Talk:FC Metal Kharkiv

Merger proposal
I propose to merge FC Metal Kharkiv into FC Metalist Kharkiv. I think that the content in the Metal Kharkiv article can easily be explained in the context of Metalist Kharkiv, and the Metalist Kharkiv article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Metal Kharkiv will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. Since FC Metal Kharkiv is assuming the name of the former club FC Metalist Kharkiv. ,, , , , , ,, Please add your thoughts and include any other individuals who would be interested within the Ukrainian Football and WP:Footy Projects. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 14:45, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Please can you explain the backstory? From what the articles say, FC Metalist Kharkiv ("Club 1") was founded in 1925 but disbanded in 2016. Then FC Metal Kharkiv ("Club 2") was founded in 2020 as a successor club (English example is Bury F.C. → Bury A.F.C., or Macclesfield Town F.C. → Macclesfield F.C. etc.). Then, Club 2 changed its name to that of Club 1 and inherited the history of the club? Was that an official decision made by the Ukrainian FA? If so, I agree to merge the articles - that is what happened with English club Darlington F.C., whose successor club became known as Darlington 1883 and had a separate Wikipedia article, before footballing officials essentially merged the two clubs into one, and so we did the same with the Wikipedia articles. GiantSnowman 15:03, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , sure! The new club FC Metal Kharkiv was formed by many of those who were originally involved with FC Metalist Kharkiv. However, after the team became bankrupt in 2016 and was expelled by the Football Federation of Ukraine any formation of the phoenix team could not register the team with the exact same name. There is a 5 year period where the name cannot exist. Hence, the earliest renewal of a team in Kharkiv was by a different consortium which created a team of the name of FC Metalist 1925 Kharkiv. This team has progress through the different pyramid levels in Ukraine and will be competing in the Premier League for the first time this coming season. The original owners not to be out done, created another team in 2019 under the name of FC Metal Kharkiv. Since the 5 year naming limitation is over the original owners have quickly gone and applied to rename their club as FC Metalist Kharkiv. Some of the original owners are not involved. Similar thing happened last season with FC Obolon Kyiv being renamed from FC Obolon-Brovar Kyiv. After their reformation and a period of 5 or so years they revert to their original name. We merged those articles as well. If anyone else from the Ukrainian Football Project has more to add please do. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 16:21, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , I am not familiar with this 5 year period restrictions. Where did you get this from? I know that Krasnikov who created FC Metal Kharkiv was barred from football by the UAF for 5 years due to game fixing (Metalist Kharkiv faces Champions League expulsion, ...The official, Yevhen Krasnikov, was implicated in fixing an April 2008 league match against Karpaty Lviv...). Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:13, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , I saw this a few years ago, though I can't find it. It was in the statues of either the PFL or FFU, or else it was in a section about business in Ukraine on a government webpage. When I finally will find it I'll post it. But it makes clear sense why you don't see revived phoenix clubs with the same names immediately after reformation. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 17:16, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , yes, there was a session of the UAF Executive Committee on 16 June 2021 which approved official renaming of Metal Kharkiv to Metalist along with several other technical name changes for other clubs. The new president Oleksandr Yaroslavskyi also opened a big propaganda campaign claiming that his Metalist is the authentic club, while FC Metalist 1925 Kharkiv is fake (despite that one of founders is Volodymyr Linke). Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Support proposition on merging the article. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:06, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Support; Reliable source So Foot (it has its own French Wikipedia article, so I assume it is a respectable French football magazine ) has confirmed the UAF Executive Committee decision of 16 June 2021 (which approved official renaming of Metal Kharkiv to Metalist) that was mentioned by Aleksandr Grigoryev here above. —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  18:29, 30 June 2021 (UTC)