Talk:FUBAR

Anonymous lulz
Just going to add this because I thought this was relvent and kinda funny. Theres supposed to be a new bar out called fullbar --- http://www.fullbar.com Whats funny about it? Well Fullbar is Fubar. Its just another company that picks a name for a product with out at least doing some reasearch.

Makes you thinkg if it the bar really works or if the bar it self really fucked up beyond repair. LOL

Odd part?
At the end of the article there is something talking about a band playing in San Francisco. Doesn't that seem a bit misplaced? 81.231.7.57 18:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

FUBAR in other forms
This article should be a branch off a disambiguation page that points to this and an article on the acronym FUBAR. I don't know how to do that yet, but when I learn, I will probably make it happen. Vic Sinclair 06:21, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Merge
Merge done and made new disambiguation page. Vic Sinclair 10:39, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Good work. Much better now. alangstone

Movies
Shouldnt saving private ryan be mentioned in the movies catagory? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.109.84.227 (talk • contribs)
 * It is, in the second bullet point. On the other hand, uses of a word seem to be slightly unencyclopedic.  We can't possibly catch all the uses anywhere.  Does the fact that most young people first heard the word in Saving Private Ryan or in a video game mean that it has to be mentioned? Dpv 10:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

grammar error
This is a sentence: "In a museum at Aarhus, a large wooden bar with the runic enscription f u þ a r, where fu is pronounced like foo." I suppose it could read, "A large wooden bar with the runic enscription f u þ a r, where fu is pronounced like foo, is on display in a museum at Aarhus," but I'll let the author (or, at least, someone knowledgeable about the museum) make that decision.

Nshewmaker 15:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * --user comment deleted--


 * For many readers of this page, IMO most likely including user:Nshewmaker, the 2006 contributor at the top of this talk section, it may appear that f u þ a r" has something more than a misleading random relationship to "fubar". (For me, that's an amusing but meaningless -- nay, deceptive -- coincidence.) We have an article on fuþark, an ancient set of Scandinavian (quasi- ? / dialect?) alphabets. In particular, þ is kind of  complement to eth" (which might be more intuitively spelled "edh" (because it's pronounced like the [[voiced

Merge with FUBAR: The Movie
This article should be merged with FUBAR: The Movie. I'm a bit of a newbie here and I'm not familiar with how to do that.

Well why do you think that? The term FUBAR is completely different from the movie --Teh darkcloud 22:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC) I'd agree, this page should NOT be merged with FUBAR: The Movie. Sdrycroft 11:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Removal of advertising
Is inclusion of a link to a nightclub's website just advertising? Is the fact that there is a nightclub called "The Fubar" really relevant? Sdrycroft 11:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC) I think that the inclusion of the website link is a little over the top and it does sound like advertising. I would say though that the nightclub/pub entries should remain on the page. The Fubar nightclub in Stirling had legendary status in the Scottish dance music scene when it was at its peak in the 1990s. It was actually the reason I came onto this page today, I didn't know about most of the other uses of the name. 161.12.7.4 (talk) 15:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think if that nightclub and other places by this name are notable, they should just have their own pages and link back to this article. Milkfish (talk) 22:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Merger with SNAFU
This page should be merged outright with SNAFU. The two contain mostly the same information, especially the backstory and the list of related terms. Failing a full merger, the terms list, at the least, should be transferred to one or the other, or possibly a separate overview page (if there were more related pages, I'd recommend a "Military acronyms/expletives" template, but most of the related terms redirect to SNAFU).

Tom W.M. 17:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the list does not belong here. Maybe it can be incorporated into List of U.S. Army acronyms and expressions. Not sure whether they are all "U.S. Army" or not, though. Milkfish 22:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Why are people such f'ing morons!? 03:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)~

Uh...could you be more specific? Because people have no life but to disrupt ours. That is their goal. To mess with your head. To get you stirred up. Maby teach your children better than to be a smudge on the social piece of paper of life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Broman=Roman (talk • contribs) 17:25, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

"tofu"
the only references i see to the definition of tofu are links to this page. can anyone demonstrate its use somewhere? ... aa:talk 06:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I was skeptical too, but take a look at http://www.realraptalk.com/f2/some-slang-army-acronyms-20519/ Milkfish 22:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I really don't think a thread from a message board qualifies as a valid source. I'm also not sure reproducing the list from said message board is necessary or adequately cited for that matter. --Heuback (talk) 07:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Applies to
Let's make a list of "fuck-ups" that FUBAR can be attributed to

1 - The Millennium Dome —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.30.216.37 (talk) 00:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

runic yeah right
I removed this:
 * "It is also possible that foobar is a phonological interpretation of the first letters of the Runic alphabet. Like Qwerty and Abcde, this expression might have attracted various computer programmers. In a museum at Aarhus, there is a large wooden bar with the runic inscription f u þ a r, where fu is pronounced like foo. However, the letter þ is actually pronounced like an unvoiced th, not a b (hence the name Futhark for the Runic alphabet)."

Because, quite simply, this has nothing to do with the origin of FUBAR, which is a simple acronym. It is just slightly within the farthest bounds of possibility that computer programmers with their FOOBAR could have derived terms from the runic alphabet... but the technicians and soldiers who are the original users of FUBAR. Herostratus 07:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Euphemism?
The statement towards the beginning of the article "for purposes of euphemism, "fucked" is sometimes replaced with "fouled"" is a matter of opinion presented as fact. "Euphemism" means that something bad is stated in a way that makes it sound not so bad, or even rather good. Saying that something is "all fouled up" certainly does not make it sound good, so it cannot be called a euphemism. In reality, "fucked up" is actually a corsened form of "fouled up," since "fouled," having come from Middle English, is a much older word than the slang term. The original claim is like saying "negro" is a euphemism for "nigger," when in reality the latter is an offensive corruption of the former. Unless it is known that the "F" in FUBAR and its variants originally stood for "fucked" then it is better to err on the side of caution and use the less offensive equivalent. TimMagic 20:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC) TimMagic

That doesn't make any sense, unless you're also claiming that the expression dates to Middle English. Otherwise, it's completely irrelevant - you've replaced a fairly accurate statement of fact with a statement of opinion. And the writing thereof could really do with a tidy-up regardless. This should be reverted - yes, it is known that it stands for "fucked", despite your assurance to the contrary. 210.54.98.171 10:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * TimMagic is partially correct in what he was saying. Using the term "euphemism" in this case is incorrect.  A more appropriate term would be "expurgation" or "bowdlerization" (see the 'Variations' section of FUBAR and the introduction to SNAFU). Sigil VII (talk) 16:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Unibus reference sounds like a myth
I'm not sure that I beleive that FUBAR was used for a unibus reference. Even if true, Unibus and the PDP-11 arrived far after both the WWII usages of FUBAR, and even most "Computer engineers (esp. those working in the early era of computing)".

Degeldeg 13:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It is most definitely not a myth. You can find it in the VAX-11/780 Hardware Handbook, and indeed it stands for the Failed Unibus Address Register.  (That means it contains the address value that resulted in an access error on the 780 Unibus Adapter.)  However, this is obviously a register name chosen to produce that acronym.  So there's no reason to describe this as a "claim" of "early era" computer engineers. Paul Koning 22:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

It is no myth. BTW when I worked for dec we were told to always write the company name in lower case IE dec or digital.Z07 12:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

A contradiction?
Am I misreading this?

In the "Etymology" section: "The actual origin of the word was developed in the 1960s, as fire departments across the nation began to use the line."

Further down, FUBAR is referenced as having appeared in the 1953 autobiography "Battle Cry" and again lower down in a 1944 novel.

Wouldn't that mean that the "actual origin" of FUBAR predates the 1960s by at least 15 years?

NehpestTheFirst 03:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Because of the conjecture surrounding its origins, I don't believe that here it could be safely written where the "actual origin of the word was developed." It looks like this has been changed now. Sigil VII (talk) 16:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Usage in computer programming instructional texts
I'm not expert enough to edit the FUBAR page, but I would like to see the page mention how the word is used very often in the conventions of instructions and "help" pages for computer languages. I saw "foo" + "bar" all the time when I was learning Perl. Example: $foo = 1; $bar = 1; $n = $foo + $bar;

So $n = 2. (Maybe I've made a programming mistake here, but... I think the FUBAR article should include "foo" and "bar" as conventional variables for demonstrating the use of variables in computer languages.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

The FUBAR trio
Since the early 60's I became familiar with the FUBAR trio:

SNAFU - Situation Normal, All Fucked Up.

SUSFU - Situation Unchanged, Still Fucked Up.

FUBAR - Fucked Up Beyond All Repair.

These terms were written on inspection slips and/or tags, which were affixed to pieces of electronic equipment to indicate their current status. Dave (talk) 04:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Fubar in Band of Brothers
Although i am not sure if i am confusing it with Saving PR, wasnt fubar used ALOT in band of brothers? If so that could be added to tv/movies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike240se (talk • contribs) 09:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Fubar is used in Saving Private Ryan. The american soldiers heard it from the germans, they said the german word "furchtbar"(awful) but they can't say it, so they say fubar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.47.190.126 (talk) 19:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Most common
Just out of curiosity: why is "the most common" definition listed third? 71.237.51.115 (talk) 13:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Really need a citation
The person who coined the term is obviously unknown, but if its wide use is to be attributed to this person TAYLOR, we need some serious citing source! (Dfoofnik undercover) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.230.234.250 (talk) 01:37, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

"In physics and mathematics, the "fubar" is an imaginary unit of measure"
This part sounds like nonsense to me. Junuxx (talk) 14:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It is nonsense, the editor that added that must have been confused and thinking of Foobar a concept completely unrelated to the acronym FUBAR. L0b0t (talk) 15:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe German Roots
I have no sources but up to now I thought that it is derived from German "furchtbar" what means "terrible". Maybe US marines heard it and used it in a similar context. -- 84.63.157.99 (talk) 17:39, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Furchtbar is not a noun
"FUBAR is slang (mangled German) for the word "Furchtbar," which means terrible or horrible -- the opposite of "Wunderbar." Furcht means fear, literally translated, and the "bar" is added to make it an adverb or noun, as the case may be" Furchtbar is not a noun, but an adjective. Hence furchtbar (and wunderbar) are both uncapitalised. --134.94.172.55 (talk) 15:27, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I removed it as a copy-vio and most likely wrong (not only the spelling) anyway. Thanks, TMCk (talk) 15:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

"Twilight Zone" TV Series Episore - "the lurking horror", "nightcrawlers"
the mind grabbing, downstairs leading tv series "twilight zone" is not good for everyone, but contains some information. there is some psycho stuff in it - truth covered with dark marketing. once i saw a epistode about a marien having a drink in a bar telling his zippo is the only one left or so from his team of nightcrawlers. soldieres of vietnam war. i just wanted to mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.250.177.57 (talk) 16:27, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion
Articles for deletion/FUBAR closed as no consensus on 18 February 2012. The closing admin noted that several editors suggested a merger, but there was no consensus for a specific target.

I propose that FUBAR, BOHICA, SNAFU, and TARFU be merged either to Military slang or to a new page created for the purposed. I would suggest that others !vote specify their preference for merger to Military slang, to a new page, to another existing page, or opposed to merging, but of course any other options are welcome.

(Note that TARFU redirects to Tarfu – or did do, until I added the merge template – which is currently a DAB, but historically was a definition: Things Are Really Fucked Up.) Cnilep (talk) 05:08, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Military slang, as nominator. As I suggested at AfD, that is the actual concept to be discussed. Cnilep (talk) 05:08, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge, but the page should be named list of military slang terms, rather than going to the military slang definition page. And done carefully to maintain as much detail as possible under each term. --Jimthing (talk) 04:15, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * In my experience, "List of..." articles tend to have less detail on each item than non-list articles on those items would. I am think primarily of List of gestures and Regional vocabularies of American English, but see also pages such as List of English words of Russian origin, List of words derived from toponyms, List of English words without rhymes etc. These seem to be less well-sourced and less informative on individual items than might otherwise be the case. I also note that Military slang is currently very short (three sentences). While the topics might warrant two pages, we currently don't have much content. Cnilep (talk) 03:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge. Madman (talk) 04:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge for SNAFU, which seems to have enough content, coverage, and sourcing to stand on its own.--Yaksar (let's chat) 04:52, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to a new page; although SNAFU is clearly the dominant example, all of these are variations of the same theme. bd2412  T 22:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge The articles seem to be stubs or little more than that - and TARFU just leads to a disambiguation page. Andie '' (Leave a message!) 14:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge I would agree with either Military slang or the list of military slang discussed above. Shadowjams (talk) 20:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Discussion seems to be leaning toward merging, but I see no clear consensus on whether the destination should be Military slang or a new list page. I have created a temporary page at User:Cnilep/Acronym slang that I think could become either a page or a section of Military slang. It includes virtually all of the content of SNAFU, the lead section of BOHICA (but not the sections "Variations" and "In popular culture"), and most of FUBAR (but not the section "In computing and technology"). Thoughts? Cnilep (talk) 03:51, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Create new page. No not like that. They should be sectioned (==) under each term, with subsections (===) for the current subsections on any of the current pages. As previously stated use List of military slang terms please, as it's logical, and as Military slang is a definition page. We generally use "List of..." pages on WP (eg's. List of U.S. Navy acronyms and expressions, List of government and military acronyms). Then add a link to the List page onto the definition page (Military slang) itself. And make sure to set proper redirect from current pages to each of these sections on the List page (eg. List of military slang terms). --Jimthing (talk) 13:45, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I worry that a page with sections such as "FUBAR stands for... Its etymology is... It occurs in..." would be deleted as a DICTDEF in very short order. Cnilep (talk) 06:58, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Redirect to Wiktionary
Another editor has proposed redirecting List of military slang terms, which was created as a result of this discussion, to Wiktionary. Please see Talk:List of military slang terms and contribute to the discussion. Cnilep (talk) 00:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)