rather than the value. For example a team plays in Africa, won 4 CAF Champions League, and in Europe one won 4 also, you can't say that UEFA Champions League = 3 CAF Champions League. When you count International success, they both are equal in terms of titles won, despite difference in quality, which could also be found between Domestic League, Cup and Super Cup.

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Karim3adel (talk) 02:10, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you indeed. That's all lovely jubbley, but there is not a chance in hell will the expression "most successful club" meet the stringent requirement that comes with featured article status. First off what is "most successful"? Does more trophies mean "most successful"? Let's look at this case. The two biggest trophies are? The European Cup, and La Liga. Real Madrid are a long way ahead in both. Does winning...let's say four Fairs City Cups and four Cup Winners cups (both defunct) compare to two European Cups? Now I've seen various ranking systems where they give a value to each trophy (European Cup and domestic league (in this case la Liga) are the two highest ranked). The low level comps (glorified friendlies such as the European Super Cup) are given the least points. The problem with "most successful" is that it's not definitive...it's opinion, unless it's crystal clear...for example...won more European Cups, domestic titles, domestic cups, and trophies overall. I as a Liverpool fan have never gotten involved with our success in comparison to Man United...we have two more European Cups, they have two more League titles..while the totals are very close. The Madrid-Barca debate I can talk freely on as I have no preference either way (I've removed negative content from both teams, I've added positive content to both teams...maintaining accuracy is the goal). This issue on trophies cropped up in late 2013 in El Clasico...which I just about managed to solve after Madrid and Barca fans went back and forth at each other. The way it is written now I believe is the best...each individual trophy is addressed (Barca has won more Copa del Reys, more FIFA clubs etc.). Even international titles is a flaky tag....10 European Cups, or... four Fairs cups, four Cup winners cups and euro three Euro super cups (total 11)...I think we all know which is of far greater value. It's best not to lump all together, and instead focus on each individual trophy and give it a direct ranking. Carlos Rojas77 (talk) 01:08, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I can guarantee that I know UEFA club coefficient/ranking based on Competitions performances points, if that what you mean. Also, really?, I already said that value differs from trophy to the other!! I agree with you. But... If a team (Real Madrid) won 10 champions league, 5 of which are the first editions of the predecessor to the competition, are they of less value than the latter 5 because of how teams where picked or the number of participants were there?! Just NO. It was like a FIFA Club World Cup competition, yet they're counted 10 Champions League trophies. It is the same when saying overall International Trophies, International means champions league, super cup, uefa cup, uefa cup winners' cup, etc.. Real Madrid are the record winners of champions League, ONLY, that's absolutely right, but that does NOT mean that they have more INTERNATIONAL TROPHIES, it's not like I'm saying a biased opinion, it is what RSSSF rank, Barca/Al Ahly as Clubs with most trophies. It's like comparing Kuyt/Pirlo, let them be scoring 3/2 goals in champions league, and 0/5 in super cup, respectively, it is obvious that pirlo have more INTERNATIONAL goals (7) than kuyt in CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ONLY (3).


 * Same when saying "Most Successful Club in Spain", you tell me what success is? why does not Real Madrid have Super cups as many as Champions leagues (10), because they simply FAILED to win, other clubs win it, success is based on Titles I guess? As long as it is official first division title it counts, or not?! for example, domestically, Real Madrid is more successful particularly in the league, but Bracelona is more successful in any other domestic competition and not having 0 leagues either.. so you failed to win some and succeeded to win some, you won titles I couldn't win, you're more successful. simple as that.


 * I'm taking Real Madrid for example because you automatically compared with Madrid, nationally and internationally while you could have compared also with Milan or Boca Juniors, I got that you just won't add this because of Real Madrid fans particularly despite, sadly, this is true that Barca has more overall titles (=more success). also other articles like FC Bayern Munich and Juventus F.C. have the same thing included (Most Successful club). I'm absolutely surprised that RSSSF ranking is not enough of what I'm saying, especially you're neutral. Also what logic is that ranking most successful clubs in Spain, in the article (Football Records in Spain) and not here? while many links redirects there. Karim3adel (talk) 03:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * In short, "most successful" is an opinion, which is not suitable for Wikipedia. The competitions that a club has won should be listed, and if any of these totals are a record for the competition then that should also be noted. Things like "most overall trophies" also becomes problematic because different sources and editors consider different competitions in the counts. The Copa Eva Duarte is a perfect case in point for Spanish football. So, let's not talk about "most successful". Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 10:07, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * OK, I got it, I won't add something like this again, Thank you both for explaining. Karim3adel (talk) 05:18, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Edit Request
The opening paragraph should be amended to state FC Barceloa is tied with Real Madrid as the most valuable sports team in the world, per the May 2015 rankings cited in the linked article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dynothe2nd (talk • contribs) 03:28, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Edit request --The Kit 21 Febuary 2011
The kit section needs to be updated as it only mentions about the kit colours coming from Merchant Taylors Boys, not where this actually is. Merchant Taylors Boys school in a privately educated school that is located in Crosby, Liverpool, England. Socis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.64.15.58 (talk) 22:03, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

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Edit request - Value
The second paragraph in this article states that Barcelona is the "second most valuable sports team in the world, worth $3.56 billion". However, following the link shows recently updated stats indicating that it is now the fourth most valuable sports team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddivney (talk • contribs) 03:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Criticism after Messi conviction for tax fraud
In what section should we put the criticism of FC Barcelona for supporting convicted Messi for tax fraud? http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/lionel-messi-barcelona-jail-tax-fraud-a7128836.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.162.11 (talk) 21:06, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
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The first full time manager of this club was John Barrow

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Barcelona influence on the 2010 FIFA World Cup squad
I think the article should feature something about the influence of Barca on the Spanish team. 9 out of 23 players of the Spanish squad were Barcelona players as they played a crucial role during the tournament in which Iniesta scored the winning goal in the final game. Redman19 (talk) 09:23, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
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Never mind, the article already has a phrase mentioning it. Redman19 (talk) 10:05, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

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FC Barcelona Honors

Inter-Cities Fairs cup should be removed from FC Barcelona Honors Section. Firstly, Barcelona city won this cup which consisted one player from FC Espanyol and others from FC Barcelona, therefore, it can't be credited as a FC Barcelona trophy. And secondly, UEFA and FIFA doesn't recognize it as a major trophy, and therefore it should be removed from major trophy section Oldfriend2145 (talk) 18:52, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2018
add some more detail about how the team crest has changed.

The club was given the original crest when it was first created. Then in 1910 after Gamper saved the club from a crisis the team proposed a contest for a new club crest. The winner of this contest was Carles Comamala. After this the changes to crest were minimal. Ishaaqi (talk) 03:37, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
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the end
Fc Barcelona has gone bankrupted and all of the owners got killed by current players. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe hobo 5 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Add the Latin Cup to the honours table
The Latin Cup must be entered into honours table (worldwide honour) The 1948-49 season saw Barça win the Latin Cup, a competition organised by FIFA and the precursor to the European Cup. masoud.h1368 talkMasoud.h1368 (talk) 15:02, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Barça’s own website is not a good source. It’s not official. Latin Cup comes under the umbrella of other cup competitions that are not deemed major honours, and they are not listed. I wouldn’t include this one either. F8RIL (talk) 22:47, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

but here is official:copa latin also here is used for determination The Club of the Century of Masoud.h1368 (talk) 22:59, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That’s a Wikipedia page, that’s not a source. The second source is a mess. The Latin Cup is not a major honour, and neither is its predecessor the Mitropa Cup. See A.C. Milan honours, Real Madrid honours, only major honours. F8RIL (talk) 08:00, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

New Crest
Infobox needs to be updated with new crest. — Anakimi lambaste  21:44, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I might've jumped the gun a bit. After (if) it is approved. — Anakimi lambaste   19:41, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2018
175.100.8.91 (talk) 06:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 06:55, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2019
Vicheasambath (talk) 03:52, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. <b style="color:black">Nici</b><b style="color:purple">Vampire</b><b style="color:black">Heart</b> 00:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Laliga
Laliga champions 2018-2019 Angad11 (talk) 20:48, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Trophies won
There is a line that says that Barcelona won a joint-record 3 Club World Cups, but Real Madrid recently won a 4th, meaning they do not have a joint-record anymore

FaridEstefan (talk) 16:29, 9 May 2019 (UTC) Farid Estefan 5/9/19 12:29 PM

Introduction
There is a line that says that Barcelona won a joint-record 3 Club World Cups, but Real Madrid recently won a 4th, meaning they do not have a joint-record anymore

FaridEstefan (talk) 16:30, 9 May 2019 (UTC) Farid Estefan 5/9/19 12:29 PM

Multi-sport club
The article is currently too narrow in scope on the structure and history of FC Barcelona. The article describes FC Barcelona solely as a men's football club which is not true. FC Barcelona also includes the most successful basketball and handball teams in Europe. Admittedly, the football club is the largest element and namesake of the group, but the failure to even mention that FC Barcelona is a multi-sport club is a pretty bad omission for a featured article.

Can anyone create a section covering the wider FC Barcelona? The featured Spanish and German versions of this article show a good approach to this content. SFB 21:22, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2019
41.115.14.76 (talk) 09:13, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Matthew hk (talk) 09:15, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2020
Barcelona signed 2 new players and I want to write this info in the page. 47.15.128.137 (talk) 11:50, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 13:57, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Out on loan
The "out on loan" section includes many players that have never played or been part of the senior squad, hence should be removed (there are many other players in the youth system who are out on loan, but have not been included there).

The only actual players from the senior squad are...

- Marlon Santos (on loan to Nice until 30 June 2019)

- Sergi Samper (on loan to Las Palmas until 30 June 2018) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trantor2312 (talk • contribs) 10:32 31 August 2017 (UTC)


 * we included all professional footballer of Barcelona . It is not encyclopedic and original research to tell which one is first team loanee and which one is not. Matthew hk (talk) 13:47, 24 January 2018‎ (UTC)

Please we Barca fans around the world need Neymar and L. Martinez, and if possible Upamecano or Luis Felipe. Younggod Kwakye (talk) 07:52, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Notable supporters?
Hi all,

I was wondering if we could/should do a section on their notable supporters? It would include people like Kobe Bryant (may he rest in peace), Shaqira, Salvador Dali, Jose Carreras, Ranbir Kapoor etc. What do you all think? Thanks. --EtaPravda (talk) 16:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi EtaPravda, I think that'd be quite cool. Perhaps we could do this with several other football clubs too! Where do you think you'll put it (more out of curiosity than anything else?!--Choicom (talk) 12:40, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2020
In the overall section, it lists FC Bayern Munich as the president. 90.222.88.109 (talk) 21:34, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I just removed an edit saying Barça is fully owned by Bayern. The edits will be quickly cleared away, so I don't think you have to worry about it. I'm going to apply for a one day extended protection edit protection to stop the trolls from editing this. TheKaloo (talk) 00:52, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Done Could've be a mistake from an editor. - hako9 (talk) 10:56, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2021
Change UEFA Club ranking from second position to fourth position.

The article currently states, " and currently occupies the second position on the UEFA club rankings. " which is no longer correct as they've moved to 4th position. Eichos (talk) 08:52, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for the source. &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 08:30, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Barca New Home kit released 2021/22
The code of the home kit is _fcbarcelona2122 and the types number on the parts is 000080 2600:6C52:7900:ECE0:EB:EC12:F55B:27BE (talk) 18:58, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Add on the Kits and Crest
Can you add on the “Club Crest” that says The club used Club Crest only during the 2021–22. JoseNike (talk) 09:28, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Bad finances
It seems quite clear, even from a vantage point quite distanced from Barcelona that their finances are very bad, not to say disastrous. In this ESPN news item (ESPN being an America focused media outlet) it's said that debt stands "at almost €1.2 billion,", that a "€525m loan from Goldman Sachs" is needed to pay debts and that Messi might not be able to stay for financial reasons. The "Ownership and finances" section however reads like an excerpt from a Barcelona ad brochure! This is shocking. To begin with a POV tag might be in order because the information is currently blatantly misleading. --Jabbi (talk) 21:07, 21 June 2021 (UTC).

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2021
Player positions are incorrect, for example Antoine Griezman should be FW not GK. 2A00:23C5:EC86:1001:6925:36B:5FFD:E1F8 (talk) 01:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Under "Current Squad" it says that Antoine is FW. Please clarify what you are asking to change.  RudolfRed (talk) 03:41, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2021
the catalonian club named FC barcelona is worth

-1b€ answered 5.194.206.233 (talk) 20:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Sirdog9002 (talk) 20:15, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

FC Barcelona Third/UCL code color

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FC Barcelona released 2021/22 Third kit
The new Barca third kit released today which is only wear in Champions League, we can’t find the number or code for the third kit. JoseNike (talk) 19:56, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

The kit deserves to be the new away kit for barcelona because it was made for UCL but barcelona have crashed out of the competition Maxsoa 810 (talk) 18:48, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Featured article review needed
This 2010 promotion to FA has not been maintained to standard since the FAC nominator retired. The article should be brought to WP:WIAFA standard or submitted to WP:FAR. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  14:50, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * There is uncited text.
 * There is considerable MOS:SANDWICHing due to images being chunked in incorrectly that affect the layout and professional look of the article.
 * There are incomplete citations.
 * Further reading needs to be pruned. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  03:19, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 3 April 2022
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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Calidum 05:41, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

FC Barcelona → FC Barcelona (football) – This is not strictly Wikipedia about football, so it should not promote the football section above the others (and FCB also has, for example, a beach soccer section - also called FC Barcelona). Accordingly, the football section should be specified in parentheses. Soorma221 (talk) 08:17, 3 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Strong oppose as per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This team is definitely the most prominent one. |FC_Barcelona_(beach_soccer)|FC_Barcelona_(youth)|FC_Barcelona_B|FC_Barcelona_Femen%C3%AD Pageviews also show this.<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#FF8C00; text-shadow:skyblue 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em; font-weight:bold">Kpddg  (talk)  02:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose the football team is a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This is not a "football bias" like the nominator claims, but it's entirely clear that the football team is what almost everyone is looking before, because they're the most famous of the teams, and the one covered most in news stories. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 18:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose clear PRIMARYTOPIC. GiantSnowman 18:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per previous (PRIMARYTOPIC, by a long way). Nampa DC (talk) 13:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Confused Is this request for every team with multiple sections or just about FC Barcelona? La Fuzion  ( K lo K ) 17:02, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose, the football club is clearly PRIMARY.--Ortizesp (talk) 01:38, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose redundant disambiguation for page which is very clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. --SuperJew (talk) 07:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 100% oppose based on reasons above, but we do have Galatasaray S.K. as a general sports page instead of the senior men's version. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 13:31, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Barcelona had taken a record 7 times UEFA championship.
B 37.110.214.129 (talk) 17:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

changed name from bacra b to Barcelona Atlètic can someone please update it? thanks
changed name from bacra b to Barcelona Atlètic can someone please update it? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.21.235.188 (talk) 20:34, 22 June 2022 (UTC) also lazar Lazar Carević transferred to a different club — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.21.235.188 (talk) 14:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:13, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

thank you for answering:

link to change the name: https://www.fcbarcelona.es/es/futbol/barca-b/noticias/2637749/el-filial-volvera-a-llamarse-barca-atletic

link to the player transferred https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/football/barca-b/news/2648779/lazar-carevic-transferred-to-vojvodina — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.21.235.188 (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: Please do not add additional edit request templates, the request is currently open and someone with time and understanding of the topic will answer the request, it may take some time but it will be answered. Thanks, Terasail [✉️] 14:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you wanted to change the mention of Barca B under "See Also"; that has been updated. The player name change is already done. Aaron Liu (talk) 09:19, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Necessary references
As per the recent edits by User:Vicpumu, I'm not convinced the "Current squad" listing maintains an accurate representation according the sole source of the section. I added a temporary source regarding the transfer of Lewandowski, and another user edited the section to match the only other source, regarding what is shown in Barcelona's official squad page (https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/football/first-team/players). I don't think it is an accurate portrayal to list players not given on the sole source, and given the ones that are not listed on said page but are indeed at the club, additional sources should be offered until updated. Noroftheair (talk) 09:06, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

FC Barcelona website contains several errors. Players like Iñaki Peña, Pjanić and Álex Collado still under contract first-team. Vicpumu (talk) 12:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Where is Raphinha in this source? Vicpumu (talk) 18:32, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Exactly. We know these players are under contract with Barcelona but we need additional citations to prove such. Don't remove them by calling them unnecessary Noroftheair (talk) 21:55, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

FC Barcelona official players source
The official web source of the Barcelona first-team squad contains a lot of errors and problems of mantenaince. Players like Raphinha (with contract signed a few days ago after being official transferred), Iñaki Peña, Pjanić and Collado don’t appear and have a current contract. The website does not have truthful information in certain cases. Vicpumu (talk) 18:46, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Reliance on WP:PRIMARY is the issue here. Their Transfer Market news page is slightly better formatted for indicating the status of transfers, but even then there are going to be issues with squad numbers etc until the formal registration. These issues are also reflected on other reliable sources such as SkySports. We should not be so obsessed with updating temporary numbers of players etc until formal announcements are made otherwise it just becomes an edit war. Koncorde (talk) 17:51, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

ADDITION OF THE RESERVE TEAM
It would be interesting add reserve team players under the squad of first team players as it was a few months ago. What do you think? Vicpumu (talk) 23:05, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Heads up that I removed the section because the season hasn't started officially. It's something that's been done for the past few seasons. I didn't just remove it for no reason. Usually the procedure is that once La Liga starts and there are reserve players included in the matchday squad lists, they're added, and as the season goes on more are added as more players are called up for matches. It's not gone permanently Oblow14 (talk) 18:16, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Oblow14,

I agree with your editing criteria. As reserve players participate, they will be added.

Thanks. Vicpumu (talk) 23:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Inaki Pena
Inaki Pena new number is 13. 2601:201:200:B7E0:39DF:F364:64CC:C3AD (talk) 16:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a source to support this change? Mattythewhite (talk) 16:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

DEBATE ON A MORE ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF FC BARCELONA
Hello Editors of FC Barcelona page;

As we all know, FC Barcelona is not just a football club. It is a professional multi-sport entity and this is reflected in its official statutes (updated in 2021) in the article number 4:

The definition for FC Barcelona on this wikipedia page defines it as a football club when it is more than just a club dedicated to the promotion of football as specified in the referenced article.

I would also like to show what it says in article 1 of FC Barcelona's official statutes:

According to article 1, it is well specified that FC Barcelona is a private sports (not only football) association for this reason, I think it is appropriate that we should modify the current definition.

PROPOSAL (Based on the description used by FC Bayern Munich, it is also a multi-sport club) + Addition of cite:

WHAT DO YOU THINK? Vicpumu (talk) 00:14, 27 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello. I find this editing proposal very interesting. As a member (soci) of Barça, I can say that Fc Barcelona is not just a football club. And the current definition does not reflect what its statutes include and what it represents for the city of Barcelona and Catalonia. Barça is more than a club also because of its multi-sport nature. Without this premise, it would not have the identity it represents today. I want this edition to be done as soon as possible. 62.57.104.142 (talk) 00:02, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I totally agree with the proposal. I have to say that if it were up to me, I would make a general page and a specific one for the men's football team. 185.124.28.5 (talk) 15:25, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I also agree with the proposal. Dalí&#39;s Mustache (talk) 00:40, 31 August 2022 (UTC) This is a sock of the OP,and it seems likely the IP editors are too. Spike &#39;em (talk) 08:40, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the proposal. "This article is about the men's football team". This article focuses on one section of the wider sports club devoted to the men's association football team, not the wider sports club itself. If we defined the subject of this article as a "multi-sports club" we may then have to explain all the different sections belonging to that club even though it is an article on "the men's football team". However, I do think that the paragraph still needs to change for those same reasons and I instead propose that " football club " is changed to "  football team " because, as you rightfully point out, it is inaccurate to describe it as a football club, and this article is about the men's football section (i.e. team not club). In the FC Barcelona Femení article, it is already (correctly) described as a "football team" not a "football club" unlike this article on the men's team (which because of the nature of male dominance in football is confusingly just referred to as FC Barcelona). In the same sense, I believe the FC Barcelona Bàsquet article should say "basketball team" not "basketball club" as it does now.
 * On a separate but related note, I do think that it would be a good idea to create an article on the wider FC Barcelona (sports club) that could define FC Barcelona as a multi-sports club, talk more about Articles 1 and 4, and detail all its related sections such as this article on the men's football team, the women's team (FC Barcelona Femení), basketball (FC Barcelona Bàsquet), and etc. Furthermore, it could then be used in the Template:About hatnote at the top of this article: "For the wider multi–sports club, see FC Barcelona (sports club)" and/or mentioned in the header.  JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 02:56, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Vicpumu (talk) 00:42, 27 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Barcelona are primarily known for their football club. No objection to someone (not a sock) creating FC Barcelona (sports club) for the general sports club (or articles for specific other sports that have notable FC Barcelona clubs), but the football team is the primary topic. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:57, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree with Joseph. PRIMARY here is the footballing entity. Koncorde (talk) 12:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Help me with a question
Who owns fcb StrangerThanNetflix (talk) 08:57, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @StrangerThanNetflix: club members Masoud.h1368 (talk) 06:11, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Who are the club members StrangerThanNetflix (talk) 08:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Title
FC Barcelona won 14 Spanish Supercup. Xavi's First Title as a Manager of FC Barcelona in 2023. 103.127.21.11 (talk) 21:58, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Question regarding valuation?
It's currently stated "It is the fourth-most valuable sports team in the world" however that seems to be incorrect. There are at least a dozen NFL teams alone that are higher than the valuation listed. It's likely the statement should read "It is the fourth-most valuable football club in the world". 100.16.209.184 (talk) 19:28, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Corruption paying referees
the Spanish prosecutor has discovered Barcelona has paid 7.1 € millions in the last 18 years to the referees vice-president. During this period Barcelona won 20 titles. During 2 years no penalties were marked against Barcelona. During this period Real Madrid won more European titles than national titles. 77.229.90.108 (talk) 12:26, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2023
2405:201:F00B:CB3A:A5E4:4CC3:F88D:38BC (talk) 10:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Captain of FC Barcelona is not Lionel Messi and it is Sergio busquets please make a change to it
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Actualcpscm (talk) 10:25, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2023
Change Captain Name because Lionel Messi is contracted to another club PSG from Ligue 1 Kamal Sehgal 10 (talk) 18:25, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 19:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * he means that the captain isn't messi anymore 2600:1700:AA10:76D0:DCA2:756B:8696:6E41 (talk) 21:26, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Barca won laliga
Seeing the scoreline vs Español, Barcelona F.C won Laliga 2001:861:514F:B820:E986:1ED9:57C4:10DC (talk) 20:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)