Talk:Face of the Screaming Werewolf

Release date
So does Face of the Screaming Werewolf actually state its release date in the book? Or just a year? Looking at the filmography page of the book, it only states a year. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:07, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I namely ask, as this book states its original release date as being in November 1963 in on page 379. (source). Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:16, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

The double feature was released in 1965. There are a few erronoeous sources on the internet that say it's a 1964 film, because Warren created the 2 hybrid films (Face of the Screaming Werewolf and Curse of the Stone Hand) in late 1964 (that's when he did the actual editing, etc.), but the double feature definitely came out in 1965. He may have copyrighted them in '64, maybe that's where the '64 references come from.

But 1963 would be totally erroneous as a release date, because Warren only made the 2 films in 1964, so how could they have been released in 1963? That's just a typo.

Look at the first sentence on pg. 315. It says "...in 1959's Casa del Terror (which became the bastardized "Face of the Screaming Werewolf" five years later.."   There he got it right. Casa del Terror was a 1959 film, and five years later, it was "bastardized" into Jerry Warren's film (he actually did the editing and copyrighting on the film in 1964.)  But it wasn't released with "Stone Hand" until 1965. The author has the right info at the top of pg. 315, but that other 1963 reference was a typo.68.129.15.71 (talk) 17:28, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * How do you know its a typo? The date is quite specific. its not like pressing the wrong number on the keyboard. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, where's your source to when Warren was editing the film? It does not seem to add up as its not in the article. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:45, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't have a date when he edited it, but almost every source says the film was released with "Stone Hand" in '65, except a few uneliable sources that listed it as a 1964 film. I think they did that because the film may have a 1964 copyright, and they assumed it was released in '64. But every source says it was released with "Stone Hand" and "Stone Hand" was released in '65. (Either way, '63 is not even in the ballpark!) Look at the first sentence on pg. 315 on the photostats you sent me. It says "...in 1959's Casa del Terror (which became the bastardized "Face of the Screaming Werewolf" five years later..")68.129.15.71 (talk) 17:49, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Look on pg. 85 of the material you sent me. It clearly lists "Screaming Werewolf" as 1964. That book is all over the place!68.129.15.71 (talk) 17:53, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * First of all, do not claim things "Warren created the 2 hybrid films (Face of the Screaming Werewolf and Curse of the Stone Hand) in late 1964 (that's when he did the actual editing, etc.)" if you can not back this up. Its edits like these despite being done in good faith, are not really acceptable. Don't assume film history if you have nothing to back it up with. Secondly, I've looked at that page in the Werewolf filmography and am not really finding this release date. If you want me to look at things, You can link it to show me. Its not really clear what the situation is here. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

It's on pg. 85 on the material you sent me. There's a heading for "Face of the Screaming Werewolf" on pg. 85, and it has the two dates right after the title. It says 1959 (1964). It's the first bit of info after the "Screaming Werewolf" chapter title. It refers to Casa del Terror as being 1959 and "Screaming Werewolf" as 1964. Once again though, I think they mean Warren edited and copyrighted the film in '64, but it was only released in '65. I didn't state in the article when Warren edited the films, I'm just saying to you that he "probably" edited and copyrighted them in '64. That's why some sources state 1964, and the other 90% state 1965. I wouldn't put when he edited the films in the article, I'm just telling you thats why I think some sources say 1964, and the others all say 1965.

But look at pg. 85 of the material you sent me. Right under the title "Screaming Werewolf", it lists "1959 (1964)". That 1963 date on the other page he probably confused with when Warren released his "Attack of the Mayan Mummy" (that came outr in 1963.)68.129.15.71 (talk) 18:06, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I saw that page. There is no indication in that book what those years stand for, so we can't assume its a release date because the book doesn't state this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:10, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Look at the first sentence on pg. 315 on the photostats you sent me. It says "...in 1959's Casa del Terror (which became the bastardized "Face of the Screaming Werewolf" five years later.."). That's 2 references to 1964 in the material you sent me. Regarding the 1963 reference, he probably just confused the date with the 1963 release date of Warren's "Mayan Mummy"(which the author also discusses), that was released in '63.68.129.15.71 (talk) 18:15, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * "becoming" another film does not mean it was released then. Like, he may be mixing it up, but how do you know for sure? Your other sources are less specific, so I'm somewhat troubled by it. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:18, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

You don't think it's odd that in his own book, on 2 different pages, he specifically states (1964) as the film's date, but on the other page he says the film was released in 1963? So he's saying Warren released the film a year BEFORE he made it? There are 2 references to 1964 in the same book, but if you want to change the date to 1963, I am certainly not going to edit-war over it. You've got me in enough trouble already.68.129.15.71 (talk) 19:24, 26 June 2018 (UTC) The thing is I don't know which is correct and which is wrong. I don't have more concrete information relating to it. And for the same reason, neither do you. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:35, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Well every source I've seen yet says SCREAMING WEREWOLF was released on a double bill with STONE HAND, and STONE HAND is listed on every source I have come across as released in 1965. And the sources all say Warren released the 2 films together.68.129.15.71 (talk) 20:30, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

The Walt Lee reference book lists as his source an article on the double feature in Box Office magazine, their June 21, 1965 issue. Both films were reviewed in the same article together.68.129.15.71 (talk) 23:19, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * What are these sources? You've shown me a few books with little proof outside a year. I'll ask you again. I won't question your competency if you can answer it. Have you read, and understood MOS:FILM when it comes to films release dates? Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:21, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm also not disagreeing that it was released as a double feature. Many films of the past were released as double bills, but there is nothing suggesting that 1963 year is wrong. It could have first been shown in that year, then shown years later as a double feature. Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:40, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I read the MOS FILM pages, and I see you're right on just about everything you told me. Not to use imdb except as an external link. To go by the first theatrical release date of a film, and all of the other rules you showed me. Of course, I will abide by them. My main disagreement with the release date thing is in the case of European films, where the films are distributed sometime five YEARS after they are made, makes it impossible to list a director's films in chronological order. They're used to American films that are released the same year they are made. But the rules are the rules, so I guess Casa del terror will go down eventually as a 1960 film instead of 1959, since Walt Lee says it was releasd in 1960.

By the way, I saw this in the Rules pages you sent me. "You do not need to read any rules before contributing to Wikipedia. If you do what seems sensible, it will usually be right, and if it's not right, don't worry. Even the worst mistakes are easy to correct: older versions of a page remain in the revision history and can be restored. If we disagree with your changes, we'll talk about it thoughtfully and politely, and we'll figure out what to do. So don't worry. Be bold, and enjoy helping to build this free encyclopedia." I hope that's really the attitude here. Recent events have kept me from being too bold in my editing.68.129.15.71 (talk) 20:03, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Anyone is free to edit wikipedia. This includes removing edits that do not fall under out guidelines. I'm glad you (finally?) read MOS:FILM. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:13, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


 * What is your source for the year 1963?

Follow-up
By adding other sources here its not really making it clear what the release date is. You've listed several years above, but just tossing on additional sources is not a real way to clarify. What makes one source more valid than another ? Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:50, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * As there has been no follow-up on this, I'm removing the year of release as it is not clear. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:15, 20 February 2020 (UTC)