Talk:Fable II/Archive 1

PC version
I read an article on Eletronic Gaming Monthly about Fable 2 than a PC version has confirmed.

Sadly, I'd imagine that this is speculation by the magazine or else an assumption much along the lines of release date assumption, because I don't see it anywhere on lionhead.com or loinhead.net, the two most reliable sources. The official site still says that it is Xbox 360 exclusive. For now, that's the official word. Sorry! Magugag 19:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Though they're still calling Fable 1 an "X-Box exclusive" http://www.lionhead.com/fable2/news/448 129.2.170.33 07:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Mass Effect was also supposed to be an xbox exclusive, and Jade Empire, and just about any high-end xbox RPG. They all come out for Windows eventually. They'll never admit it upfront though because It could cut into their initial console sales. 69.20.226.218 (talk)

To be honest I think there will eventually be a PC version. See http://www.loinhead.net/2007/03/14/fable-2-for-pc/ Still, I admit its still wishful thinking at the moment and nothing is confirmed. Fitz05 22:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

So it's a safe bet that if it does come out on PC it will be Vista only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.163.253.36 (talk) 18:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Why would it be for vista only? Most people don't like vista. And I'd say that lionhead would want to make money so why sell it to a small number of vista owners then to a lot of XP users (such as myself).
 * It would be Vista only so that people who wan't to play it will be forced to upgrade to Vista. Jasca Ducato (talk) 19:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Because this is how Microsoft forces people onto their new OS every time, they start releasing new software that won't run on the old versions. JamesInOrlando (talk) 19:37, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Spells
Well, I think we have some evidence that we could get a spell page going with one confirmed spell in it so far. Remember in the GDC demonstration, after the dog was injured by the Hobbes? Molyneux noticeably cast a healing spell on the animal in the form of rays of healing light converging on the animal from slightly about it. Could we at this point confirm the healing spell and start a spell section? Magugag 06:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Could've been a healing item... 72.241.165.155 01:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

...And it was just a demo. They've cut out a bit so far. Having said that I don't see them cutting out something as basic as the healing spell, but still, it's not officially confirmed. 58.175.80.186 (talk) 09:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Consoles
Is this being released only for the XBox 360? Not the PC? Michaelritchie200 20:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC) At the moment it has only been announced for the 360. DarthJango42 18:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

You know that's bullcrap. NO game company is foolish enough to not have it's games on the PC. (They'll be swimming in Benjamins if they release this for the PC.)

- Actually, it's not...Do you see Halo 3 on the PC yet? Besides, it's also a very good way to make extra profit, because if it turns out to be a very good game, people might buy a Xbox 360 just for that game, like me and my brothers did for Halo 3... I do hope I am allowed to write here. I also made several changes in the article, such as correcting typing errors, etc. If I am not allowed here, please say so and I will try to ignore the temptation to help.

It probably will be released on PC like most Xbox 360 games, but it could be up to half a year or later after the Xbox 360 release, and that may not happen, it didnt for Fable.

It did, but it was called Fable the lost chapters and had some extra features. A pc release still isn't confirmed though so there is no reason to put it in the farticle.

"Farticle"? lol, it will make its way to the PC all Xbox exclusive and 360 exclusive games have, though i'd say it would be Vista exclusive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.123.13 (talk) 08:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

-- http://www.lionhead.com/fable2/about.html   Format: DVD for the Xbox 360 video game system      It's not being released for the PC, though it may be available for the PC much later, as with any game that comes out on console. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Forveya (talk • contribs) 05:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed facts
Some of the confirmed facts seem unclear or as they're stated should not be considered confirmed. QuasiAbstract 04:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC) -Oh, just browse those links down the bottom (the gamespot one). I found the articles (though I don't have time to find them for you now). It's all true if you take Peter M's word for it. Not sure about the other than Albion thing though. I didn't read all of it.
 * "The game may be set on another continent than Albion.": If it "may be", it isn't confirmed. Also, with other items stated, it seems that the game will be set in Albion.  Or is this talking about that other continents may be involved including Albion?
 * "Property can now be properly invested in...": How is it going to be different from the first Fable?
 * "The designer wants to reproduce a theme of unconditional love in your children.": What exactly does this mean?
 * "The player can plant an acorn into the ground and watch it grow into an oak tree." Only oak trees are available to plant or is this just an example that vegetation can be planted?
 * "Images found online taken from X06 show a new area called Bloodstone which appears to be a coastal dock-style area for ships." & "Other images from X06 also hint heavily at pirates making an appearance and indicate that the "whores" of Albion, as named in the image, will also reappear in Fable 2.": Is it possible to have stated images posted, as there is no link (that I've found) to said images, so reference to them is almost pointless.
 * this game is also avalable for windows & mac.

-- Will do. QuasiAbstract 06:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

i wonder if scythe will make an appearance, i believe he will..

Does somebody knows the official release date? Because everyone is saying a diferent one. (DenisseClark 04:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC))

-- Okay, regarding your questions about the confirmed facts: As for the other questions... *falls over and dies* --Averross 14:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The unconditional love thing means that your characters kids will respect you no matter what kind of horrible things you.
 * I'm pretty sure that only oak trees have acorns. I could be wrong, though.
 * Yes, oak trees have acorns, but the question was more, "Is oak the only type of tree".QuasiAbstract 15:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that an oak is the only type of tree.Why would anyone use only one type of tree in a game?

"this game is also avalable for windows & mac." Uh... 'fraid not chum. So far, this game is only registered for release on the Xbox 360. While there is a strong possibility of computer releases, there is no concrete information. Magugag 22:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

To be honest i dont think there are any 'confirmed' facts, there were apparantly confirmed facts up to two weeks before the release for Fable yet practically half the promised gameplay was missing. I wouldnt trust molyneux to introduce half the stuff that he said he will and has shown at this early stage, sure its refreshing to have someone whos really into a project that their working on, but he did in all fairness, lie, about what would be in the first Fable.

-- Yes, but now the lionhead team has more than quadrupled their staff and Peter has been very honest about features to be released with the game (he's shown them off at interviews, gdc etc.)

Reconfirm facts
If someone has some time on their hands, can they reconfirm the items listed? While a lot of the vandalism seems to be gone, others seem possible vandalism. QuasiAbstract 20:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC) This is DarthJango42, I'm posting the list of facts and I'll say which ones I've definitely heard of and post links if I can find them. Only the September ones because the July ones seem mostly plausible. Also, I'm new at this so I'm not sure how to shorten to links so if someone wants to do that to this list, they can.

NOTE: For the http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/x360/previews/fable-2-cd600a.html source, take special note of paragraph 7 which states that not all of these features may make the cut. Also the last paragraph says we may see Fable 2 in action at March although this could definitely change. Here's a page with the whore, pirates, and bloodstone images. And some other stuff too. http://alterego.vault.ign.com/files/extras/fable2concept.php

On September 29, 2006 Lionhead's Peter Moleyneux gave a preview of Fable 2 at X06:

In the http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=146894&skip=yes source, they say the main bad guy is named Lucien who will try to harm your family if have one. So far anyways, the only rumor I haven't been able to find anything about is the die comeback one (the last one) which I don't even really get anyway, so there. Everyone else can decide what to do with this stuff. DarthJango42 02:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The Hero starts as a street urchin. http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/x360/previews/fable-2-cd600a.html and http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=146894&skip=yes
 * The player will be able to choose his or her character's gender. Their bodies will mature accordingly as they age or level up in experience. http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/x360/previews/fable-2-cd600a.html and http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=146894&skip=yes
 * Property can now be properly invested in, and you will also be able to buy things like castles or even catacombs. http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/x360/previews/fable-2-cd600a.html
 * It is now possible to have children, whether you are playing as a female or a male. http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/x360/previews/fable-2-cd600a.html and http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=146894&skip=yes
 * The designer wants to reproduce a theme of unconditional love in your children. http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/x360/previews/fable-2-cd600a.html and http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=146894&skip=yes
 * The player may now choose from protected sex to unprotected sex. http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/x360/previews/fable-2-cd600a.html
 * The player can plant an acorn into the ground and watch it grow into an oak tree. http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/x360/previews/fable-2-cd600a.html
 * The player can affect the future of a camp by choosing to finance it or slay everyone inside. http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/x360/previews/fable-2-cd600a.html and http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=146894&skip=yes
 * The Hero's child is affected by the Hero's actions. This means that if the Hero is evil, his child will be too. http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/x360/previews/fable-2-cd600a.html
 * Images found online taken from X06 show a new area called Bloodstone which appears to be a coastal dock-style area for ships. http://alterego.vault.ign.com/files/extras/photos/2.jpg
 * Other images from X06 also hint heavily at pirates making an appearance and indicate that the "whores" of Albion, as named in the image, will also reappear in Fable 2. http://alterego.vault.ign.com/files/extras/photos/4.jpg http://alterego.vault.ign.com/files/extras/photos/8.jpg
 * The improved combat system will mean that the way the hero swings his sword changes according to proximity of walls, allies, and enemies. http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/x360/previews/fable-2-cd600a.html
 * The game will have a multiplayer portion. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=148656?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS NOTE: He did not confirm multiplayer, he has only confirmed a spectator mode so far where people can watch each other play. http://www.answers.com/topic/fable-2 (It says Molyneux hints at a multiplayer portion in some G4 interview which I haven't been able to find.)
 * You will now be able to take jobs as such as barman, a farmer, or even a prostitute. http://alterego.vault.ign.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62
 * Your character will age, as the game takes place over 50 years http://alterego.vault.ign.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62
 * The Hero will be able to have a companion, most likely a dog. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=128840 However, considering that this is a year old and absolutely nothing has been said about it since (except for rumors), I wouldn't really count on this one...
 * There will be an online element with a team mechanic. http://alterego.vault.ign.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62
 * If you die, you can not return so you have to restart/load the game.

Don't you think they are over exxagurating like what they did with the original Fable? So much for carving a name on a tree, lol. --Eiyuu Kou 16:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Nah, They are really reigning in mr peter this time, they are only focusing on things that are comfirmed to be in the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.32.92.202 (talk) 00:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There's a very good item for rumour control on the Fable II official forums at http://community.lionhead.com/forums/thread/2859601.aspx KASanderson (talk) 17:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Yo Momma
The latest person to edit the page, yo momma (I'm just calling him that since there is no name in the history of the page and the comment he left was yo momma), left a vulgar comment at the end of the list of confirmed facts. Some of the confirmed facts don't make sense, like there will be "uncool" twists and you can have a companion that is a rapist. Are there any citations that can confirm the confirmations? Otherwise I will have to assume that yo momma messed with the page.

Rhymingisfun 02:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

In response to Yo Momma
The person you call Yo Momma was vandalizing the page,This is confirmed because you can not have a rapist as your companion from known evidence and they also added to fact below that and I quote "Why are you reading this Bitch?"That is what he put after that and I think this vadalization should be fixed as soon as possible. --Grabnar 04:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Peter Molyneux at GDC 2007
Should we put in that Peter Molyneux is going to have an 80-minute session at GDC in March just about Fable 2 and reveal a new "unexpected" feature of the game? In this session, he will also likely reveal tons of other new info on the game as well. http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/753/753870p1.html So should we put this in the article? DarthJango42 03:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC) —Definately. I'd add it but I'm not sure where to put it.Stu42 21:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)Stu42


 * I'll add it. Incidentally, does anyone have a source on the talk Molyneux had with G4? fel64 08:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Theres a video about it on G4's website. You can find it easy if you do a search for "Molyneux." Not sure how to cite it though. --Ryudo 06:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Searched for Molyneux, got a whole bunch of results. I watched the most likelies but none of them mentioned online play (I'm interested because it's listed as a source for the 'known facts'). Unfortunately their system is incredibly inconvenient for linking - maybe you can describe exactly how to get to that video? In any case, I would cite by giving the quotation, the timespan and the video location. fel64 16:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Rewriting page
I think it would be good to rewrite this page - it's just a huge mess now, especially that list of facts. I've put what I'm working on as one of my user pages here. Basically I will be rewriting the introduction and the confirmed facts thing mainly for a different page structure. One of my reasons is WP:LAUNDRY. Comments/criticisms/vetoes? fel64 16:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, just remember to include everything. And put cites so we can get rid of that "does not cite its sources" thing. DarthJango42 04:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My main problem is that quoting videos in terribly inconvenient. Once something is sorted out about that it'll be finished, possibly earlier anyway. fel64 17:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I just replaced the page. Please make any changes necessary or even revert (with discussion first though please). I am involved with Loinhead, and I have linked to it - but that was in cases where I thought it was genuinely the best/only source for the information. fel64 17:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Right, next person to post made up stuff in it will be chased by a banana. Hi fel. Grymsqueaker 10:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Tell me if I'm wrong, but does Fable 2 have random generated worlds? I've never heard anything about this, and I'm a member of the lionhead forums, found here: http:allboards.lionhead.com


 * Yo Kal!
 * Anonymous: You're wrong. Probably. There hasn't been anything at all to suggest that. Please sign comments by the way. :) fel64 17:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that was me, I forgot to sign it. It was one of the things that was in the article, that's all. Grymsqueaker 08:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism?
There is something at the end of the storyline section of questionable truth. But I'm not removing anything yet. 124.177.183.208 07:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That was just crazy. I reverted it. Thanks. fel64 09:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Fan sites
There is a small list of fan sites on Lionhead's web site that I would like to make referance to here with out them being constantly deleated http://www.lionhead.com/fable2/links.html --Toddquest 12:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toddquest (talk • contribs) 01:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

Vandalism?
I think there has been vandalism to the page.... You will notice in the article quoted from Molyneux things like "you are destined, in that story, to bring together a group of heroes rather like the Magnificent 7." and "The camera follows the dump down, it comes down, the crap lands on this kid’s head - that’s you".

The quote also refers to Peter Molyneux in third person so it probably isn't authentic (I wouldn't think). The page it is referenced from is a site called www.loinhead.net - loinhead not lionhead, so I would assume from a quick look at it that it is a parody site.

You can also see some dubious comments about the dog and various other bits of the article...

This is the first time ive ever posted a comment or anything on wikipedia and I don't know what to do to fix an article, so this is all I can really do.. anyone who can help it would be good to keep the article accurate.

If I'm wrong and it hasn't been vandalised then my apologies.

Thanks, NW

(203.123.116.249 12:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC))

Loinhead is an actual fan site and quite reliable. "you are destined, in that story, to bring together a group of heroes rather like the Magnificent 7." sounds like vandalism, however I'm not so sure about "The camera follows the dump down, it comes down, the crap lands on this kid’s head - that’s you". I know at least part of that is true... its meant to be the introduction. I'll have a look and see if I can root out some of the stuff. Fitz05 13:51, 8 July 2007 (UTC) I had a check and read over those parts. Theres been no vandalism that I could spot. Loinhead is actually quite a good source of information about various lionhead games, you should check it out. Fitz05 13:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh ok will do. I assumed it was a parody site just by looking at the name 'loinhead', sorry. I'll check it out. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

(203.123.116.250 08:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC))

_______________________

Sorry, just dropping this link:

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/741/741361/vids_1.html

Check out the E3 demo there, we get to see the combat, as well as some remarks on death, the development progress, and release date. Update the wiki!

Settlments
This section doesn't seem to quote any sources, or anything... and as a fable enthusiast, i dont seem to remember at any point Peter Molyneux stating that there would be multiple settlements that the hero can influence in this way. I think a change is needed. Sneidich88 03:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Molyneux vs. Jackson
In the storyline section (second paragraph) it says "Peter Molyneux" rather than "Peter Jackson". So I'm fixing it. The talk is trascribed somewhere already if you need proof, and Molyneux has no reason to refer to himself in third person. T. M. Mitchells 13:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

That was rightfully changed back121.218.200.77 (talk) 10:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Bias?
In the section with information regarding in-game marriage, sex and family I suggest we remove "The player's child or children will look upon the player as an example, as real children do." Don't you think it is a bit biased? Eatspie (talk) 20:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Generally, family is a primary socialization factor, and most children do end up similarly as their parents do. However, I do agree that the sentence is extremely generalized.  I don't believe it should be outright removed, but edited. ~ QuasiAbstract (talk/contrib) 08:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It could be referring to merely very young children, who tend to idealize their parents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.153.21.215 (talk) 00:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

'Game mechanics' category
Shouldn't all discussion about features in the game (in example, Death and Combat) be moved under a 'Game mechanics' or 'Features' category? --85.250.248.249 (talk) 21:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks odd...
Am I the only one that feels that this article does not look right, like the formatting is off? Rau's Speak Page 00:00, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's typical of unreleased games. The closer to release, the more defined and compact it will become as details solidify. JAF1970 (talk) 00:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So its going to be like this indefinitely? Great... Rau's Speak Page 01:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The article has required clean up for some time now, but as stated above, such a disorganized format is to be expected for an unreleased game. Once Fable 2 has been released, the article will take on a much more organized look, just like any other video game article in wikipedia. On a side note though, this still doesn't mean that the article is fine as it is now, if anybody is willing to clean it up... I'm not volunteering though.

Release date
The official release date has been announced by Lionhead as October 21, 2008. How old is this article, anyway? Nrbnerd17 (talk)Nrbnerd17

Please dont edit the release date until Lion head or a reputable source confirms it.Blaze of merc (talk) 20:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The constant release date changes are a bit out of hand. I came onto the article a while back and found that the info box had been merged with the openning paragraphs of the article, all because the person who last changed the release date added an extra bracket in. Even worse, whoever did it didn't give any thought to fix it, nor did anybody who updated the article afterwards. This article should probably be locked until the game is released, but than it couldn't be updated with new information about the game.
 * Some muppets screwing up the formatting doesn't merit a lock.--Stu42 (talk) 23:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course it doesn't, but constant changes back and forth of one little detail, that has no real conformation in the first place, and by those very same "muppets", sort of does. However, as I mentioned before, it's a bit too drastic for an article about a game that hasn't been released yet and is constantly being updated with new information.


 * Tug o' war over a date goes nowhere.


 * I'd like it to say Holiday 2008. I won't change it, but if you guys don't object I'd like you to change it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.72.113.212 (talk) 23:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You can't say holiday b/c that not the real date, just wait for the real date.--Lbrun12415 00:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I edited this beside the release date on the article just now, and I'll put it here too. There is a rumor going around that the games release date is October 1st, 2008. This date is posted up at IGN, not Lionhead Studios. Now I'm no researcher, and I don't really care much for wikipedia, however I do not like the idea of leaving an unconfermed release date for a game, life get to that date, and disappoint everybody who read that date, all because it was inaccurate. From my understanding, IGN information can be changed by any user, therefore it isn't credible. If someone can prove this otherwise, please state a credible source along with any changes made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.90.142.71 (talk) 00:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Request for semi protection.
Due to people blanking the page (not eve signed in and vandalism) can we at least make it so only established users can edit it?Blaze of merc (talk) 13:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I second this. There's been a lot of vandalism here lately.--Stu42 (talk) 18:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Request it. There is no need for discussion because if it passes, editors are pleased, and if it fails there is no harm no foul. But I will put in a request. Rau's Speak Page 02:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Rau's Speak Page 03:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey is it possible to get it protected again? i would request it but i dont know how Blaze of merc (talk) 05:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Go to WP:RFPP, but I doubt if it will pass. Make your request there and support your claim. I do not think that it needs it, but I also do not pay much attention to this page. Rau's Speak Page 19:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Ref
Please make sure you guys see the ref one of them was to prove the game comes out on holiday 2008. When you look at the ref, it states nothing about holiday.--Lbrun12415 00:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)0

Holiday 2008 is just a rumor, it has not been confirmed or denied (to my knowledge)but sources close to me (many sites and people in game stores) all point to early September to the middle of November (these are through eb games's current day to me guessing seeing what happened last year in November(with all those big name games coming out in the middle on November)but i guess November technically is in the holidays), well thats my two centsBlaze of merc (talk) 05:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

question
when I pre-ordered the game today they said it will be out on OCT 2nd. I'm not sure if this is true or not but I will look into it.--Lbrun12415 00:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Please see the section on the talk page above regarding the release date - retailers guess and no date has yet been confirmed. KASanderson (talk) 17:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Framerate
I just saw the E3'08 demo of it and what, is the game supposed to run at 18 fps or was it just that demo/online game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.45.29.205 (talk) 00:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

They're likely still working on enhancing it to make it run faster. The final product will likely have a better framerate than what was seem now. Betas tend to have a lower framerate before optimization. 74.37.101.49 (talk) 01:37, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Orphan Error?
In the GDC annoucement, the co-op player killed Molyneux's husband. Molyneux then called his son an orphan. This is not true, as he is still alive himself! There is some more info in the main page that says that you can go visit the 'orphaned' son in a orphanage.

I just came to complain, 'cos this should not happen. Armareum (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Your character, in that case the mother, is away to much on quests and shiz. So it would be considered extreme neglect to leave the child at home, hence the orphanage. Jasca Ducato (talk) 16:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

tidy
I'm currently attempting to tidy the article - please be patient...87.102.86.73 (talk) 16:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC) done.

DONE

"the player", "molyneaux"
The article repeats these two terms over and over again... (not a good thing).87.102.86.73 (talk) 16:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've tried to cut down on the use of 'molyneaux', ('peter molyneaux' is the person's name.)87.102.86.73 (talk) 17:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

DONE

split into gameplay / features
Is this split ok? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fable_II&diff=228427420&oldid=228425930

Main tidy up effort
Would anyone like to check this article http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fable_II&oldid=228425930 and make suggestions87.102.86.73 (talk) 17:16, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the 'cleanup tag' after editing the page. Hope it is ok for now...87.102.86.73 (talk) 14:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Is October 21st 2008 the real release date?
The official websites just say October and in E3 2008 it was announced for October but they didn't list a date. I'd say the game is most likely to come out in early October, probably October 7th, then Fallout 3 on November 18th, a year after Mass Effect came out. Please consider the release date. Dragonblades (talk) 09:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Gamespot is a pretty reliable source. They give sources for information, and it isn't user run. It could be that official sites simply haven't been updated, or that the information isn't supposed to be out yet. Either way, they have a solid source. Rau's Speak Page 05:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

According to the retailer websites ship date is Oct 21 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.247.54 (talk • contribs)
 * Retailers aren't reliable. They say things to make you buy the product. Rau's Speak Page 05:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

well until there is an official announcement its the best thing to go off of —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.144.152 (talk) 17:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

The official announcment is UK realease 24th October Prof Tubs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.207.160.254 (talk) 12:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

--Ged UK (talk) 12:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC) Scratch that, I found it, and it's already in the article. --Ged UK (talk) 13:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

removal from 'dog' - comment
Removed this:
 * It was also revealed that the player's dog can become injured from combat, but cannot die. If the dog is injured, it's possiable for the player to run away from the dog. However, the dog will continue to follow the player and will soon catch up to the player. For instance, the player runs away from his/her injured dog and the player went into a pub. If the player stays there long enough, there will be scratching at the door. A NPC will then open the door and the player's dog will be standing there. NPCs that witness this will have negitive thoughts about the player.

Please don't add every single piece of info. you can find - this article is not a game guide, or a synopsis of all the previews made a available etc.87.102.86.73 (talk) 15:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

removals
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fable_II&diff=229766509&oldid=229765543

The 'disclaimer' is not good practice - it represents infered opinion..

The dog section does not need the extra paragraph - this is not a game guide, or an exhuastive list of the features in the game. Please discuss if you disagree.87.102.5.5 (talk) 12:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I removed this During the development the following features are planned. For comparison it should be remembered that when making the first Fable game Lionhead failed to include features that Peter Molyneux had mentioned while the game was still in development.

Does anyone disagree?87.102.5.5 (talk) 20:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I do. Sensemaker


 * I concur. It's already covered by the  banner with the text "The content may change substantially as more information becomes available."  That covers the planned features. No need to mention it again.  Further, it's not our place to make comparisons. ~ QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 17:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Condense the article
The article is too long, and too "list-y". JAF1970 (talk) 15:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Update: Gold is not gold in the game
The gold you earn in Fable II Pub Games is turned into XP instead, on a 1 gp = 1 XP ratio. JAF1970 (talk) 17:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC) In Fable II Pub Games it's self. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.245.38.202 (talk) 19:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Source? Jasca Ducato (talk) 18:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

It shows right on a add on the xbox marketplace that you can transfer your gold into Fable 2 as currency, does not say XP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.59.2 (talk) 18:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the distinction is gold earned in tournaments goes over as gold, yet gold outside of tournaments is transferred as XP Olog-hai (talk) 23:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the confusion about gold being transfered as XP is from an article where Peter said that even if you lose you are gaining XP. By that he meant points to level up your pub game character. Any "winnings" are transfered as gold, and gold only. There is no way to have gold trasnfered as XP.--StealthyVlad (talk) 07:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Features "disclaimer"
I'd like to know something. How is "During the development the following features are planned. For comparison when making the first Fable game Lionhead failed to include features that Peter Molyneux had mentioned while the game was still in development." better than "The following features are planned, however due to changing developmental planning, all features may not appear in the retail version. For example, while Fable was in development, Peter Molyneux had mentioned several features that were not in the final build." or vice versa? How are either version necessary if we know that all the features will be in the game? ~ QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 19:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's necessary because a major falling point for Fable (and by extension Fable: TLC) was the fact that PM promised many things which never appeared, such as the Sandgoose or the ability to watch trees grow and more; both of which have been added to this game. This is something PM makes a big point of almost everytime the words "Fable II" come out of his mouth. Jasca Ducato (talk) 22:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I read the "disclaimer" as being "features may or may not be in the final version", but if you're saying "features promised in Fable but did not appear, now appear in Fable II" it needs to be rewritten to say that. ~ QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 22:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 22:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "diaries" :
 * Diaries redirect
 * Lionshead Studios Video Diaries
 * "gsuk" :
 * Molyneux: Three more Fables on the way
 * 

Should......
Should a section about jobs and questing be added? For example, the kind of jobs the player would be able to do, or how questing would work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathan de USA (talk • contribs) 21:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No. Wikipedia is not a game guide and that kind of information is trivial to the overall game. Just a mention that the character can take jobs and will quest is sufficient. ~ QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 11:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Dual
can we dual wield —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.213.105 (talk) 20:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reference for that? If not, then no. If so, as long as you properly reference it, then yes. ~ QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 07:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He was just asking a question not stating that he had heard information about dual wielding.--StealthyVlad (talk) 07:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I see. I think I got a bit dyslexic when I first read it as "we can dual wield". ~ QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 07:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Master Chief
I think the edit that adds the fact that Master Chief will make a cameo should be removed. On the official Lionhead website they only say that otherworldy content is recieved when playing the LE edition. Any other statements is speculation, by both the editors and other gaming websites.--StealthyVlad (talk) 07:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's this. What I'm not clear on is whether that's a suit of armour you can unlock and wear yourself, or if the Chief will be a character you can interact with. Master Deusoma (talk) 05:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Online competitions
I have not seen anything on the web about the online competitions and sense there is no source cited, I think someone should just go ahead delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.219.84 (talk) 20:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * What the Online Competitions is talking about is little contests that lionhead did on there website that would later affect the game, such as "Make Your Own Title", you can view the old contests at Lionhead.--StealthyVlad (talk) 07:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Pub Games
Where did Pub Games go? JAF1970 (talk) 16:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Here. Master Deusoma (talk) 05:33, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
In the Family paragraph it says that it will be possible to have sex with animals too whereas of course it's completely possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theowlnet (talk • contribs) 18:37, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you can have sex with whatever you want i fable 2, jeezs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.220.126 (talk) 12:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm pretty sure that beastiality would not be in any computer game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.207.160.254 (talk) 12:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

ok, your right —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.41.247 (talk) 21:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

question
I have a question. If the player is allowed to marry same sex why don't we see other characters with same sex marrages? For example say if the player goes to a town and goes into a house why don;t they see a man and another man living together or even two women living together?--Lbrun12415 18:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you know we don't? It may have been the case in Fable and Fable:TLC but that doesn't mean it is necessarily the case in Fable II. Jasca Ducato (talk) 19:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * And if it is true, the only people who can answer the question are Lionhead. --Ged UK (talk) 20:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

aging
anyone know if your character ages in the game like in the last one? and if so do your family/ other npcs? maybe worth putting that in the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeansaregoodyes (talk • contribs) 15:26, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I recall reading somewhere that you age by a certain amount each part of the main plot you go through, so you could spend 100's of hours but not age a day if you neglect the main quests. That said, where I read that escapes me. If someone else knows where it was stated the citation would be appreciated. 203.219.92.185 (talk) 09:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Dog i.e. Renee question
Did anyone from the Fable team say you can rename the Dog??--Lbrun12415 19:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Lionhead has given you the option to name it yourself, in-game the dog is regarded as Dog. You as the player, can physically name it yourself adding to the game experience. BreakingPixels (talk) 11:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Limited Edition bad news
Today on 1st October i've recieved the e-mail from GAME.co.uk, where i've made the preorder of Fable II: LE. here it is:

"Dear Customer,

We have just been informed by Microsoft this afternoon that there is a significant supply chain issue regarding the contents of the Fable II Limited Edition. This affects the entire market.

They have advised us that neither the figurine nor the fate cards are going to be available. Which is incredibly frustrating!

However the Limited Edition WILL still come with a bonus disk with all Lionhead developer diaries, concept art viewer, music from soundtrack and new behind the scenes making of video footage, as well as bonus in-game content.

We have lowered the price of the limited edition to £39.99 to reflect the altered contents. I do hope this goes some way to alleviating your disappointment.

Please accept our sincerest apologies for any inconvenience caused.

Kind regards, Customer Services GAME.co.uk"

It's also reported by other customers, the link is here: http://forums.xbox.com/23035615/ShowPost.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipinkbear (talk • contribs) 19:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I also read that the collectors case itself has been dumped as well - I think it was on the lionhead website. As from the 6th Oct there will be music aailable to download as a sorry 202.12.233.21 (talk) 08:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like even more may have been cut with the Developer Diaries not making it to the bonus DVD - sort of makes this nothing at all like a Limited Edition. I am at work so I cant link it, but gamespot reported this. Olog-hai (talk) 01:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * This is the official release from Lionhead Studios. Mjf3719 (talk) 13:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Early release in India
The game will be released 1 week before the US release in India http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-207228.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.137.45.230 (talk) 14:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Minor Changes
I've made some minor changes to gramatical errors, aswell as some facts that were misleading. I've also cleared up the confusion on the Online section, as it has now been announced and confirmed the game will arrive with online co-op features. Any problems, please don't hesitate to contact me. BreakingPixels (talk) 11:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Past Fable
I was wondering, how will Lionhead treat the events of Fable 1? For example, how the F1 hero's actions (Good, evil, etc.) effect the F2 world? Will they even reference F1 at all? Even if they do, will they include the added events of Lost Chapters or not? Will immortal characters like Scythe and Jack of Blades appear? Remember, it is possible for Jack of Blades to have survived F1LC if the hero goes completely evil. I could goo on and on, but suffice to say, I have been looking for these answers myself, but so far, the answers elude me.66.41.44.102 (talk) 11:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, TLC is "canon", you can see that if you read the "Tales of Albion" on their developers website. As for which ending is canon, we're not sure yet but if they're smart, they'll add something similar to what they did in KotOR II, slipping in discreet questions in order to ascertain your characters end. If they have to make you choose an ending though, I hope they'll choose the evil one (too many good endings out and about nowadays). Jasca Ducato (talk) 13:37, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Sexual Orientation - Visual Appearance
I believe I'm right in assuming that the sexual preference of the player will not affect their visual appearance. If so, then someone will need to amend the main page to alter this as I removed the line that previously said this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.112.10 (talk) 15:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Fair point, and I've removed it again. I put the line back in again, because you didn't use an edit summary. Using an edit summary helps clarify the reasons for your changes! :) --Ged UK (talk) 15:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It still appears to be part of the "character alignment system", no? Whether it affects physical appearance or not. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it was in the character morphing section, which is about how the physical appearance of the character changes. Maybe the section needs renaming and refocusing? --Ged UK (talk) 15:46, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Broken street dates
K-Mart has broken the street date by nearly a week. I don't know if this is only in Australia, but many people still seem to be getting copies at K-Mart still (as of Oct 18,2008). They are also selling it overpriced for 99.00. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.93.246 (talk) 20:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Any proof, sources? I really don't think that this should be included in the wiki without some. Particually the fact about MS demanding Gears Of Wars be released later.--69.225.94.8 (talk) 11:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Heres an article on the matter http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/10/k-mart_slapped_for_breaking_fable_2_release_date.html Although they cite 'numerous independent sources' so its not worth much more than nothing, but its still something. I've also heard claims that, since K-mart already broke it, the release date has been bumped up to the 21st, with a number of people on forums claiming their retailers have contacted them to pick up their preorder. Can anyone get some verification on that? 203.219.157.227 (talk) 12:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't source it. But it has happened so it's bound to be reported somewhere sometime soon. I picked up my two copys from an EB in Brisbane this morning. Now I just got to finish work :( Rekija (talk) 02:30, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Gay marriage?
Is Fable II the first game to support gay marriage? Just askin'  S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 19:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The Sims – xeno  ( talk ) 19:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No the first Fable allowed you to have gay marriage, though there where no special cinimatics. 209.169.244.29 (talk) 23:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Dog?
It seems that the new dog feature will play an important part in the game it is confirmed so i think the addition should be noted —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.178.180.175 (talk) 09:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Erm, it has been noted. Jasca Ducato (talk) 10:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

OXM : 8.0
Just to expand on the article, OXM (Official Xbox Magazine) game Fable II 8.0, source : http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=6641. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.46.78 (talk • contribs) 20:51, October 21, 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅, cheers – xeno  ( talk ) 20:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Release Date
the recent x box 360 magizine stated the relese date as september —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.74.249.3 (talk) 19:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Play.com puts the release date as 27/10/2007. http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/1012390/Fable_2/Product.html Michaelritchie200 09:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I saw that somewhere else too. It seems pretty practical but we can't put it for the official release date. DarthJango42 18:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Best Buy puts the date as 10/15/2007  Predated 21:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Peter molyneux said 2008 at GDC. If were going to put a releasedate, I think this one's more reliableStu42 22:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Link in the first paragraph also states 2008. Lionhead.com is a pretty official source. --CCFreak2K 07:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

In the video demonstation released on July 12, 2007 on the IGN website, Peter Molyneux has stated that the release date would be sometime between July and the autumn of 2008, but more than likely the fall since he states that the game will take some time to polish it up.

I just looked at Play.com, and the website showed that Fable 2 is due for release on 12/12/2008. I still believe that it will be release during Fall of 2008. Nicoli20 (talk) 04:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Umm, gamestop.com has set the release date for October 1, 2008. Being that this is fairly consistent with the Q3 08 prediction, I believe that seems like an appropriate date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.78.177 (talk) 00:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Any information regarding anything that sits in wikipedia requires a source for that information. If there is a release date announced by a reliable source to it, than go ahead and edit this article to state that date. Otherwise the Q3 2008 date that sits now will be fine until then. Just be sure to include that source along with any editing that is done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.90.147.178 (talk) 01:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The release date of 10/1/08 needs to be removed. Any dates on websites other than Lionhead's are not correct, since only THEY know when it actually is.  All they have said is that it is in 2008 and will be when the "leaves turn brown".  Considering Lionhead are British this would probably mean August/September anyway not as late as october.  But who knows? Which is exactly why it shouldn't be there! 91.105.132.45 (talk) 14:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Otherwise reliable sources (retailers, trusted review sites) are notorious for speculating about the release dates of video games. Only a Lionhead source meets WP:RS. -Rushyo (talk) 23:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The release date for Fable II has officially been confirmed as October 21, 2008.Nrbnerd17 (talk)Nrbnerd17
 * It says in the article (and has for a while) that the date is 21 October. ~ QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 11:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Someone needs to remove the "finally." It's two years and "finally" isn't a very neutral word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khanstant (talk • contribs) 19:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Ged UK (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Reviews
I added IGN's review, and i tried to add IGN UK's review but i couldn't get it to display. Can anyone tell me what I did wrong? OXM Uk rated Fable II as 8/10 -  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wardenusa (talk • contribs) 17:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I dont know how to sorry, but I was wondering if someone could add xplays review to the reception area http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/reviews/1850/Fable_II.html they gave it a 5/5. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grapknight (talk • contribs) 03:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Limited Edition - Problems
'''If you could include this little snippet underneath the Limited Edition section, that would be great. Typed it up last night and have links for referances already embedded in the two paragraphs.''' —Preceding unsigned comment added by CerisCinderwolf (talk • contribs) 00:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Upon the game's release on October 21, 2008, several units of the Fable 2: Limited Edition products were found to be missing an integral part of the item: the Downloadable Content. As a result, many players were unable to obtain the in-game items such as "Hal's Outfit" and "Hal's Sword", "The Wreckager" Legendary Cutlass Weapon, as well as the "Hall of the Dead" Dungeon.

Microsoft quickly noticed the error just slightly ahead of time prior to the release date. On October 20, 2008, Microsoft publicly admitted the issue, stating that they are "currently investigating the scope of this situation" and that "this represents a small fraction of the total number of "Fable II" games shipped and sold, and is contained to the Limited Collector's Edition of the game in North America." Microsoft had also announced that the following week by October 28, 2008, they would "have a means to deliver replacement codes by Oct 28th" and to "please check back then. --CerisCinderwolf (talk) 05:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)CerisCinderwolf

Problem with the reception
Some of the reviews are not showing up, could someone fix that please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grapknight (talk • contribs) 11:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Videogamer.com still doesn't show up, due to it not actually being included in the template currently. Bob1983 has requested that it be added to the template. - kollision (talk) 12:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

"Death" Penalty Talked About in Episode 6 of Diary?
I THINK (Don't quote me on this) that someone said on the latest developer diary that when your HP hits 0, you lose some XP, there's a music sting, and your character lets out this burst of energy, knocking all the enemies away, ala Crackdown when you level a skill. Did anybody else watch that video and hear that? Can that be confirmed?

Also, please excuse me if I screwed anything up. This was kinda my first talk page deal.

74.37.110.91 (talk) 18:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes this is true, something like a EXP burst takes place and you rise, now its not know if all your exp is drained or if its what you got recently like in the past ten minutesBlaze of merc (talk) 20:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * According to the manual, you leap up with a burst of strength, lose XP and gain scars instead of actually dying. S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 20:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Could somebody add something about the previous death mechanic, whereby if the hero had any children, they would take over his/her legacy. I believe that Molyneux and co got rid of this feature as players would just have loads of children so that they could pretty much be invincible. i would edit the page to include this, but I must admit that I don't know how. AWJ1993 (talk) 13:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Inaccurate details
In the Online section, it says "The mode of co-op is somewhat similar to that of Lego Star Wars: The Video Game; in that players are able to drop in and out of other player's games at will." however, Lego Star Wars: The Video Game doesn't have online multiplayer at all. I believe it used to say Gears of War, which would be more accurate. I think whomever edited the article may have been referring to the camera angle in co-op. I think it would be a better if someone could edit that to be more specific. --LoneGrenade (talk) 00:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Except that you can drop in and out of multiplayer in Lego: Star Wars: The Complete Saga ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 02:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Use of Condoms to Prevent Pregnancy & Stds
The game with its sex, pregnancy etc. uses condoms as a symbol of the realistic approach. I couldn't find anything on here, but I feel it's an important (and entertaining feature): fable condom Anyone care to add it? Wikisisou (talk) 21:03, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Add cleavers and those blunderbuss things to the weapons list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.85.20 (talk) 01:02, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

4 seasons
As I've been playing through, I've only noticed twice what seemed to be season changes and it only happened after a major events in the plot. Can't find any sources confirming or denying if dynamic seasons even exist in the final game.--75.68.134.170 (talk) 06:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * O_e. The only time I've ever seen it snow was at "Winter Lodge". Seriously one of the most scary places in all of Albion. I'm serious. You play the Lute for the Bloodstone Demon Door, and it opens, and when you go in, you find a nice quaint home. Or so you think. When you step into the house, the lights flicker off, and a bunch of torture devices and skeletons appear on the ground. But there's a Master Longsword in a Silver Key chest on the top floor! :D Moocowsrule (talk) 05:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule

Death
This isn't in the article yet and it's locked so I thought I'd mention it here but when the players Hero dies all uncollected experience disappears and they will receive permanent scars unless they have a Resurrection Phial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antz the great (talk • contribs) 12:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you missed the death section or was just pointing out how it was incorrect. I've fixed it anyway. Rekija (talk) 23:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Issues and Bugs section?
It may be a good idea to include a Section on Issues with this game. A lot of people, including myself have constant experience of Freezing throughout the game, both before applying the patch for Online Co-op and after. There is a discussion about it here 

The game also contains a lot of bugs, as noted here:

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Doom halo (talk • contribs) 07:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The bugs would have to be notable. And you'll need a much better source then a forum thread. Rekija (talk) 05:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

missing dlc cards: random freezing: game breaking glitch:  69.196.129.34 (talk) 23:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree that there should be a mentioning of bugs. While it's a beautiful game there is an emerging pile of evidence that it is technically unpolished. All games have issues, but after years of gaming this is probably in my top 5 list of poorly quality tested. Sources should not be an issue, just go to the Lionhead site. Oligodendrocyte (talk) 13:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Too much info
I reverted edits made by 4.90.63.11 as this is not a game guide. Will someone check that it went okay as it was the first time I have done it. Also I noticed some new edits into the story section, not finished the game yet so didnt want to check, will someone else see if that section is okay too. Thanks. Dark verdant (talk) 08:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not really vandalism, just much too detailed. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 08:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks, changed the title of this section to reflect that.

Regarding Firearms
The article states that firearms are presumed to be in the game. I remember seeing a demonstration video of Fable 2 somewhere (mainly featuring the dog mechanics) and noticed that when the demonstrator talked about how your dog acts differently depending on what weapon you choose, he pulled out a firearm and shot an enemy with it. I'm unable to find the video to cite, but if anyone can find it, they should be able to changed that from 'presumed' to 'confirmed'. Unless, that is, they mysteriously stop using firearms in the game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TriggerOfHel (talk • contribs) 23:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

If there are firearms, I think the dog (over-time) will begin to let you deal with your enemies by yourself. Especially when you are injured, the dog could feel that you could just use the gun to get rid of the bad guys. (If there are guns, fuck 'em.)

Uh... no. Your dog actually does not let you 'deal by yourself' if you use a gun more often. Of that I'm certain. Just cause you don't like guns... sheesh. Anyways, the dog has been shown to attack melee characters when you use a gun, and ranged characters when you use a sword. Simple. Magugag 07:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I saw a trailer on youtube confirming guns, it should be on IGN.com or something, im to lazy and tired to be bothered with it now, but if you want to 'confirm' it then thats where i think you should look.-R.A

There are definately guns. I'm shooting people with a blunderbuss as I type this. 71.138.128.81 (talk)coldbladed —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC).
 * Erm, yes, we've noticed this by now. Jasca Ducato (talk) 17:31, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Characters and Plot Sections
The "characters" section looks a little nasty and poorly done. It may need some pictures. The plot section also needs a little work. I have gone ahead and deleted them for now, if anyone wishes to try and fix them, they may, but keep it low on spoilers because the game just came out. Anonymous reader (talk) 21:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia policy explicitly prohibits removing "spoiler" content. See WP:Spoilers.  Idag (talk) 22:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Regardless of that policy, I virtually cut the whole plot section out, it was simply far too big. It should simply be an overview of the plot, not a blow-by-blow account. --Ged UK (talk) 09:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

A mistake
In the character morphing section it says it list new stuff, but it has slim/fat rich/poor and attrbutes. But those were in fable 1 could someone fix this? and forgive if im wrong about something.


 * I think (though stand to be corrected) that these are definable at the start of the character's life, rather than in Fable 1, where it was a product of the player's actions. So your character can start off as a fat old man, if you want, rather than as a slim teenager as in Fable 1. I think. --Ged UK (talk) 07:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

uh sorry about that mistake60.228.29.155 (talk) 09:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Erm... Sorry but I'm 99.9% sure that you start off as a slim teenager as in the first one. Those are actually character morphs that go on during the game.

81.140.28.233 (talk) 22:08, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You do, that was my point. As I understand it, in Fable 2, you don't, necessarily. --Ged UK (talk) 07:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Well the games out and you start a slim teanager 121.212.139.254 (talk) 04:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Earning money while XBOX is turned off
In the article it states that the player earns money every 5 minutes even while the XBOX is turned off. This is technically incorrect as the amount of money earned while the XBOX is turned off is limited to one hour.

Source: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=927246&topic=46128860&page=1

Coldbladed (talk) 16:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)Coldbladed
 * Need a better source than message boards to add this to the article. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 02:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It does need a better source to be included, but I know from my own experience you certainly don't get gold every 5 minutes for an entire night while it's switched off. But instead of going into too much detail perhaps we exclude the 5 minutes detail all together and just advise that you get some gold while the system is still worked off. With a source ofcourse. I also have a problem with "Additionally, every accessible property (properties that can be entered by the player) in the world is ownable, and ownership often unlocks further quests." I don't know if all of them are ownable but i wouldn't say you get quests from them "often". Rekija (talk) 05:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, even if its not every five minutes, you do earn more gold for longer periods of time. Again, we need a better source than my experience, but this shows that those message boards (or I) may be wrong.  I left my game off for a few hours a few days ago and earn approx. 40000 gold.  Then I left it off for a longer period of time the next day and earned 70000.  Obviously, this shows that it is dependent on the time, but I don't know if it actually is every five minutes or not.  Again, we need a valid source for any of this. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 09:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah based on OR it seems you get the same amount for 5min in game as you get for 1 hour outside of the game. But I don't think we need to mention the length of time at all. Rekija (talk) 23:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Auz, this could simply mean that you are now earning gold at a rate of 70k per hour instead of 40k. Are you sure you didn't acquire new properties or improve existing ones that would explain the increase?
 * Coldbladed (talk)Coldbladed


 * The Limit of one hour is present only when connected to XBOX Live when beginning the game. If you are not connected, there seems to be no limit to the amount that you can receive, as it is still based on the 5 min. rule sans the one hour offline ceiling.Gyrferret (talk) 23:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I did read somewhere that Molyneux said that you do continue to earn when the machine is off, but that the amount earnt per hour decreases on a sliding scale of some sort, so that if you don't play for months you're earning virtually nothing, maybe just one gold per 5 mins. Can't remember where I read that now though. --Ged UK (talk) 08:32, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

as a regard to this instead of earning money every 5 its every hour after one hour —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.218.129.149 (talk) 05:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Technical Issues
I have removed the section on "Bugs" as there were no references added. I also don't like the title or where it was. If someone wants to put it back maybe it should go under a separate section of "Technical Issues" instead of within the game features section, making sure to have reliable references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark verdant (talk • contribs) 11:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely agreed. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 12:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

-- I have removed this again. It has not been cited or quoted by any reliable sources and a forum post by general forum users is not a reliable reference. The7thdr (talk) 12:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I again have removed unreliable references from this section. Both references quote users on the LH messageboard, or unknown users. These are not reliable sources. The last one however, quotes the developers and may meet wiki referencing standards. For this reason I have left it in. I would suggest that anyone wishing to add to this section in future considers wiki's policies on [reliable sources]


 * It would be nice when people edit this entry that they managed to leave a comment here to rationalise that decision. The7thdr (talk) 19:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Archiving
This talk page urgently needs archiving. I will set-up Miszabot to do this automatically. I would suggest a 30 day period, so that any thread not added to 30 days is archived. Please say here if anyone has got a problem with this. Thanks --Ged UK (talk) 08:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed, it is much needed. Dark verdant (talk) 09:39, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree. We should have every thread available for immediate use, no matter HOW log the page takes to load or how hard it is to find any relevant information amongst all the outdated threads.  Plus, we can make it into the Guinness Book of World Records for longest Wikipedia Talk Page.  What was that?  You don't believe me?  OK, fine, I agree... ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 10:26, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank god for the end of that sentence, I was about to go trawling through guidelines on talk pages! --Ged UK (talk) 10:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Occasionally, I feel the need to make my comments more lively. At the least, I'm entertained. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 10:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well it cheered my otherwise boring morning up. Dark verdant (talk) 11:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

✅ There, that's better. --Ged UK (talk) 10:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Story
I added a summary of the story, if someone could clean it up that'd be nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.3.192.123 (talk) 04:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

There's not much story really [find three heros, stop the madman - how do you make a sequel from that?] and there's no much to clean up - nice job. Allen649 (talk) 09:24, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

First Person
Alot of the information included in the article is written in first person, particularly the "Features" section. You can't assume everyone who encounters the article is playing the game or has a character, with this format it really makes the article sound like one long advertisement. Can someone fix this? 74.224.47.223 (talk) 20:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ It's been a regular problem; I thought we'd got it all, but some got missed. I've probably missed some more again. --Ged UK (talk) 20:30, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Sandbox?
Is this game non-linear? (sandbox) Like in the styles of world of warcraft and if so, is it worth noting on the page -Casket56 (talk) 07:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say slightly yes but probably mainly no. You can go off an do what you want, however to unlock more quests you need to progress the story occasionally. Not sure I would class WoW as sand box that much, as you need to gain higher levels to do later quests. Fallout 3/Oblivion I would say are as once you have left the first areas you can go and do what you like. Dark verdant (talk) 11:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * True, I mean I wouldn't exactly have called world of warcraft sandbox, but as you said, im talking about games where you can do whatever you want without being stuck to one mission one trail, I guess it needs more discussion until we can call fable 2 non-linear, lets just leave it then :D Thanks! --Casket56 (talk) 11:40, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Just looked at the wiki page on nonlinear games and I guess Fable does come under sandbox, you can ignore/turn off the objectives and go do what you want. If anyone else agrees then maybe it should be mentioned Dark verdant (talk) 11:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with the slightly yes statement. You can do what you want, but you need to progress with the story in order to go off and do more things. Such as if you refuse to go do the Spire segment, your kid will never grow up. So, while it is possible to go off and do what you will, you don't really have much room to do it in. Also worth noting is that the Prima Official game guide calls the last part of the game, after you beat Lucien, the sandbox portion. I can't remember the page or anything, but it is in there. Fruckert (talk) 20:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Cooperative Play
The article states that cooperative play is possible over system link (ie with two Xbox 360 consoles and two copies of the game) but the Fable 2 game manual makes no mention of this - it only mentions co-op play using Xbox Live or locally on one console.

Also the Wikipedia list of Xbox 360 Games that feature system link play does not include Fable 2 !

If this is in fact possible does anyone know if the limitation as to how far each character can be away from the other one is present in the system link version as well ?

My guess is that since it's there in the Xbox Live version, that the answer is yes.

212.2.170.202 (talk) 16:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Change of to or
Small Typo In Character Morphing Section it says corrupt of pure when it should say corrupt or pure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ginsis (talk • contribs) 23:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

✅ ----Ged UK (talk) 09:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

"numerous amounts of bandits" is poor grammar. It should just read "numerous bandits".

202.36.110.181 (talk) 00:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

silver account ?
"This is the second Xbox Live game to have online play with a silver account"

What is the online play with a silver account ? Not the coop ?DjinnFighter (talk) 19:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Poor Unfortunate Souls
A call-out to Disney's The Little Mermaid, the Orphanage in Wraithmarsh is called Poor Unfortunate Souls, with a caretaker named Ursula. Reaver mentions knowing Ursula, "the woman in charge of the orphange, that Ursula", also in front of the orphange is the battle with a white banshee: Ursula.

If it's true that this was intentional, there needs to be a reference before it can added. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 17:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

But how would it be added? This isn't a game guide so no easter eggs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.78.208 (talk) 02:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If it's sourced, it's fine, easter egg or not. ----Ged UK (talk) 07:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

X-Play game of the Year
X-play has given it their game of the year award, should this be mentioned in the reception category? 76.29.90.129 (talk) 02:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Misinformation
You cannot play online in Fable II with a silver account; people can see your orbs, and give you things, but you are otherwise inable to interact with anybody. You can't see anybody else, or hear anybody Fruckert (talk) 20:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You can see your friends' orbs. Otherwise, you don't see anyone else.Gyrferret (talk) 07:51, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well spoted, perhaps you could edit the article accordingly? The7thdr (talk) 12:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Didn't know about the friends part, seeing as I only have 3 :P. But Seeing people who you already know could hardly constitute as online play, peronally I'd consider that the actual act of playing with people online. I would edit the article to elaborate on that part a little bit, but it's locked for me, could anyone do this? Fruckert (talk) 20:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

one more misinfo about the pub games nothing happens if you had used the pub glitch even after the update.(SATANGODS (talk) 23:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC))
 * How is that misinformation? When did Lionhead release any information that something was supposed to happen after the update? ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 10:24, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

External Link to Knothole Isle DLC Page?
While not completely necessary, it might be beneficial to add the following links to the External Links section. This website from Lionhead contains some more information about the Knothole Island DLC. The page lists many of the DLC's features listed and additionally, pictures to go with it. It also explains some of the background story to the expansion. The link to this not very well known page can be found here: Knothole Island

The Screenshots page on Lionhead also contains 3 more pictures for the upcoming DLC (see the upper left 3 on this site). Fable II - Screenshots —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.172.133 (talk) 15:30, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Here's a reference for the release date of the DLC: http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/12/first-fable-ii.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.33.102.177 (talk) 21:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

The Infobox
What the hell, where the fuck did it go.72.138.216.89 (talk) 13:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's been restored. Please be civil on the talk page, though.  ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 13:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

What this artical should have...
Britsh-English spelling. Only fair?Celtic Muffin&amp;Co. (talk) 17:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't really see the point in changing it just to change it, but if you do change it, change it thoroughly. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 21:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Fable 1 Hero's sister Theresa
Ok in the article it mentions that:


 * "A blind Seeress who the player first meets in Old Town in their youth, she encourages Rose to buy the magic box. It is heavily implied that she is the Theresa from the previous game due to her knowledge of the past of Albion, including the Old Kingdom, her abilities acquired through the Will, her blindness, her casual mention of Oakvale being "Different then when she'd last seen it" when it had been destroyed several hundred years prior to the beginning of the game, and her knowledge of the Oakvale hero. However, it is still not certain whether or not she is the sister of the Oakvale hero."

Well in the Official concept art book that comes with the collectors edition guide book, Art Director, John McCormack quotes:


 * "We used a few hooks and links to the original Fable in the sequel. One of the main ones was the use of Theresa, who was the Hero's blind sister in Fable 1. She is now a strange, ageless, wandering fortune teller in Albion who acts as the player's guide throughout the game... but there's more to her than a simple tutorial, quest giving device... she has secrets and her motives aren't particularly clear."

As of that would that mean the article is wrong? But I want to add by looking at the description of her its written almost like something the developers gave to the media to hype up the game if you know what I mean. Besides that would any editor mind if I change it or does anyone object to this? --҉ რ&#xF755;ɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 02:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The article not necessarily wrong, just based on information from the game, which never specifically said that seeress was the same as the sister. However, if you can cite the book, then you can add the clarification.  I wouldn't object to you adding that it is the same Theresa in both games, but not to claim that it was pure hype.  We can't write that kind of editorial. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 14:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The book is called "Ye' Olde Art Book" in the Fable II Limited Edition Guide Bundle. On Page 10. Picture of the Guide The actual picture of the art book and the page I have to take later seeing there is no pictures on the web about it. Besides that I don't know where to add it in the article seeing most of the info is based off the game's information. --҉ რ&#xF755;ɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 19:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Been added, based on your information. Please double-check the accuracy and edit as needed.  It's in Theresa's description. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 13:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Ill add the pictures online soon just for any future reference. --҉ რ&#xF755;ɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 02:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Teresa similarities to Kreia
I had to note this somewhere. Everyone who has played the rpg Star Wars KOTOR 2. Does Teresa look like the character Kreia? I mean, wow to many similarities. I know they aren't related but that's weird. They both wear hoods. They are both blind. They are both very powerful and the last of a dying warrior. They can both talk to you when you are not near them. Do they have the same voice actress to? I was actually waiting for teresa to attack me at the end of the game. She did sound a bit bad at the end of the game when she says "Be gone, the Spire is mine." It's just a lot of similarities.--VampireKen (talk) 04:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps interesting from a game design standpoint, but not relevant to this article. - Revolving Bugbear  04:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

yeah. it was just a note. does the game take place 500 years after Fable like it's supposed to? or was the 600 years a mistake?VampireKen (talk) 02:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

This isn't a forum.(124.179.43.86 (talk) 07:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC))

I know that. If you didn't notice though there are some references to Disney films in here to though. I'm just saying there are a few other references to other games and films. I usualy acknowledge that this isn't a forum, I just didn't do it this time. I'm also just pointing this out because apparently from what I have heard on a few Fable II discussions is that people are recognizing these similarities. Now unless this becomes a big deal in the media (which it most likely will not.) Let's end this section here. It was just a note.--VampireKen (talk) 19:38, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Bigamy and Polygamy?
Under the family section in the article it says that you can engage in bigamy and polygamy but is that really accurate? Bigamy as with the first game is in included but I've failed to see where polygamy actually comes into play. There is often confusion between polygamy and bigamy and I was curious if that's the case here. Siddhartha21 (talk) 22:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing special happens if you marry more than two people, but since you can marry more than two people at once, that would constitute polygamy. It's just that you can, not that it doesn't anything especially special. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 01:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Being married to different people at once doesn't automatically make it polygamy. If you are married to 2 different people neither of whom know you have another spouse, that is considered bigamy not polygamy. I think it's important to make this distinction and unless there are distinct examples of polygamy not bigamy then I think the references to polygamy should be removed. Siddhartha21 (talk) 21:56, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I see where he is coming from. IF someone has 20-30 spouses under the same roof its polygamy but if you have 2 or more spouses but they did not know about the other and they do live under the same roof then its bigamy. --҉ რ&#xF755;ɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 07:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

False Mentioning
I am not sure it is in the article seeing I sped read it through but should we mention the false advertising Peter Molyneux has described before the release of the game. It was mentioned about in the article of the first game and stuff that was cut out in the last game was to be in this game but most of what he promised was not entirely true (or some). --҉ რ&#xF755;ɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 07:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Be more clear, because "False Mentioning" isn't something that exsists. (124.179.43.86 (talk) 12:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC))


 * There needs to be a source, not just one of the editors going through his interviews and comparing what he said he wanted in the game and what went in the game. And the source needs to be from a news source, not a forum. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 16:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I have not looked at any news sorces yet...but looking at demo videos he showed at E3 some fighting mechanics that he demostrated in the demo never made it in game as of the demo with the dog where it would attack monsters depending on the weapon you choose. I know that is original research BUT using those could lead to some sources we can use. --҉ რ&#xF755;ɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 16:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * We can't use them if we're making the connection. They just can't be put in the article.  It's about verifiability, not truth. ~ Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 17:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I know I know just saying. EDIT: Wow I can't believe articles that actually point these things out are RARE there is SOOO MUCH EVIDENCE from the demos showing what possibly would be in game but was never in the final product like: plant a see and a tree growing concept, dog attacking when choosing a weapon, throwing bottles as weapons, the female hero taking a break from the story while pregnant, using your weapon with the environment, the dog following the ball wherever it goes, buying EVERYTHING in game, seeing your children for a first time from a LONG quest to where they run out and hug you asking you questions and stuff, your dog starting out as a pup and watching it grow and morph to different types dogs determined on your personality, not killing off a bandit settlement and soon coming back seeing it has grown to a village and "HIS" definition of free roaming and there is more that has not come to mind yet. The closest source that barely touches this topic is the Glitch in the Fable II Pub Games and Peter actually saying that there will be in-game penalties for glitching but there was none. GRRRR anywayz I am going to still look sucks that we can't put the videos of him saying these things and proving them wrong using the game as a actual source. --҉ რ&#xF755;ɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 06:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

What starts out in a game will often be left out in the final product. Looking at the demo for halo at E3 and it is nothing like the final product, so its not odd if some things were left out. (58.170.30.15 (talk) 22:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC))

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500 or 600?
I beat the game today. Yesterday when I was going to Bloodstone through the Wraithmarsh I'm sure I heard Theresa say "600 years ago bandits raided Oakvale" or something like that. The game is supposed to take place 500 years after the first game. I thought she said last time I played the game (I'm on my second play) 500 years. I'll play that level again. but not today. Am I the only person who found this? It's right where you find the Oakvale bridge.--VampireKen (talk) 23:09, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't forget that you actually have an age in the first Fable, maybe doing everything there is to do in the first game increases your age to around 100, and you can even get the temple of avo and chapel of skorm to make you younger. This would technically mean that 600 could be correct. Cant say I actually noticed how many years she said though to be honest. Dark verdant (talk) 09:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Knothole Island Info
Is there any more information that we can put up for it? There's next to no info on the "expansion" Also, I noticed that it said you can play in the Island with the free download. You can't. You just get a couple of items then it throws up an advertisement. Fruckert (talk) 20:34, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

gold master
IS this info really needed? (58.107.139.100 (talk) 08:18, 20 January 2009 (UTC))

Im stinky! 69.115.111.224 (talk) 02:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Character Page
I suggest that rather then having the character summarised in a few vauge sentences here, we create a ne page entitled "List of Fable Characters". This page should include information on characters in Fable 2 and Fable 1/Lost Chapters.--Wassup!!- D33 Dee D33 Guy  '''Is the SuperComputer of Code Wiki!!??... R.I.P. Dad 10:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent idea. Given the popularity of the game, I am surprised that this has not been done already to be honest. The7thdr (talk) 23:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

windows version
In an interview with gamespot, peter mole... i dont recall the spelling of his second name.. said he wanted to do a PC version as he felt the mouse & keyboard interface was excellent. Is it verified though? Is a PC version in the making? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahularunmishra (talk • contribs) 11:28, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hope so >=|. -MrGulli (talk) 20:59, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Theyre probably not going to be releasing a version for the PC in the near future. A recent(ish) article explains this . Though this older article said that it was going to be released for the PC last month... which it hasnt been . I am almost certain that they will release a PC version at some point as they'll get a lot of revenue for not much extra effort. Fitz05 (talk) 00:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Sandbox Game?
Under the description window next to the "genre' category, the game is listed as a RPG and Sandbox style. How is this game Sandbox in style, when it is primarily linear in gameplay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommy6860 (talk • contribs) 22:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Because nothing forces you to follow the storyline. Otherwise games like GTA would not be classed as sandbox either as their storylines are linear Sammayel (talk) 23:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Combat Section
Yeah, what is with that? Fix it pleaz someone!69.115.111.224 (talk) 03:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

PC release?
Is there any official statement about whether there will be a PC release or not? 77.47.81.159 (talk) 23:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Fable 1 didn't come for PC right away; they have to dumb the game down a bit since pc's are weaker than consoles for this type of thing. :| we will probably hear about it around a international holiday when they take advantage of a gift giving season —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.42.130 (talk) 08:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * PC's are weaker than consoles? Hmm... Gotta think about that one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahularunmishra (talk • contribs) 09:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really the place for this discussion, you guys. However, PCs are potentially stronger than consoles because they are constantly being upgraded, whereas consoles are stuck how they are forever. That's also a weakness when it comes to games for PCs. It all depends on what you want out of it as to whether a console or a PC is better value for money. Anyway, stop talking about this now, okay? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That, or the money greedin' b*rds that produced this game won't release anything for the PC till we cough up more dough... sounds like something they'd do anyways. Oh yeah, and the PC owns any console out there to date so get out with your theories eh? 83.81.125.101 (talk) 07:50, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

There were some rumours that it would be released for PC in february 2009, but I guess that's old... Anorionil (talk) 07:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Voice Acting

 * Needs a paragrah on voice acting maybe?

probably could be combined with characters Vrinan (talk) 14:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Plot
I think that the plot is a little too detailed. A more basic, outline of the plot would compliment this article more in my opinion. Vrinan (talk) 12:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC) I agree. Could someone rewrite it, perhaps? I have a feeling I would do a bad job at it - Fruckert (talk) 19:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I once made an outline for it back in November or something, but it was quickly edited to this long story. this is Vrinan btw. I'll see what I can do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.237.55.2 (talk) 15:18, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

This looks much better, good job. Fruckert (talk) 17:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

No detail what so ever now it might as well not be there it only describes the intro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.89.192 (talk) 16:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

just because it doesn't explain the whole game doesn't mean it is insufficient. the length of the plot section here is ridiculous. i say a simple synopsis of the game's story background fits much better. 72.237.55.2 (talk) 20:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Another picture
For such a long video game article it would be nice to have a picture besides the main cover. It would make the article look much better - DubaiTerminator
 * Are we allowed to nick stuff from the official site? Because, as an Xbox game, we can't just grab screenshots off of it (at least, not by any method that I know of, but you must be able to what with machinima and all). We'll have to wait for a PC release to do that. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Lengthy Sections
The character and setting sections of this article are very long. Even though I wrote most of the locations, I now feel that a shorter and more concise version would benefit both sections. I am not saying delete the info, rather shorten it to an acceptable length. I would do it myself if my arm wasn't broken. Difficult to type. Vrinan (talk) 20:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that they were/are too long for the main article, however it does seem a shame to lose alot of good information. Perhaps the information should be split off from this page into their own article? (Plot of Fable II, Characters in Fable II and so on). I'm still familiarising myself with what the norm for such situations is on Wikipedia so I would appreciate comments about doing this before any action is taken. Taelus (talk) 21:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * We could consider making a Characters of Fable page if we can come up with enough information to seperate them out, but Plot of Fable II is a no-no. Plot would have to be here. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that combining Characters and Setting, probably under the name setting, into their own page might work well. However, I am not that adept at making new pages, so someone else should do it. Vrinan (talk) 14:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

What about a complete Fable 2 wiki like I've seen for other xbox360 games I've played? My own me (talk) 19:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not contain sub-wiki's, I believe that the only additional pages Fable 2 can be given are ones that allow a lengthy section to be organised in a cleaner way, rather than having one ridiculously long article. So as stated above, characters and setting could get pages. Taelus (talk) 20:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think My own me meant a seperate Wiki like the one for Mass Effect or Halo, or Memories Alpha and Beta for Star Trek. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you Thejadefalcon, that's exactly what I meant. I just have no clue how to start one. My own me (talk) 18:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's the admin of the Mass Effect Wiki, Tullis. Ask her. And oh... she works at BioWare? *must find a way to seduce Mass Effect 2 info from her* --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind. There's already a Fable Wikia. Awesome. I'll add the link to the article if it's not already done. Edit: It's already been done. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I actually feel that maybe we should delete the locations and characters sections. They don't really add to the article. 72.237.55.2 (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Locations, I somewhat agree with you, though I haven't looked at them lately. The characters, though, I don't. Not unless we make a Characters of Fable article anyway. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Entire article addresses reader direct
"You", "you're", "your" should be totally avoided on Wikipedia. Eik Corell (talk) 23:13, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point. Feel free to stick the template onto any articles where you notice this. --McGeddon (talk) 23:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I took a stab at fixing it, but all the while, some other stuff caught my eye, like violations of WP:RS and WP:GAMEGUIDE. What do you think of the latest revision? Eik Corell (talk) 00:05, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

PC version?
Can anyone find some news about a possible PC version (like fable 1) possibly being released? I think this is an important bit of information :o —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.87.87.243 (talk) 16:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Last I heard, they weren't making one for Fable II. This may just have been rumour though. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Limited Edition Section & Development
What happened to the area in the Limited Edition section where it mentions about the first set of items that was included with the LE game but never was released publicly? I think it should be mentioned on here as it was part of the game's development. Speaking of development, I find it kind of weird that this article does not even have a development section on here. At the moment that article looks like it only talks about the game itself but not how it was made.... --҉ რ&#xF755;ɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ 06:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If I get the time, I'll flick through the making of diaries and try to piece something together. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 15:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Spoilers
I see there are some spoilers in the character section. Might want to warn the readers about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.38.132 (talk) 17:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You're on an encyclopaedia. It's Wikipedia's job to explain things. While we do try to limit spoilers, there's usually not much we can to do and searching Wikipedia for something will tend to spoil it. I read Star Trek XI's plot before watching it because I knew it would be on the site. The problem is the same with any encyclopaedia in the world. If you can spot a really major spoiler, then by all means, point it out and we'll see if we can fix it. Otherwise, leave it as is. Besides, after a game or a film or whatever is out for a certain period of time, no-one cares about spoilers. I've seen people complain about The Phantom Menace spoilers, but that's been out for years. BioShock spoilers are also a bit non-spoilerific nowadays. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 15:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You can see Wikipedia's rules on spoilers here: WP:Spoiler. Don't worry, it's just three short paragraphs. :) 15:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What I said, basically. :P -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 16:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Depends what you meant by "major spoiler". We should only remove spoilers if they're in inappropriate sections, or if they aren't actually of any encyclopaedic interest. If a new film had a really, really clever and unexpected twist ending, we should still mention it clearly in the article. --McGeddon (talk) 16:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Citation 16
It's gone all strange in the references section. Any explanation? -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 15:56, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I have fixed the issue. The previous source being used for Citation 16 required you to have an account and log-in to view it, and as such the template used to generate the citation is being considered for deletion at TfD. I have replaced it with a gamefaqs.com list, as this is accepted as a reliable source, does not require users to log in, and infact is more user friendly than the previous citation as it specifically breaks apart the new achievements added into sections. --Taelus (talk) 22:45, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Game of the Year
There is a Fable II Game of the Year edition out. It contains both downloadable contents for Fable II. Should this be mentioned somewhere? Solar Dragon (talk) 16:17, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Any sources? -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 18:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

--Taelus (talk) 19:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. However, the data I found only states it was released in Europe, which I find a little odd. Can anyone clarify this? Either way, the source proves it exists, so I added it into the article. --Taelus (talk) 19:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Fable 3
Since the game has been officially announced today, does anyone else think it's about time the permanent protection on the blank Fable 3 page was removed? GeneralAtrocity (talk) 09:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't say I've ever noticed a Fable III page, but I don't think we have enough information just yet to warrant it's return. Wait until there's more information. We can put Fable III information on this page until then, like Half-Life is doing for Episode Three. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 15:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

There is plenty of information on the upcoming sequel. It can be found on Fable III's page on wikia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.80.75.126 (talk) 03:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

PC version
I've asked this question before and I guess someone didn't like it, but I read a few places that a PC version was being developed a while back. I don't own a 360 but I want to play this game sooo bad. Does anyone have any idea about a PC version or are those of us who are huge fans of Fable just going to have to go without? 70.189.106.136 (talk) 12:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe Molynexux has said that he wants to get one format completely nailed before he thinks about a PC version, but that was a while ago. There have been contradictory reports from lionhead (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/01/27/lionhead-were-not-working-on-fable-2-pc/). It is quite likely, I believe, that microsoft will release a PC version. I doubt that they will want to miss out on an easy opportunity to make more money. The best place to get any new information on the Lionhead stuff is at http://www.loinhead.net/ Fitz05 (talk) 12:32, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I remember answering that question. It's in the archive section (look at the top of the page). I basically said a shorter version of what Fitz05 said: no. And just in case you were curious, no, that Loinhead website wasn't a typo. It's meant to be that way. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 15:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

So, they are releasing Fable 3 on the PC but still no PC version for Fable 2? I'm not exec material I guess, because I cannot understand the infinite wisdom of these companies. 64.207.245.230 (talk) 13:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Free Download
Earlier today Fable 2 was accidently released as 'Free" on the Xbox Live Marketplace. Microsoft is fixing the issue but there are still ways to get it without purchase through the internet. This definitely has to go in the article 67.248.139.156 (talk) 03:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)