Talk:FIFA 08/Archive 1

Why?
isn't Iran's team included in the fifa series they are definitely qualified - some national teams in the game didnt even qualify for the world cup —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.138.118 (talk) 03:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Even Japan isn't in. Perhaps they have only put teams who have gained some kind of success, even those reaching the quarter-finals of, perhaps, the World Cup. Possibly China is in because it hosted the 2008 Olympics.

Up and over for a six! (talk) 09:46, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Kits
The only mistake the developers have made is with Liverpool FC, the home kits coller is the wrong shape, and on the third kit, the printing on the back on the shirt is a bright blue, where as it is actually white. making it look very wierd, almost like a glitch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.248.5 (talk) 15:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

The sleeves on the Arsenal home are wrong, the white extends too long.

Stadiums
I like the soundtrack of the FIFA games as much as the next guy, but if we're going to have a list with flags (lol, given the debate on this page) of every song included on the soundtrack, then I think we should have a list of the stadiums included as well. I mean this is a video game and not a world music album last I checked... I would do it myself, but I live in the States and so don't have the game as of yet. 71.36.181.218 22:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC) I agree with the above, a list of stadiums would be a nice addition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.108.36 (talk) 19:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC) :Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. In other words, if the article would not benefit from a list of stadiums, is it really needed? Also next time, please sign your comments like this: ~ and add new messages at the bottom of the page.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 20:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC) Comment struck. See below.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 20:19, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

A list of stadiums is as much if not indescribably more relevant to the article than the soundtrack. After all, as I said before, its a game not a world music album. If the leagues and teams are relevant and the features of the game are relevant then the stadiums are relevant and worth including, especially because they are added to with each instalment of the game, much like the list of leagues and teams available to be played. It adds value to the article because of this progression from one title to the next. Again, if you view this to be not worthy of inclusion in the article then please justify the inclusion of the detailed soundtrack, flags and all. 71.36.186.23 01:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have write on the italian wikipedia the stadiums, if you want you can copy it by there. Bye, -- Lãzîalë93  10:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

The older versions of this page should be retained. Information such as clubs, stadia lists, teams etc are very important and improve the page alot. Why was all this information originally removed? CK10 (talk) 06:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

FIFA 08 / 09
Why have somebody edited the commentators? We now that it is Martin Tyler and Andy Gray for Next-Gen, and Clive Tyldesley and Mark Lawrenson on Current-Gen. Why has somebody edited that? I've edited back again.

why cant you edit the fifa 08 page!? I put the spanish commentators and english ones but some stupid guy or someone deleted what i put!I had put,: - english commentators for current gen:Clive Tydsley & Andy gray for next gen:Martin Tyler & Andy gray. Spanish or mexican commentators For both generations:Pablo Ramirez & Jesus Bracamontes.WEll that stupid dude erased what i wrote and put only the anglish commentators and I am Very Mad and i hope wikipedia puts what i wrote back!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.67.158.200 (talk • contribs) 20:58, August 13, 2007 (UTC)
 * Please provide a reference for this, as right now, the current text will shortly be deleted because it's unreferenced. // laughing man 00:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello!!! Can u make a page 4 Fifa 09??? When iz Fifa 08 gonna be released??? The Previous unsigned comment was added by 60.229.39.72


 * To cut the answer short, no, it is way to early to start the FIFA 09 page, the reason this page exists is because we know things about FIFA 08, we know nothing about FIFA 09 except it follows FIFA 08. The release date will be on the article when it is known Chaza93 15:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

who is the f***nut who replaced ronaldinho on the covers bit with archie thompson? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nic Car Bel (talk • contribs) June 17, 2007 00:25 (UTC)

In the Gameplay section, 'infinite' should be changed to 'almost infinite' to match the referenced article as well as reality. I'd do it myself, but the page isn't editable by me.

The Commentators
DOes the US version of fifa 08 has the spanish commentators option??????' please answer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.92.7.224 (talk) 16:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Why have somebody edited the commentators? We know that it is Martin Tyler and Andy Gray for Next-Gen, and Clive Tyldesley and Mark Lawrenson on Current-Gen. Why has somebody edited that? I've edited back again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wannebo (talk • contribs) 15:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * How do you know who the commentators are? I've gone ahead and tagged it with . Everything on Wikipedia needs a source. So, if you can find a reliable  source for the names of the commentators, go ahead and add it. As for why the section got edited, your guess is as good as mine. NA SC AR Fan 24 (user&bull;talk) 15:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

i just want to say derry city are diplayed in wikipedia's fifa 08 section as being from nothern ireland this is incorrect and they are in the eirecom league of ireland as a matter of fact —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.159.183 (talk) 16:34, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. Derry is in NI, but they play in the FAI League, hence the footnote.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 16:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I want to know if you can switch to spanish commentators in the U.S, and if yes who are they? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.92.7.224 (talk) 16:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't need every piece of information about the game in the article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. As for who they are, I don't know as I don't have the game.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 16:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The three new leagues
The three new leagues have already been confirmed and the article is the offical fifa 08 news site. It will be the FAI League (Ireland), A-League(Australia and New Zealand) and the Gambrinus League(Czech Republic). The URL is http://www.fifa2008news.com/breaking-news-the-last-fifa-08-leagues-confirmed.htm#more-82

I'm am just saying this, but a person who knows an ea technician said that the hyundai a-league will be featured in fifa 08... and there is some speculation about the russian premier league if u can add this information the fifa 08 page i would be very grateful, so the people's minds are at rest..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.7.175 (talk • contribs) 08:49, June 27, 2007 Great Russian Primier, then we can finnaly see Fatih Tekke paly because he plays fotr Saint Petersburg, BUT he is still on the Turkish international team. It's really confusing.
 * On Wikipedia, we need reliable sources in order to add information into the article. This is an encyclopedia, and Wikipedia is not supposed to be a "crystal ball".  Although you might be correct, we need to wait until the leagues are published somewhere before we update the article, it already states that only 1 of the 3 new leagues have been officially announced, the rest is all speculation right now. // laughing man 12:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Per Laughing man Wikipedia is not a place of speculation and Rumours, we need more concrete evidenceas we have with the Ireland League, sorry we dont make the rules  CHAZA93    Talk    Contribs   18:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope that the Scottish First Division is added. ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | [mailto:nathan@simpedia.co.uk Email]| 19:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It is you dumbass!!!

It has been confirmed by ea that the hyundai a-league will be featured in fifa 08 so plz put it on wikipedia.


 * The A-League and Czech Gambrinus Liga have been confirmed on the official FIFA 08 YouTube site. Added. The Frederick 09:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'm looking around trying to find where it is confirmed that the A-League is going to be in FIFA 08, but i cannot find it. Can you please provide a link to confirm it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hicksy09 (talk • contribs) 00:32, July 1, 2007 (UTC) Thanks.
 * It's in the external links section of this page. Go get it. The Frederick 06:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not confirmed officially. Please provide a reliable source if possible please, otherwise, we should remove it until it officially announced. // laughing man 07:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering what about the Greek Super League. There was heavy speculation that the league would make it onto FIFA 08 but I am hearing that no one gave it a thought and EA put the Irish League, Australian league and either the Russian league or the Czech league. Whats the deal? Why doesn't anybody want the Greek Super League in there.


 * If EA doesn't give an answer, there's little we can tell you. I was also thinking the Greek Super League was in, specially due to all their "Rest of the World" teams. I've also heard the Australian league is in, along with the Czech league. There is no confirmed resource, and that's exactly what we need. I personally hope the Copa Libertadores is now in the game. MarshalN20 00:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, Someone has added another 2 leagues without adding a source. I beleive one they added is the Argentinian League, and the other may be the Mexican Div 2 (not 100% sure). Can a source please be added, or the leagues that were added removed? Thanks alot guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hicksy09 (talk • contribs) 02:05, July 9, 2007 (UTC)
 * Removed, thanks for the heads up. // laughing man 05:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone know roughly how long before release date EA Sports announced the full set of leagues for FIFA 07? I've been hanging out to see if the A-League is going to be in this years game :P. Cheers Hicksy09 19:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not really sure, but the E3 video game conference is going on this week where the industry shows off all the upcoming games, so I'm expecting we'll be having much more solid information on this game by end of the week on most of the major video game sites after EA Sports does it presentation. I'm not sure what the schedule is though, maybe someone else can fill us in. // laughing man 20:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah great, I totally forgot about E3. I read that FIFA 08 was going to be one of the games EA are showing, so as you said, there should be alot more info available then. ThanksHicksy09 20:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone should delete any reference to the Northern Irish League as this isn't present in the game. There are three new leagues of which the Eircom league is the only one which has been officially released. I work on the game so can highlight other errors if people would like? Cheers VancouverBlade 23:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The A-League, Greek league, and one or two others have been added again without providing a reference.... please provide references while adding things, or remove them. Thanks guys Hicksy09 05:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

is this a good enough reference for the new leagues? http://youtube.com/user/08FIFA08


 * To my knowledge no, and i think someone tried to use it as a reference a month or two ago. And i have also looked on that youtube site, and the guy who runs it has denied having any links to EA Sports at all in comments he has made on his page. So in my opinion it is not a reliable source. Hicksy09 09:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

what leagues are missing off fifa 08 plz write your response below plz..

A-league CONFIRMED here http://www.a-league.com.au/default.aspx?s=hal_newsdisplay&id=18867

Fritzxer 14:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

why is it always bad new leagues?

Miis?
Can somebody please edit the Wii section? As of now it sounds as though Miis will be the only thing used in the game... while the Mii article claims they're just for the mini games. Please either clarify or source this :-) -- MichiganCharms 17:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

it has been confirmed the three new leagues for fifa 08 i have copied a link to a website which confirms it..[] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.38.161 (talk • contribs)
 * "Sweet Patch" is not a reliable source. // laughing man 02:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

i woould add omsthing to add to my excitment about a-leage getting added to fifa 08 ht =  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.38.161 (talk • contribs)

url to this: http://footballcommunity.ea.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51964
 * an EA Mod has confirmed that EA SPORTS confirmed the addition of the Czech Gambrinus Liga!!** Please update confirmed Leagues.

Something Wrong with the Article
I don't know if it's just my computer, but the complete article looks crazy. Everything is out of place, and it desperately needs a fixing. I would do it myself, but I really don't know too well this editor thing, and I don't want to mess it up anymore. Like I said, it could just be my computer, although I highly doubt it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarshalN20 (talk • contribs) 19:59, July 5, 2007
 * It looks like an anon broke it -- how does it look now? // laughing man 20:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Much better, thank you very much. MarshalN20 00:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure why, but someone keep editing the article, removing information, deleting external links and posting dead links.

--Dennisbp 07:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Realease Date?
Is it September 29 or October 9? I doubt that the release and US release are that far apart. -MichiganCharms 17:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Septemer 28 is the global release date. This is confirmed by EA Sports. --Dennisbp 07:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Release date hasn't been confirmed yet; the current date is Fall/Autumn 2007. VancouverBlade 23:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it has not been confirmed, if it has, please provide a link. // laughing man 02:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Link and confirmation is provided Dennisbp 20:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The link provided to ta not a reliable source. If it was in fact confirmed, it should be very easy to find an official press release about it. // laughing man 21:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

That's fair enough laughing man ;) Perhaps you can also tell me who keeps deleting links in the article?83.94.138.94 22:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If you are referring to the external links to blogs that you keep re-adding, they are not appropriate links for the article. Please review External links.// laughing man 22:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure its a blog. As far as I can see its a unique resource beyond what the article features and the author seems to have a connection with EA Sports. I see press releases, interviews, demos and similar articles. I fail to see why that doesn't belong in External Links according to the first two bullets in Link Normally To Avoid ;) If a link to a Filefront server with a single video is valid, then surely this site is too :-) Dennisbp 13:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it's clearly a blog or personal website, which can easy be determined by the large amounts of advertising. An official site would not requests contributions to "Help me buy a Wii".  It seems to me that you own this website and at the moment are very close to spamming.  Please stop adding the blog link to this article. // laughing man 14:53, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

As I read the rules they say personal pages/blogs. As I see fifa2008news.com it contains several facts that belongs in the article, exactl as fifplay.com doesn't contain any information on fifa 2008 at all, except for one interview. The site doesn't require any one to click the ads in order to read the content and if you read the text completely it says My wife won't let me buy a Wii ;). Wiki is about useful information and I think that site offers a lot of information that can't be found in the wiki article. If you can argue that it doesn't then by all means you are right, but until then the link belongs there :-) The interview with Tim Tschirner adds something that isn't mentioned in the wiki article ;)Dennisbp 22:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

October 6, 2007 is the release date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.66.201 (talk) 17:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

'''Is the Australian release date of 27th September on 360 Confirmed??? ... on the ea website it says october''' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.12.144.21 (talk) 00:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Big Cover
Sorry about that is there anyway I could decrease the size??? Also how can I copyright it?Mets4life 03:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Ulster Banner beside FAI league
why is the former Executive Committee of the Privy Council of Northern Ireland flag being used in the article?--Vintagekits 18:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Because when I added the official flag of Northern Ireland you reverted it. There is no reason to remove it, it accurately represents the league as having a club in Northern Ireland. -MichiganCharms 00:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * But this a Irish Football League, not a British of Northern Ireland league, so neither of those flags is correct.--padraig 00:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok then. Please also remove the flags of Monaco, Canada and Wales from the leagues which they appear. Please stop pushing a political POV, the flag is there because (1.) it's standard practice on multiple country leagues and (2.) it represents fact. Why shouldn't this article reflect the situation that a team from another country plays in that league? You're argument is based on nothing but your own personal POV. when Derry ceases to be in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or Derry City FC stops playing in the FAI then you will have just cause for the removal of the British/ Northern Irish flag. -MichiganCharms 06:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * By all means put in an agreed symbol that represents Northern Ireland, but that hasnt been the flag of northern ireland for over 30 year. Alsoplease do not accuse others of being POV pushers when they raise genuine and legitimate concerns. thank you.--Vintagekits 07:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The Union Flag is, by law, the flag of Northern Ireland. When that was used, you yourself removed it. If I believe you have an agenda it is because that is what you have shown me in this situation. -MichiganCharms 08:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Some people clearly no nothing about football. The NI flag should not be used next to anything to do with the FAI, that is the Association created by southerners after partition.  The IFA however, which runs both the Northern Ireland international squad and Irish League football, commonly uses the NI flag to denote NI as a specific, and in football terms, independent region of the UK.  The flag is appropriate for use everywhere, but there is no argument against it's use here.Traditional unionist 09:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, we agree, if it was to use beside the Northern Ireland team or the IFA then I would support it as (from looking at there website) both FIFA and UEFA use the Ulster Banner to denote the IFA.--Vintagekits 10:23, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I am afraid you're both missing/ changing the point. Certainly the Football League is not the FIFA sanctioned top league for Wales. Yet Welsh flags are present because there are Welsh clubs. Why should the FAI League be any different? I'm not proposing the FAI is an inclusive body... just the league. If the NI flag dfoesn't belong then also remove the flags of Wales, Monaco and Canada for this and every prior FIFA series article that includes because you'd be changing the precedent. -MichiganCharms 17:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No actually you are missing the point - 1. it is not the Flag of Northern Ireland it is the Ulster banner it does not represent Northern Ireland outside of limited sporting contexts. 2. The Ulster banner can be used to represent Northern Ireland if it is in relation to their soccer team. Now on which basis are you proposing that the Ulster banner is used here??--Vintagekits 18:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Answer this question: Why is the flag of Canada on this page? Once you've answered that and successfully proved it shouldn't be, I'll stop asserting Northern Ireland should be represented. - MichiganCharms 18:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That is irrelevant to my question. Are you using the Ulster banner to represent the league that Derry City is in of the country that the club is situated in?--Vintagekits 18:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The country, the league is obviously the one of Ireland. And you'll see that it is relevant to this because in all similar cases since FIFA 05 two flags have been in use. -MichiganCharms 18:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, now we are getting somewhere. We are agreed that Ulster banner should not be used to represent the FAI, but you are saying that the Ulster banner is used to represent the county Northenr Ireland because Derry city is in Northern Ireland, is that right?--Vintagekits 18:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

No, the Union Flag should. Though, if someone finds that objectionable the UB could be used as this is a football context and seeing as the UB is actually used within the game to represent NI. - MichiganCharms 18:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No what? can you please be more specific or else we can never resolve this! 1. The Union Flag does not represent Northern Ireland specifically, it represent Northern Ireland as a constituant of the United Kingdom, it would be like using the EU flag to represent Ireland as it is a constituant of that also. 2. Using the Union Flag would be inconsistant as the Union Flag is not used to represent other constituant of the United Kingdom like England/Wales/Scotland so it should not be used for Northenr ireland either, 3. It is misleading and suggests that there are teams from each of the consituants of the United Kingdom are represented in the FAI League, which is not true. 4. I've forgotten my forth point now.--Vintagekits 18:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No the Ulster Banner's use should be restricted as it is extra legal anymore. I agree the Union Flag is misleading, bu barring use of an all Ireland flag (also misleading) I dont see how we could accurately reflect the situation without use of the Ulster Banner. - MichiganCharms 18:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So you are agreeing that the UF is misleading. The Ulster banner is highly conrovertial and is not recognised by much of its population - also there is no current concensus to use the Ulster banner to represent Northern Ireland because of its historic and controvertial nature, please respect that. If you want to agree on a neutral symbl to represent NI (e.g. the NI Assembly logo, or the outline of NI) then I would happy to assist in that discussion but for the above reasons neither the UB or UF should be used here. --Vintagekits 18:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I must disagree... the UB is regularly used to represent Northern Ireland in sporting contexts, this is a sporting context. The flag actually appears in the game to represent the NI national team.-MichiganCharms 19:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Disagreeing is fine, but that is the situation that we are at. Like I said no one is disagreeing that the UB is used to represent the Northern Ireland football team but that is not the issue here - if the IFA League was on FIFA 08 then I would have not problem with the UBbeing on it but its not. I've now remembered my point number 4 from above - its was that FIFA does not recognised the United Kingdom as a team anyway so the use of the Union Flag and term United Kingdom in terms of football is utterly falacious.--Vintagekits 19:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

For clarity, I was not challenging MichiganCharms. He is right and I support his edits. See my talk pageTraditional unionist 22:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Derry City are part of the FAI and not part of the IFA so the use of this flag is misleading and should be removed. There is no reason why the UB should be included. BigDunc 12:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Toronto FC are part of MLS and not the Canadian League, Wrexham, Cardiff, Swansea part of the English league, not Welsh. The flag is valid.Traditional unionist 13:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * How is it valid? Use the crest of the IFA and not a defunct flag that you know is divisive. BigDunc 14:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The IFA use the flag. The flag is widely used in a sporting context, therefore it should be used in this article.Traditional unionist 14:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Also what is the POV I am pushing? BigDunc 14:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Guys. Quit with the flag-warring already, otherwise the article will end up fully-protected - A l is o n  ☺ 18:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Its unfortunate that some feel that discussion here, started weeks before their intervention, is below their opinions.Traditional unionist 19:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I have readded the Northern Irish flag. Whilst I am aware of certain people's distaste for it (and indeed the irony of using it to represent Derry City who had to move leagues due to sectarianism), it is used to represent Northern Ireland in sporting events, and as this is a sports issue, it is appropriate to use it. It is also inappropriate to leave it out given the fact that all other leagues with participants from other nations have two flags. As pointed out above, if you insist on removing the NI flag, then all other "dual" flags should be removed too. Number  5  7  13:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed.Traditional unionist 13:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Disagree it is used to represent the National team not the IFA. BigDunc 13:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And players, and coaching staff, and clubs.......look at any sporting article on wikipedia, the flag is used to represent Northern Ireland, and people from there everywhere. It is accepted as representing NI in sporting contexts.Traditional unionist 13:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * But it is not representing the IFA, it is representing a sports team from Northern Ireland, and therefore the flag is appropriate. Number   5  7  14:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The Ulster Banner dosen't represent Northern Ireland, it may be used by the Northern Ireland Football Association, but Derry City dosen't play in their league, so they play under the Tricolour.--padraig 20:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * So your logic is to remove all other secondary flags? Number   5  7  20:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If a team is not playing in the league of the country it is based in and plays for another national league as in the case of Derry City then yes, but the insistance by some editor in this case on using the Ulster Banner has nothing to do with sport but a political attempt to protray the Ulster Banner as the flag of Northern Ireland which it isn't.--padraig 20:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The inclusion of the NI flag on this article is not about using it as the flag of the country, but using it to represent a NI sports team. If you insist that it should not be on here, please be consistent and remove all the other secondary flags too, not just the NI one. Number   5  7  20:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Number 57, I am not a football fan so I am not aware of the context of the use of the other flags, so I cannot judge on there use here, I will leave that to editors that know more on the subject, but in the case of the Ulster Banner it is not correct to use it in this case, if the same applies to the other flags then I would support their removal.--padraig 20:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * For info, the context is identical - each league has with two flags has just one team from another country playing in it. Number   5  7  21:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Then they should be removed.--padraig 21:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don;t know who you are refering to Padraig, but this editor is a football fan, and is aware of the protocol around this issue.Traditional unionist 21:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Not content with edit warring on Irish issues, I find it has now spread onto this page. This is verging on disrupting Wikipedia to make a point and none of you are doing yourselves any favours here.  Stop it, please.  E LIMINATOR JR  22:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The lengths being gone to here by those determined to erase the flag of Northern Ireland is astounding. Ignoring this discussion is just rude.Traditional unionist 08:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well you know Traditional unionist there is NO flag of NI the Ulster Banner the flag you are refering too is NOT the flag of NI. Between 1953-72 it was used as an offical flag of the government of Northern Ireland, it has not been officaly used since then.BigDunc 10:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What would you suggest is used on the page to indicate a NI team playing in the Irish league, in a similar way to the other leagues on the page? Because the only alternative I can see is a Union Flag.  E LIMINATOR JR  11:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The flag of whoevers jurisdiction they are playing under should be used if not on other football articles should the USA flag be on Man Utd article Russian on Chelsea Thai on Man City these clubs are all not English clubs.BigDunc 11:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that's a frankly ridiculous argument. The flagicons represent which country the clubs come from.  There is a NI team in the Irish league, therefore for consistency the flagicons need to reflect that.  So I say again, which flagicon should represent Derry City?  E LIMINATOR JR  17:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The leagues in which they play in. BigDunc 17:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wrong. The Welsh flag for Cardiff city says they are from Wales, despite playing in the English leagues.  The New Zealand flag is there because NZ teams play in the Australian league, etc.  I have lost patience with this and reverted it to the pre-edit war version.  Now talk about it sensibly and give me a good reason why you feel the need to push a version where Derry City are represented by the tricolour, which is obviously incorrect. Either that or you remove ALL the other flags from the countries who play in other countries' leagues - there has got to be consistency. Frankly, it would have been better to leave this article alone completely. E LIMINATOR JR  17:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

An option is to remove all the flags as per; Help the reader rather than decorate "Flag icons are commonly misused as decoration. Adding a country's flag next to its name does not provide additional encyclopedic information in a general context, and is often simply distracting ( example ). Wikipedia generally strongly eschews the use of images for decorative purposes, preferring those that provide additional essential information or needed illustration." BigDunc 18:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC) Are you blocking me from editing this article? Why must a defunct flag be used to represent Derry City when they play in the FAI. And beside each icon does it not have the name of the relevant association so anymore information is just window dressing.BigDunc 19:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh? They are providing information in this case - i.e. which countries' teams are included in each league.  OK, it's not the most vital information, but it's definitely not decoration.  I (and a number of other admins) are now completely out of patience with this - as you may have noticed you have got this article fully protected, thus causing problems to other editors.  I 'll say this now - when the protection expires on this article next week, ANYONE who starts messing about with the flagicons without getting complete consensus on the talk page I will block on the spot for disruption.  I'd suggest the best course of action is to go back to the usual articles - at least on those we stand some chance of reaching a shaky consensus.  E LIMINATOR JR  19:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not blocking you from editing this article. I am telling you (and the others involved) to stop edit-warring.  The flagicons in this article, before the POV-pushers from the pro/anti sides came along, were there - as they are in all similar articles - to identify the countries from which the teams involved come.  The leagues are irrelevant in this case.  If the flag is defunct, feel free to replace it with the Union Flag.  Or, as I said before, gain consensus to remove ALL the flags of countries whose clubs play in other countries' leagues.   E LIMINATOR JR  20:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Common sense - thats rare.Traditional unionist 20:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have had a look, and the Ulster banner is used in all of wikipedia's football pages that involve someone from Northern Island, I don't see why this page should be an exception from that? 24framespersecond 13:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you please tell me what POV you allege I am pushing EliminatorJR? The UB is not the flag of NI FACT No POV pushing there. BigDunc 14:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 24framespersecond could you tell me the article you refer to which "...involve someone from Northern Island" as I looked at the most famous footballer from NI George Best and the UB is not present on this article. BigDunc 15:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Because it was removed four days ago. Notice use of flag here though as proof that it is used for Northern Irish football topics (this does not give you license to remove it though!). Number   5  7  16:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There is NO debate that it is used by the national team but it is not used by the FAI and that is who the flag is beside. Also I dont see Derry City anywhere on the template. BigDunc 16:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Footballing authorities use the flag to represent Northern Ireland.Traditional unionist 16:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It is not used to represent Derry City anywhere I can find if you can find it I would like to see it. BigDunc 16:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Derry City dosen't play under the authority of the Northern Ireland League, so that arguement dosen't apply. Also the Ulster Banner is only used for International Games not the local league.--padraig 18:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Notice the flagicon anyone see the Ulster Banner UEFA website if this is not the difinitive word on this the surely the only reason to put the UB in is to push a POV BigDunc 17:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * UEFA are plain wrong there, as evidenced by the fact they claim Derry City are from the Republic of Ireland, so hardly definitive proof. Anyway, we are going round in circles. Fact: It is commonly accepted that the Northern Irish flag is used to represent the country in sporting terms. Fact: This is a sporting issue. What more is there to say? Number   5  7  17:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * FACT Derry City DONT represent NI in any competion they  REPRESENT the Rep. Of Ireland as the website shows above and I dont think UEFA are tring to say that Derry is in the ROI. BigDunc 18:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * But you have the wrong end of the stick. The flag isn't about who they represent, it is about where they are from! None of the other teams playing in other country's league whose flags are on the article page (e.g. FC Toronto or AS Monaco) "represent" their country, but rather the flag is an aid to see where the teams are from. Number   5  7  18:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * According to FIFA Derry City represent Rep. Of Ireland look at First qualifying round and the down to NO.12 also notice above it at NO.11 Linfield F.C. (NIR) FIFA website also here can anyone see the UB representing Derry City FIFA. So that is the European and the World governing bodies in football both using guess what NOT the Ulster Banner to represent this team. BigDunc 18:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That's because as far as they are concerned, Derry City represent the League of Ireland because that's the league they play in. I'm sure you'd find a French flag next to Monaco as well. But again, this is not about which country Derry City "represents" but about where they are from. Number   5  7  18:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The game is called FIFA 08 and FIFA dont use the Ulster Banner just look at the links I provided to represent this team so anyone else using it I feel are pushing a POV. BigDunc 19:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Firstly, Fifa do use the NI flag (and notice the way the flag is on the same page as the city of Londonderry. Secondly, if anything is POV pushing here, it is removing only the NI flag and not the secondary flags (e.g. Monaco/Canada/New Zealand) from the other competitions. Number   5  7  19:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I was about to until the page was locked and if you read above there is no flag of NI. The flag you are referring too is the Ulster Banner.BigDunc 19:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No. You're not decimating unrelated articles to push your POV.  The article was completely consistent up to the point where you started edit-warring over it.  It's now protected, and when it unprotects, if you (or anyone else) starts messing with the flagicons, I will block you.  This isn't just me talking either, I have agreement with other admins watching the article over this issue.  E LIMINATOR JR  01:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Quite. I'm watching this closely, too. This inane flagwar needs to stop - A l is o n  ☺ 01:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * In response to the question asking me which article shows the use of the Ulster Banner to represent NI in football. - look at this and scroll down, see all of the pages that link to the flag? There are endless amounts of FIFA and football club pages. Now I'm looking at this from a completely neutral POV, I have no political motivation and don't really care if the flag is there or not, all I am saying, is have a look at any of those pages and see that there is a player in their current squad, or manager, or something that has a Ulster banner sitting next to them representing NI. IMO get rid of ALL of these, or keep using it here. Otherwise it is just inconsistent. 24framespersecond 01:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And I'll just add that any disruption on any of those articles will not be well received either, without consensus on the talk page of the relevant article.  E LIMINATOR JR  02:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Again E LIMINATOR JR  you keep accusing me of pushing a POV what is it? And I dont like your threats of you using your admin power to block annother editor because he disagrees with you. BigDunc 07:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The threat of a block is NOT because I don't agree with you - I don't have an opinion either way on this. The threat of a block is for disruptive editing, and that goes for you or any other of the editors involved in this inane edit-war.  And I'd also appreciate it if you didn't act all the innocent - admins tend not to be stupid in that regard and we are well aware what your particular POV is on this issue, just the same as Trad Unionist, Padraig, Astrotrain and all the others.  All I care about, as an admin, is minimizing disruption to the encyclopedia, which is why I reverted the article to the pre edit-war CONSENSUAL version, as a number of uninvolved editors have pointed out to you above.  My reaction would have been exactly the same had the consensual version been the one that you wanted to keep, and one of the Unionist editors had started changing it.  Now let this be an end to it, please, enough of everyone's time has been wasted already.  E LIMINATOR JR  12:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I feel I have given two links one to the European governing body and the other the World governing body neither of which use this flag to represent the FAI or Derry City F.C. yet I am the one told that I am pushing a POV(dispite asking twice for the POV I am supposed to be pushing) and we have admins threathing to block an editor who puts in verifiable sources because he does not agree with him. BigDunc 10:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Why is this still being discussed? The Footballing authorities DO use it (I remember a football game for the Sega Mega Drive from 1995 using th flag to represent Derry City) consistently.  Sporting authorities across all disciplines and all nations of the world use the Flag of Northern Ireland to represent Northern Ireland.  Eliminator is right, there is a POV push to eradicated his flag from Wikipedia, that is tiresome enough on articles relating to Northern Ireland's politics and history, but when people try bringing sport into it......  This must stop.Traditional unionist 11:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * And again you still have not told me what POV that you allege I am pushing. So verifiable facts count for nothing a de funct flag should not be used to represent the FAI. It never has represented this Organisation FACT. No POV there. FIFA dont use it for the FAI and UEFA dont use it for the FAI FACT. So please tell me clearly what is the POV thanks. BigDunc 12:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Shall I say it one more time? The flags represent the country from which the teams come.  Nothing to do with which league they're in, nothing to do with FIFA, nothing to do with UEFA.  The Ulster Banner is indicating that you can play a team from Northern Ireland, nothing more, nothing less, and therefore cannot be represented solely by the tricolour, unless you apply that logic to the Australian league, MLS, etc.  (Obviously, as I said, it could also be represented by the Union Flag). This is how the article stood, there is consistency across Wikipedia on this issue.  Please read my note above as regards POV.  E LIMINATOR JR  12:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * In November 1973 the College of Arms advised that it would be improper to use the Northern Ireland Coat of Arms after the Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973 had been passed The effect of this has now been overtaken by The Flags Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2000 which prohibits the flying of any flag on Government buildings, other than the Union Flag, and in certain circumstances, the Europe Flag, the Flag of a visiting Head of State, or the Royal Standard. So for 34 years the UB has no legal status yet it is pushed by certain editors to forward a POV. Is the irony not lost that this flag is being used to represent a team that due to sectarianism could not compete in the Irish Football Association and had to join the Football Association of Ireland. BigDunc 13:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * All of which is utterly irrelevant to the matter at hand. FIFA do use it, UEFA do use it, EA Sports, who produce the game use it.  It is the accepted flag to represent the area Derry City play their home games in.Traditional unionist 13:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

NOT for the FAI which the flagicon is beside. BigDunc 13:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wrong. It is beside the league of Ireland, which contains teams from Northern Ireland.Traditional unionist 13:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Not Wrong the Ulster Banner is situated next to the title FAI premier division, where it does not belong as the Ulster banner neither represents the FAI nor Derry City FC and should be removed. It seems to me that admins looking at this issue should stop looking at the so called flagwar and simply recognise the fact that the use of the UB in this instance is incorrect as it DOES NOT represent the FAI or Derry City FC. A point which I think has been spelled out several times above and appears to have been overlooked.--Pappin76 13:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you read the discussion above? The flag represents NORTHERN IRELAND, Derry City's ground is in NORTHERN IRELAND, ergo the League of Ireland has a team in it from NORTHERN IRELAND.Traditional unionist 13:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Right, this thread has turned into a pointless round robin of you having a simple point explained to you, and then you refusing to listen and making irrelevant arguments as to why you are right and everyone else is wrong. You've now had this issue explained in simple terms by at least three uninvolved admins and also a number of uninvolved editors (some of whom regularly edit football articles), and frankly that should be enough. I don't have infinite patience and I'm not wasting any more of my time with this issue.  Please just keep in mind what I said about disruption above.  E LIMINATOR JR  13:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Another threat from the only admin involved in this discussion. Who are the "three uninvolved admins"  that took part in this discussion. The FACTS are plain to see if you look at the UEFA website the tri colour is used they are the governing body of European Socer they do not use the Ulster banner to represent Derry City F.C. FACT. Pappin76 has got it right editors can not see the wood for the trees. BigDunc 14:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Stop using the word "threat" - if you and other editors were not causing these problems, there would be no need to remind you of possible sanctions. Oh, and the only admin involved?  What about Alison, who warned you above and who protected the article?  How about a number of other admins who have spent much of their time recently on this whole issue and are now thoroughly sick of the whole thing?  E LIMINATOR JR  16:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have read the discussion above and it appears to me that Traditional unionist is trying to make a political statment by saying the Ulster Banner represents Northern Ireland, and as far as I am aware the Union Flag represents Northern Ieland Not the UB which has been relegated in recent times to represent a particular Political affiliation and the Northern Ireland International Football Squad. Nw if you are suggesting that the UB represents Northern Ieland as  Geographic or Political area you are again wrong, so lets go back over it again,1) UB Does Not represent the FAI.  2) The UB does not represent Derry City FC.  3) The UB Des Not represent Northern Ireland as a Geographical Entity. Strike three your Out.--Pappin76 14:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not making any political point. I don't even like that flag representing Northern Ireland, but the fact remains that that is the flag used to denote Northern Ireland.Traditional unionist 14:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I (and Alison, SirFozzie and any other admins involved in this) as well as other editors suggested the Union Flag as a compromise. Unfortunately, BigDunc and co aren't happy with the Union Flag either.  E LIMINATOR JR  16:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Seeing as none of the  "three uninvolved admins"  have offered a compromise how about using this [[Image:FAIEircomLOIsmall.png|16px]] no one can claim to be pushing a POV with this. BigDunc 15:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I believe that would be copyright infringement - I have seen discussions before saying logos cannot be used in such cases. In any case, it is an established fact that the NI flag is used to represent the country in a sporting context. This is a sporting context. I can't see how this argument can continue, and I am glad that EliminatorJR has had the nerve to fix things. Also, if there is no POV, why is it only editors from the ROI/with an interest in Irish Republicanism who are removing the NI flag? Number   5  7  15:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a logo of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by copyright and/or trademark. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, of logos for certain uses involving identification and critical commentary may qualify as fair use under United States copyright law. Does that not cover this not up on copyright law. BigDunc 15:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you seemed to skip over my point that this is about Wikipedia not politics? If you are so worried about this, talk about it on the page which the flag comes from, not an article on a video game! Changing the flag here changes nothing, it just makes it inconsistent. Change the scheme of wikipedia (in which the Ulster banner is used to represent footballers and managers + more from Northern Island) and then come back here and change the flag (as ONLY THEN would it be inconsistent).24framespersecond 15:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * So am I correct in thinking that consistancy is more important than factually incorrect content on WP, While I understand the point you are trying to make, I have to say I'm sorry being consistantly wrong is no way to edit an encyclopedia--Pappin76 15:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the incorrect spelling of Consistent but im sure 24 frames will be happy as i consistently spelled it wrong through out the above entry--Pappin76 15:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Right I'll say it again in European soccer Derry City F.C. represent the Republic Of Ireland NOT Northern Ireland plain and simple the address of the football ground where they play home games is irrelevant. BigDunc 15:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but it is 100% relevant - the dual flags are representing where teams are from, not in which league they play - that is the whole point of them, and if you do not understand that, this is why this argument is going round in circles. Number   5  7  15:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I am Sorry I have to disagree with Number 57. In this instance the UB is not being used to identify a team representing Northern Ireland which is the capacity in which the UB is regularly used, It is being used on this article to describe the Country of Northern Ireland which is wrong as the Ulster banner is not the Official Flag of Northern Ireland and is only used to Identify a team representing Northern Ireland, Now, that is the Key point that is being missed, Derry City FC are not representing Northern Ireland when they Play so therfore the Ulster Banner should not be used.--Pappin76 16:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

How about we unprotect the article, remove ALL the flags in the league section, and you guys can work it out. It's a shame that this article needs to be fully protected over an edit war on a flag icon. // laughing man 16:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Much as I would like to, previous experience of this and many other articles shows that this will just result in another edit war. Until there is an least some semblance of consensus over this,  I cannot justify unprotection.  (If you have any uncontroversial edits that need to be made to the article, list them on this page and I'll make them).  E LIMINATOR JR  16:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I made that suggestion above and if I was being cynical I would say someone wants to push a POV but im not so i wont. Help the reader rather than decorate

"Flag icons are commonly misused as decoration. Adding a country's flag next to its name does not provide additional encyclopedic information in a general context, and is often simply distracting ( example ). Wikipedia generally strongly eschews the use of images for decorative purposes, preferring those that provide additional essential information or needed illustration." BigDunc 16:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * OK then, how about this - I still think the flagicon is providing info, so how about we remove all the subsiduary flags from all the leagues (i.e. Wales, Canada) and insert a note on each of those leagues in small type saying "Includes teams from NZ/Wales/N. Ireland/whatever". Can you agree to that?  E LIMINATOR JR  16:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a little unnecessary to compromise on an issue that seems to have consensus, and frankly, its insulting to Canadians!!Traditional unionist 17:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I would have no problem with that suggestion and I dont think the Canadians will be insulted. BigDunc 17:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Which leads me to believe that you haven't met many Canadians!Traditional unionist 17:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Let me have a discussion with other admins and I'll get back to you on this, probably tomorrow.  E LIMINATOR JR  17:38, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I also agree, remove subsiduary flags while maintaining the info through a small note--Pappin76 17:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That seems a senseable solution.--padraig 10:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Common sense prevails, agree a sensible solution.--Domer48 18:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You want to add words where a simple picture would convey the message adequately?Traditional unionist 20:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The simple picture as you call it conveys the wrong information, stating Includes Derry City based in Northern Ireland is more factural the same applies to the other leagues currently using two flagicons.--21:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Padraig (talk • contribs)
 * It clearly does not convey the wrong information.Traditional unionist 23:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Apologies for the delay on this, I'm just waiting to talk to a couple of other people before I unprotect the article.  E LIMINATOR JR  23:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, unprotected. I tried to make the format as easy as possible to read, feel free to mess with it if you think you make it look better.  Just don't ... well, you know the rest :)  E LIMINATOR JR  13:49, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I did some cleanup on article, including this section. // laughing man 05:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally I think that it is unnecessary verbosity, and complicates th information that could be displayed in a much simpler format by using flags.Traditional unionist 08:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

A-League
Is the australian a-leaugue going to be included in this game, because i was looking in this pages history, and someone said the Irland, Russian and Australian leagues were to be debuted in this game. Recently, the Ireland league has been announced, does anyone know about the A-League being included? Dingyv03 04:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The only league officially announced was league of Ireland, everything else you hear at this point is pure speculation, and we are trying (very hard) to keep the speculation out the article.  // laughing man 13:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The Czech league was announced last week during a press event in Prague. The final league is due to be announced later this week or next week.


 * Reference for this is... Chaza   9  3  19:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Request
Can someone please make fifa 08 page editable and add the following leagues * Austrian Bundesliga with the little flags.
 * Australian A-league new
 * Belgian Jupiler League
 * Brazilian Campeonato Brasileiro
 * Czech Grambinus League new
 * Danish Superligaen
 * Dutch Eredivisie
 * Premier League
 * Football League Championship
 * Football League One
 * Football League Two
 * French Ligue 1
 * French Ligue 2
 * German Bundesliga 1
 * German Bundesliga 2
 * FAI Premier Division new
 * Italian Serie A
 * Italian Serie B
 * Korean K-League
 * Major League Soccer (USA and Canada)
 * División de México
 * Norwegian Tippeligaen
 * Polish Orange Ekstraklasa
 * Portuguese BWINLIGA
 * Scottish Premier League
 * Spanish Primera División
 * Spanish Segunda División
 * Swedish Allsvenskan
 * Swiss Axpo Super League
 * Turkcell Super League


 * We need reference to the new leagues otherwise the answer is no. Without reference we are adding speculation. ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | [mailto:nathan@simpedia.co.uk Email]| 16:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * As above, that is the reason the page is protected, and you obviously are not aware of many of our templates if you do not know the flags, can i suggest making an account, waiting 5 days, logging on, and then coming back here again. El-   Nin  09  12:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Leagues/sponsor names
Hello all :)

Just wandering, should the sponsor of the league be in the name? e.g. Australian Hyundai A-League/Australian A League, Portuguese BWINLIGA/Portuguese Liga Hectic18 23:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC) well, duh

Archie thompson on Australian Cover
That's false. The source you have clearly says Archie Thompson is the face, and will only promote it, then in the last sentence that he, or nobody else from the A-League, will now be on the cover, so take it off —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Indeed. The Australian Cover Art features Ronaldinho and Wayne Rooney. SpaceTym 13:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

60 fop not 30
60 fop on the ps3 and xbox360 s at psu.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lord of the roasts (talk • contribs).

Messed Up Leagues
EA should take away those really useless English leagues with teams like Barnet, Rochdale and others who really don't deserve to be on the game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rokkafellah (talk • contribs).

Ok, so how is that comment of any relevance to the discussion ABOUT THE ARTICLE? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.212.12.137 (talk) 23:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with above, but not top, why would you want to remove league 1&2, where would relegated championship teams go??? plus, the point in fifa is to make it the most realistic and life-like game around, taking out leagues isn't what it wants, its trying to add as many leagues as possible 90.206.210.151 (talk) 20:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Question
KTsuka 05:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC) Are all the aleague teams going to to in the gameKTsuka 05:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I have no idea at all. Maybe you might find the answer by reading the article? ....-_-" Hectic18 09:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Lol it would be pretty silly not to have all 8 teams

There is nothing on the page about 5 Vs 5 online in be a pro mode —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.12.144.21 (talk) 00:00, August 30, 2007 (UTC)


 * You could help by adding what you know about 5v5 on it, I sure don'tHectic18 14:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Is C.Ronaldo really going to be the portugal face of Fifa? I though he was with Pes?..if he then :( i wanted Deco oh well Ronaldo is good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rvdon (talk • contribs) 16:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

What team is David Beckham on when you play FIFA 08 for the first time? Can you get Pele on your team? Can you create your own players and your own team? 18:30, 3 November 2007 DF
 * This is a talk page - not a FAQ. Try GameFAQs, Neoseekers, or one of the sorts. SpaceTym 12:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

national teams
has EA announced what national teams will be appearing in fifa 08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.125.55 (talk) 16:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Nope, not yet El-   Nin  09  19:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

60.53.188.185 16:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)does anyone know the exactly amount of national team in fifa08?i just wish to get known..
 * There is a forum post (below, in "National teams?") posted by a user who alledgedly works for EA.com, but no official announcement yet (that I have been able to find, anyway). Also, next time it might be a good idea to post a question at the bottom of the page so more people will see it.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (talk&bull;contribs) 16:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Demo
Xbox 360 Demo is out now can someone confirm if the PS3 demo is out???

Yes go to this site http://games.ign.com/articles/820/820073p1.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by GChivasMex (talk • contribs) 23:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Potential copyright violation/plagarism
editprotected

It appears the opening section "Features" was copied verbatim from the official website:



Scroll down to "Key features" under "Current Generation". 72.196.226.14 15:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been cleaned up a bit, but is still mostly copied. 72.196.226.14 19:08, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Added editprotected. The following sub-sections (still in the section "Features") are still copied: Manual Controls, Enhanced AI, Manager Mode Improvements (but the last three words are changed) and Online Football Clubs (Playstation 2). The others have had words added or removed, and in the case of Share Replays (PC), have been rewritten. 72.196.226.14 20:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * ✅ - you're absolutely right. That section has now been deleted in its entirety. Folks, please don't re-add that - A l is o n  ☺ 21:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Article fully protected
.. due to inane flag-warring, which has been ongoing across Irish/NI/UK-related articles. All of you; Padraig, Dunc, TradUnionist - please discuss the matter here and try to come to some compromise. This revert-warring is serving no purpose whatsoever - A l is o n  ☺ 17:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Not on XBOX?
I noticed that FIFA 08 will be released on the PS2, but I don't see XBOX listed. Are they not releasing FIFA 08 on the XBOX? It seems strange that they would release it on one current gen console but not the other this year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.154.9 (talk) 01:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's listed in the table, you must have missed it. 72.196.226.14 23:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Taken directly from the table: Platform(s) 	PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, PC, PSP, DS, Mobile, N-Gage The regular XBOX isn't listed (I ment the regular XBOX earlier, not the XBOX 360, sorry if I wasn't clear on that) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.152.99 (talk) 02:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The XBOX is not current gen. It probably wouldn't be able to even run FIFA 08. Also EA wouldn't want to waste money releasing a game on an outdated console. 72.196.226.14 12:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Let me elaborate on that. The PS2 is not current gen either, but the release of the PS3 was only 10 months ago, so games are still being made for the PS2. Meanwhile, the XBOX 360 has been out for almost 2 years, and companies have stopped producing games for an obsolete console. Basically, the PS2 is not considered obsolete, but the XBOX is, so FIFA 08 comes out on one but not the other. 72.196.226.14 15:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

FIFA 07 was the last of the series for the Xbox because Madden NFL 08 was the last EA game on the Xbox, I presume. 67.119.131.122 (talk) 01:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Ommitances
These clubs are not notable and should not be included so I removed them.BigDunc 19:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a source to the many who you claim are looking for African teams in this game if not take them out.BigDunc 19:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

After a very detailed discussion, a good as dead reference is used for a completely different game, to circumvent the previous discussion. --Domer48 20:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I watched the discussion, and followed it through from the start. This is gaming the system and typical of the type of behaviour I have come to expect. You say see discussion, and they don’t even comment on the discussion. The reference used is for FIFA07, totally different game. So is there an admin going to sort this out, or is it just another marathon discussion. --Domer48 20:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The reference you have given for the countries is for FIFA 07 page this is wrong so find correct ref or remove countries. BigDunc 20:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

BigDunc I'm telling you now you are wasting your time! All you will get is a major discussion, and then someone else will come along and do the same thing. Fair play to you, for sticking at it, I thought you conducted yourself very well in the previous discussion. --Domer48 20:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it seems the link for list of national teams was for FIFA 08. The "Ommitances" section though should probally be removed. The only thing that I think is notable to mention is what new national teams were added, and what teams were removed since the previous version, but that's just my opinion. // laughing man 22:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

FIFA 2008
SoccerAccess - FIFA Kits, Stadiums, Boots, Utilities, Faces, Mods, News, Reviews, Trailers & Cheats

Socceraccess.com brings you FIFA Kits, Stadiums, Boots, Utilities, Faces, Mods, News, Reviews, Trailers & Cheats on PC, PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii, Mobile, Pocket PC

http://fifa.socceraccess.com -

How do I submit a link to Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamingaccess (talk • contribs) 19:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It has been requested that no more external links be added to the article unless they have been approved on this talkpage, so just wait until it is decided whether your link is appropriate or not and then it will be added. NA SC AR Fan 24 (user&bull;talk) 20:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

National teams?
Any one know the list of the national teams? I'm wondering if Iraq in the game. Mussav 01:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * duh, no! Dude, Iraq is not even a country —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.212.12.137 (talk) 23:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a list at . It doesn't list Iraq, but it may not be bona fide. I don't have time to search the official website, though. NA SC AR Fan 24 (user&bull;talk) 19:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

dah Iraq is a country —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.110.87.234 (talk) 12:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Sponsored Leagues!?
Either all of the sponsorships should be reflected or none of them, ie, the Premier League (which btw is incorrectly called the English Premier League) should be called the Barclays Premier League and the French Ligue 1 should be Ligue 1 Orange, and so on. Also, the flags convey which country the leagues are from so unless the country name is part of the league name I think they should be removed. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.101.45.228 (talk) 14:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * About the flags: They are generally used in any context relating to a country. I would leave the flags as they are. For all we know, removing them could start another edit war (see above "Ulster Banner beside FAI league). As for the sponsors, I believe it has to do with what the leagues were called in FIFA 07. Perhaps some sponsors have not given their permission for their names to be used in the game, hence the inconsistency. Also, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes ( like this: ~)  NA SC AR Fan 24 (talk&bull;contribs) 19:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Flags used in there proper context will not start an edit war what starts it is when they are use incorrectly.BigDunc 03:17, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean that the flags should be removed, I meant that since the flag icons are included (and I think they should be left as they are) that the "English" in "English Premier Leauge" shouldn't be included. Incidentally the Premier League changed its logo in the most recent close season in order to emphasize the fact that it was called the "Premier League" and not "The FA Premier League" or "English Premier League" as it had become increasingly known. In reference to your point NASCAR, in the previous games it has been called "The FA Premier League" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.37.192.133 (talk) 05:46, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's important to note that the game recognizes some league sponsorships but not others. The Barclay's Premier League is called just that.  But the Czech League is simply called 'Czech League.'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt91486 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Miroslav Klose of Manchester United!??!??!?
There is a Mistake in the article,stating that Miroslav Klose is of Manchester United whereas he plays for Bayern Munich!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by BillaBash (talk • contribs) 09:40, 29 September 2007 (UTC) ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.221.213 (talk) 16:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Stadiums
Does anyone have a list of stadiums that should be put on the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aphughes24 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't have the list, but tomorrow I will have got the game, so I will write all the stadiums!!! (i'm italian, if my write are not correct I'm sorry ;) ) -- Lãzîalë93  08:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laziale93 (talk • contribs)
 * I have the game, some stadiums are Allianz Arena, the usual Emirates Satdium, Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge and White Hart Lane of all stadiums. That's all i can remember.

Anon.


 * Hi, I have write on the italian wikipedia the stadiums, if you want you can copy it by there. Bye, -- Lãzîalë93  10:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:FAIEircomLOIsmall.png
Image:FAIEircomLOIsmall.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 07:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Derry City
Anyone who knows anything about Irish Politics will know that just because a person is Born In Northern Ireland, they are not necessarily British. This is a unique situation thanks to the steps the peace process have made over the years.

A person born in Northern Ireland can choose to either hold and Irish or British passport. They can also choose to represent Ireland Or Britain in Sport. If they choose Ireland, they are legally considered to be IRISH!!

Derry City FC is legally considered to be an Irish Football club, both by Interntaional political standards and by Fifa footballing standards!! I cannot believe that this site has stated that "Derry City from Northern Ireland" is an accurate representation of reality. Clearly you people are uneducated and have no notion of what the current status of Northern Ireland actually is!!

This is not like Toronto playing in the MSL or Swansea playing in England! This is cleary a unique political situation. Your inability to understand or deal with this is not surprising, as the standard of wikipedia is declining by the minute.

Derry City is an Irish Football Club, who play in the Irish League, supported by Irish fans and Played for by Irish Players. None of whom would consider themselves to be "Northern Irish!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.95.190.2 (talk) 15:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree - This is exactly like Swansea playing in England. The political affiliations of the fans have no baring on the fact that Derry City are based in Northern Ireland. However I personally believe that only the flag of the governing body's international team should be used. beano 21:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Read above. There was a huge edit war about this, which resulted in little footnotes being used instead of two different flags.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 20:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * To the original poster - the point you have missed is that Derry City FC are, geographically speaking, a Northern Irish team. However you want to look at it, there is no escaping the fact that Derry City are based within the well-established geographical boundaries of Northern Ireland.  Come on, let's not bring a political debate to these pages - it's football for God's sake and I think it is exactly like Swansea/Wrexham/Cardiff who are considered Welsh despite playing in the English leagues.  Please, just let it go.  GillsMan 09:35, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Soundtrack?
Do we really need this section? Remember that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. How many people would come to Wikipedia looking for information on the FIFA 08 soundtrack? Not many. Therefore, the section should be deleted.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 02:04, 6 October 2007 (UTC) Never mind.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 20:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that the soundtrack is not necessarily a must have, but if its going to stay then there HAS to be a list of stadiums, which I think should be in the article regardless. 71.36.186.23 05:50, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Um, I came on here looking for the soundtrack, which has been deleted, to my dismay. So yes, people do come here looking for info like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.237.25 (talk) 00:38, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Stadias
Why is there not a list of the satdias in FIFA 08? 69.121.147.208 17:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC) :The addition of stadiums have been contested as a result of possibly being in violation of WP:IINFO. It is currently being discussed at the top of the talkpage.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 17:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * NASCAR, you're the only one contesting the addition of a list of stadiums - and from the edits and previous comments you've been making, you clearly know almost nothing about soccer or the FIFA series, so stop acting as if you are some sort of authority. There is absolutely no reason why the list of stadiums shouldn't be included if there is a soundtrack section.  Personally I think that the stadiums should be included regardless, but I'm willing to compromise.  I would add the stadiums myself, but the article is protected and I don't have a copy of the game as of yet because I, like you, live in the States and the game hasn't been released here yet. 71.37.204.177 20:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I am? Well then, I'd go ahead and add them, except I don't have the game. There's no online references either. I'm not trying to act like an authority, and if I seem like one I do apologise.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 20:24, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Apology accepted, NASCAR, and sorry if I got a little hot under the collar as well. I will add the list as soon as I have the game. 71.37.204.177 20:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for being civil and resolving this in a dignified manner. There's nothing worse than an IP address who refuses to accept your apology. This is a great example of how all users, registered or not, should behave.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 20:55, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Note to 71.37.204.177, you do need to add an online reference, it is no good just having the game, so find an online source, please use the International teams list deletion as an example El-   Nin  09  19:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * There are many pages in this encyclopedia that reference articles that require subscriptions in order to view them. I would argue that the game would be something similar to this, or to purchasing a book and referencing it.  You can verify this info very easily by simply obtaining a copy of the game by purchasing or renting it.  71.37.204.177 05:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have write on the italian wikipedia the stadiums, if you want you can copy it by there. Bye,-- Lãzîalë93  12:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Here they are:

Real Stadiums:


 * Allianz Arena (FC Bayern München, Germany, and TSV 1860 München/Germany)
 * Amsterdam Arena (AFC Ajax and Holland/Holland)
 * Anfield (Liverpool FC/England)
 * AWD-Arena (Hannover 96/Germany)
 * BayArena (Bayer 04 Leverkusen/Germany)
 * Camp Nou (FC Barcelona/Spain)
 * Commerzbank-Arena (Eintracht Frankfurt/Germany)
 * Constant Vanden Stock Stadium (RSC Anderlecht and Belgium/Belgium)
 * Daegu Sports Complex (Daegu FC/Korea Republic)
 * Emirates Stadium (Arsenal FC/England)
 * Estadio Azteca (Club América and Mexico/Mexico)
 * Estádio da Luz (SL Benfica and Portugal/Portugal)
 * Estádio do Bessa (Boavista FC/Portugal)
 * Estádio do Dragão (FC Porto/Portugal)
 * Estadio Jalisco (CD Guadalajara/Mexico) new
 * Estádio José Alvalade (Sporting CP/Portugal)
 * Estadio Mestalla (Valencia CF/Spain)
 * Estadio Vicente Calderón (Atlético Madrid/Spain)
 * Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion (VfB Stuttgart/Germany)
 * Home Depot Center (CD Chivas USA, LA Galaxy, and United States/United States) new
 * HSH Nordbank Arena (Hamburger SV/Germany)
 * Millenium Stadium (Wales/Wales)
 * Old Trafford (Manchester United FC)
 * Olympiastadion (Hertha BSC Berlin/Germany)
 * Parc des Princes (Paris Saint-Germain FC and France/France)
 * Seoul World Cup Stadium (FC Seoul and Korea Republic/Korea Republic)
 * Signal Iduna Park (BV Borussia Dortmund/Germany)
 * St. James' Park (Newcastle United FC/England)
 * Stade Félix Bollaert (RC Lens/France)
 * Stade Gerland (Olympique Lyonnais/France)
 * Stade Vélodrome (Olympique de Marseille/France)
 * Stadio delle Alpi (Juventus FC and Torino FC/Italy)
 * Stadio Olimpico (AS Roma, Italy, and SS Lazio/Italy)
 * Stadio San Siro (AC Milan and FC Internazionale Milano/Italy)
 * Stamford Bridge (Chelsea FC/England)
 * Veltins-Arena (FC Schalke 04/Germany)
 * Wembley Stadium (England/England)
 * White Hart Lane (Tottenham Hotspur FC/England) new

Generic Stadiums:


 * Closed Square Style
 * Div1 Euro Style
 * Div1 UK Style
 * Div2 Euro Style
 * Div2 UK Style
 * Div3 Euro Style
 * Div3 UK Style
 * Generic Modern
 * Modern Euro
 * Modern South America
 * Olympic Style
 * Open Square Style
 * Oval Style

Man that took a long time. Can someone please add this to the article along with the flag icons for the stadiums and superscripts indicating the new stadiums? I've done most of the legwork, so can someone please put the finishing touches on it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.37.204.177 (talk) 20:06, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, I will.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 11:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Need to add generic stadiums now.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 11:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Done.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 21:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

National teams...
"Concern has been expressed that this article or section is missing information about: the national teams in the game. This concern has been noted on the talk page where it may be discussed whether or not to include such information."

Yeah right, not so long ago I had started to add the featured teams in the World Cup 2006 game to the appropriate article and it was deleted immediately before I could even finish the job. So it's kinda weird that now you are requesting the same information here... --89.133.24.44 02:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

It is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE that there is question as to the addition of national teams while the full soundtrack, again flags and all, is included in the article without question. The national teams have something to do with the ACTUAL PLAYING OF THE GAME. The soundtrack is a completely secondary addition to the game, and the article without the actual football. Again, without the football game the soundtrack would not exist. Nobody in the world says, "Oh I could give a toss about football, but this soundtrack is cracking so I'm going to shell out 50 quid for it." If the national teams are going to be removed from the article then there needs to be a DETAILED JUSTIFICATION FOR THE ADDITION OF THE SOUNDTRACK. This is getting ridiculous. 71.37.199.64 21:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * First off, please do not shout (i.e. talk in all caps) as it's considered rude. No one has contested the addition of the national teams, just that no one can find a list online or take the time to copy them out from the game. I would add them, but I likely won't get a hold of the game for a while.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 21:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * NASCAR I'm not talking in all caps for no reason, I am shouting. I don't need your help with online ettequite, but thanks anyway.  There is a banner at the top of the article that says theres a discussion about whether to add the national teams and they were removed inexplicably from the article in the last few days.  That's why I'm shouting, not because someone hasn't gotten around to adding them, they were in the article already just a few days ago. 71.37.199.64 23:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

This came out in Australia and Europe a week or so ago and still no one has placed the list of national teams up. That is weird. Ship Date was today. I will get my game before 12:00pm tommorow. Hopefully I can post up the list of international teams on it. I know your not supposed to speculate, but their is a few teams that are givens, i.e. Brazil, US, England, France...etc.


 * The thing is though, there WERE national teams in the article a few days ago. And they were inexplicably removed a few days ago.  Grant.alpaugh 04:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd add them myself but I'm no good at the coding etc. Here's a list of the teams, so somebody else can put them on the page:


 * Argentina
 * Australia
 * Austria
 * Belgium
 * Brazil
 * Bulgaria
 * Cameroon
 * China PR
 * Croatia
 * Czech Republic
 * Denmark
 * Ecuador
 * England
 * Finland
 * France
 * Germany
 * Greece
 * Holland
 * Hungary
 * Italy
 * Mexico
 * New Zealand
 * Nigeria
 * North. Ireland
 * Norway
 * Paraguay
 * Poland
 * Portugal
 * Rep. Ireland
 * Republic Of Korea
 * Romania
 * Russia
 * Scotland
 * Slovenia
 * South Africa
 * Spain
 * Sweden
 * Switzerland
 * Turkey
 * Ukraine
 * United States
 * Uruguay
 * Wales