Talk:Face transplant

Once upon a time in Mexico
I know this is trivial, but I believe in Once Upon a Time in Mexico the villain, played by William Dafoe does not receive a face transplant. Rather, the young man recruited for surgery is meant to be found dead on the operating table so that no one believes Dafoe's character is still alive. Though he is in bandages later, it is never differentiated between a 'face transplant' and typical plastic surgery. --ScottieB 22:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
This part is obviusly false but I cannot delete it.

"Scientists have been carrying out face transplants since the days of cavemen. The first successful face transplant was carried out by Dr. Ogg two hundred thousand years ago. His patient's face had been bitten by a Tyranosaurus Rex multiple times and was bleeding profusely before Ogg managed to quell the bleeding and attach skin from the patient's buttox to his cheeks, nose, and eyes. The patient died from lack of oxygen shortly after."

I just did!

Copied from User:Montrealais talk page
Please provide a source for your addition of "The operation was successful and the child avoided disfigurement other than scarring around the perimeter where the facial skin was sutured back on." to Face transplant. I couldn't find a second source for what the Gardian said and was wondering if it was real at all. Thank you. WAS 4.250 03:34, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I heard about it when the story first broke, and I did some googling. I turned up a photo essay I had seen back then (in Discover 's website, I believe), but unfortunately it had been taken down. But I did see the photo back then and it did show this fortunate young woman with her face on properly. - Montréalais 12:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Possibly you could try the The Wayback Machine if you have the specific URL?


 * Uhh.. I think the wayback machine hasn't been growing since '03, presumably for lack of funds/volunteers, or a change in priorities. (Other parts of archive.org keep growing.)  I haven't seen it archive any web sites recently.


 * For a second source see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-1899421,00.html

China first Face transplant:
On this page there is the link: But we do not speak about that in the article... Either we should, either we should delete the link Froggy helps ;-) 03:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Xinhua News - China's First Face Transplant

Removed text

 * "Scientists elsewhere have performed scalp and ear transplants. However, the claim is the first for a mouth and nose transplant. Experts say the mouth and nose are the most difficult parts of the face to transplant."

I removed this text, which was inappropriately quoted without giving the context. --Dforest 16:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Popular Culture Dispute
With regards to this line in Popular Culture:

''2005: Facial transplant surgery was featured in a 2005 episode of Nip/Tuck. The patient's body rejected the face, and it had to be removed''

I have seen every episode of Nip/Tuck, and am familiar with this episode. What really happened is that the surgery was successful, however the patient's face was burned while he was in prison. It was never rejected. I will wait a few days for input on this, however, in a few days if there is no input I will remove the last part of the sentence that states that the face was rejected/removed. -- s u m n j i m  talk with me·changes 18:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Since no reponse in 5 days I went ahead and removed the reference stating that the patient's face was rejected/removed. -- s u m n j i m  talk with me·changes 20:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Russian Case
I heard about a similar procedure on Guinness World Records TV a few years ago. A Russian forest ranger had most of his face bitten off by a grizzly bear in 1992, and was left with only his left eye and mouth. Doctors performed groundbreaking surgery on him in Switzerland in 1996, taking an eye, nose and other facial features from a donor and grafting them onto his face. It was on Guinness TV because it held the record for the most extensive reconstructive cranio-facial surgery, although this may have changed since. Does anyone have any more information/sources for this case? Thomasiscool 14:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyrighted Text
"We need the face to face the world," said lead surgeon and researcher Maria Siemionow of the Cleveland Clinic....

This whole section is cut and paste directly from this copyrighted article: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hDIQ9nmqdWJ7rLh9GmP6qP-Fvo0A

Recent Development
Could someone with a bit more tech expierience look at the following link? looks to be worth a paragraph or two?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0507/1224246057154.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.239.7.2 (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

No!!! Really?!?!?

 * "Facial movements are controlled by the brain, so the personality as expressed by the face remains that of the patient."

Is this blindingly obvious declaration really necessary? -70.251.123.92 (talk) 22:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Reference #4
This appears to be a transcription of an e-mail containing a news story from an unmentioned source. I found the same article at the The_Independant's website :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/face-transplant-extends-the-boundaries-of-surgery-1240703.html Should I replace? Are0z0ne (talk) 03:45, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Error
''' It was not Prof Dubernard from Lyon, but Prof Bernard Duvauchelle, a maxillo-facial and micro-surgeon from Amiens, who endeavoured the first facial transplantation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.242.127 (talk) 05:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Spain first face transplant
can someone add the spanish case please, I would but I suck at english. here are links with information:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gkamS3xrjy8ZD9AplZn98lAe9HzQ http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_22762.shtml

Thank U! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.155.166.42 (talk) 18:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Coler
'''Why is the story of Pascal Coler in the "US Partial Face transplant" section, since it is 1) a full face transplant, 2) done in France? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.114.236 (talk) 15:51, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Donor face not explained in article
I dont see anything about the donor face. Who donates it, where does it come from. because i am sure in the full case it just doesnt fall out of the sky.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 09:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Experimental Face Transplant
There ware several immunological and technical aspects limiting the use of face transplants. Some experimental models in animals were designed and tested. The world's first experimental face transplant in dogs was performed in Colombia by Dr. Bermúdez in 2001, followed by extensive research in rats in Cleveland, by Dr. Siemionow's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ciruestetic (talk • contribs) 11:29, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

"First Full-Face Transplant"
This needs to be made clear-- there's at least two "first" full-face transplants accounted for. There should be a defined, researched, and referenced definite "first" full-face transplant if there was indeed a "first." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.109.59.251 (talk) 21:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

"US Bias"
Why is there a separate section for the US? Totatlly unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.191.186.127 (talk) 11:54, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

In_the_United_States?
The second paragraph in this section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_transplant#In_the_United_States is about the UK.

I think "&hellip; carry out the face transplant" should be "&hellip; carry out face transplants".

Also, the future tense in the second sentence doesn&rsquo;t tally with the past of the first, now that we are 4½ years later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ζετα ζ (talk • contribs) 00:14, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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Why is this organized by country?
… and, even if there is some reason for doing that, why are some countries listed multiple times (France), and others listed with no content (Spain), why are they in apparently random order? And why are the country headings apparently at the same level as the full/partial headings instead of being subheadings underneath?

While we're at it, shouldn't the part about Dr. Butler first suggesting the possibility in Lancet in 2002 be part of the history section, rather than where it is? --157.131.170.189 (talk) 22:58, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I started editing the page to put the events in chronological order, and to move stories about partial face transplants that were in th full transplant section to the partial… but looking at them a little more careful: do these stories need to be here at all? What's encyclopedic about being the first doctor to perform a procedure in Turkey, or the second patient in the US to receive it?

I think the page needs to be stripped down, not just reordered. Since this is a more radical change, I'm going to propose it here instead of just doing it.

Here's an outline for the proposed new History section:


 * Face replant section:
 * Entire section as-is


 * Partial section:
 * Paragraph on Dr. Butler's 2002 article (moved from middle of a paragraph in Beneficiaries) as-is
 * 27 Nov 2005, Isabelle Dinoire, as-is
 * Apr 2006 Li Guoxing, 2007 unnamed Frenchman, 2008 Pascal Coler, 2008 Connie Culp, 2009 Jim Maki: Reduced to 1 sentence each
 * 17 March 2012 Hatice Nergis, rewritten to focus on it being the first "3D" transplant, which is what makes it notable and relevant
 * Later transplants (the first Canadian, first Italian, etc.) all seem irrelevant and can be scrapped


 * Full section:
 * 20 March 2010 unnamed Spaniard, as-is
 * 8 July 2010, unnamed Frenchwoman, as-is
 * March 2011 Dallas Wiens, April 2011 Mitch Hunter, 21 January 2012 Ahmet Kaya, (maybe) 4 May 2017 Katie Stubblefield, edited down into a single paragraph mentioning what's notable about each one
 * All the rest seem non-notable and can be scrapped

Nothing major that would be lost by trimming this way. However, as written, it is sort of possible to infer the current status (practical and legal) in a few countries. If that information is actually useful, it shouldn't be in History, but in a separate section.

Most of the external links are unnecessary—and many of them are already references.

Finally, this article is in the category "French inventions". According to the article body, the idea came from an English doctor, the first partial transplant was done by a French team, and the first full transplant was done by a Spanish team. So, is it also an English invention, or a Spanish one? Or maybe that isn't a judgment Wikipedia should be making in the first place, so the category should be removed? --157.131.170.189 (talk) 23:28, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for the double-edit; I got the formatting wrong the first time… --157.131.170.189 (talk) 23:31, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

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